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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/1/2009 9:47:37 PM

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When will you neo-cons take responsibility for adding millions to the government rolls.......?

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/3/2009 5:20:18 PM

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The biggest concern about Specter's migration is, or should be, the paradigm shift in Congress.
I awoke with a terrible dread that Kanye West would become the next Supreme Court Justice.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/3/2009 7:58:05 PM

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Well, Kanye West is one of Barack`s favorite artists.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/3/2009 10:28:33 PM

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Sheesh. Everyone's missing the point.

Specter will not vote straight party line. There's a fair chance that none of his positions will change! That is NOT the point.

The REAL point is that he needed to switch parties to get reelected. If Republicans feel they're unelectable, THAT's a real problem for the GOP.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/3/2009 10:55:09 PM

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Sheesh. Everyone's missing the point.

Specter will not vote straight party line. There's a fair chance that none of his positions will change! That is NOT the point.

The REAL point is that he needed to switch parties to get reelected. If Republicans feel they're unelectable, THAT's a real problem for the GOP.

Exactly. And even more important, the fact that other veteran Republicans are openly saying he has a good point. It's not so much what he did, it's why he did what he did. That's the ball upon which to keep our eye.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 3:44:26 AM

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I predict that the odds are, in the next mid-term elections, that Republicans will have a net gain in seats in Congress.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 4:26:02 AM

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Oh really,why is that?

Do you also predict mass amnesia?

Cuz that`s the only way.

Added: Well there is another way.A much anticipated (and much hoped for, by bushies)attack on America from terrorists.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 4:42:15 AM

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It would be the first time in awhile that mid term elections didn't turn against the Presidential party so, I think that Frim's prediction isn't exactly earth shattering...although
unless the Democrats in Congress somehow step on themselves I can't see it happening. When only 29% of the population sees themselves as Republican, and there is no real leadership inside of the party I'd find it hard to believe they could recover so quickly. Thr Republicans have a ways to go with out Democratic help, and as things stand I see no ground swell of support building now, a major blunder by the Democratic Congress could provide the impetus. In the recent past this is strange territory for the Republicans but familiar ground for the Democrats....

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 5:57:54 AM

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Mark, actually, in 2002, Bush's administration engaged in unprecedented politicking to expand the GOP presence in Congress and the Senate, and it worked, even ousting Daschle.

Firm, Rove had set the standard of how a campaign should be run before Obama's organization blew it out of the water. Surprisingly, Rove took a back seat in 2008. I see no reason why the Obama organization would not train Dems in how to run a campaign, especially regarding mobilizing and registering your base, fundraising, and social media. I think that Rove would rather be known as the genius who got Bush elected and reelected than have to go up against the Dems' new muscle and likely finish second best, plus I think he enjoys his senior statesman status. In other words, I don't expect him to lend a hand in 2010, and without him, the GOP organization will be weak.

The GOP has several very real issues:

1. Obama's policies are diffcult to attack if they are perceived as his best efforts to fix a Bush-created mess. That rules out Iraq, Afghanistan, and the economy.

2. The GOP must be very careful about using any lines that sound like Bush. That rules out tax cuts, accusations of being soft on terror, etc.

3. The GOP needs to develop a coherent platform instead of simply let individual personalities rise to the top and try to adopt what they want. Meghan McCain is trying to appeal to moderates. Limbaugh is trying to preserve the idoelogical purity of the right wing branch. Some are advocating fiscal discipline. Some are pushing social issues.

Obama was able to win with a vague but positive message and the public's disgust with Bush. The GOP will need to do better than that unless Obama stumbles very badly.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 6:06:07 AM

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I usually don't agree with PAHunk, but his comments on Arlan Spector are right on.He won't win in 2010..

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 8:05:50 AM

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I predict that the odds are, in the next mid-term elections, that Republicans will have a net gain in seats in Congress.

Firm

....agreed. Although you and i may disagree as to why. There's always a minor backlash effect against the status quo in such elections. The GOP would have to actively do something terrible in order to prevent such a backlash, which would be hard given their current weakness.
It's not really a question of whether or not the GOP will pick up seats, more a question of how many.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 8:09:54 AM

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2. The GOP must be very careful about using any lines that sound like Bush. That rules out tax cuts, accusations of being soft on terror, etc.

Which is exactly the kind of crap they've been trotting out since Obama was elected.

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3. The GOP needs to develop a coherent platform instead of simply let individual personalities rise to the top and try to adopt what they want.

Six months after the election, still hasn't happened.

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Obama was able to win with a vague but positive message and the public's disgust with Bush. The GOP will need to do better than that unless Obama stumbles very badly.

See #1 above.

They have no message.

Epic fail.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 9:46:20 AM

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Sheesh. Everyone's missing the point.

Specter will not vote straight party line. There's a fair chance that none of his positions will change! That is NOT the point.

The REAL point is that he needed to switch parties to get reelected. If Republicans feel they're unelectable, THAT's a real problem for the GOP.

DS, that's true, it's not about "party" or what his "constituents" want him to do it's all about SPECTER getting "re-elected."
I hope the good people of Penn. hand him his walking papers. It's very clear that like Kennedy or Bird he stopped listening to his constituents long ago.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 10:04:54 AM

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Sheesh. Everyone's missing the point.

Specter will not vote straight party line. There's a fair chance that none of his positions will change! That is NOT the point.

The REAL point is that he needed to switch parties to get reelected. If Republicans feel they're unelectable, THAT's a real problem for the GOP.

DS, that's true, it's not about "party" or what his "constituents" want him to do it's all about SPECTER getting "re-elected."
I hope the good people of Penn. hand him his walking papers. It's very clear that like Kennedy or Bird he stopped listening to his constituents long ago.

What makes you think his constituents want him to remain in the GOP?

Clearly the good people of Penn. are more Democratic than Republican.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 10:56:38 AM

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Cagey, do you really think that someone who'll be 80 years old should be "running for office?"
Especially when they think that the seat is "theirs" Republican or Democrat or any other party?

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 12:09:55 PM

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Cagey, do you really think that someone who'll be 80 years old should be "running for office?"

If it's Congress, and if they're lucid, sure.

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Especially when they think that the seat is "theirs" Republican or Democrat or any other party?

His thoughts of entitlement are irrelevant.

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 4:33:04 PM

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And one of Specter's first acts is to blame the GOP for Kemp's death...at least he didn't directly blame Bush... He REALLY is a Democrat(again.)

He got out just in time to avoid taking part of the blame for Kemp's death...got there by just a couple days...Of course, for the past 43 years, he was a part of the party that "killed" Jack Kemp...

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 5:18:54 PM

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Ha, wouldn't it be funny if Bush jumped ship and became a Democrat too.
He's got the "spending" part down pat!

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 5:22:06 PM

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I saw that message scroll by and knew it had to be Popeye making the statement!

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RE: Sen. Arlen Specter Switches Parties - Becomes Democrat - 5/4/2009 6:22:20 PM

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And one of Specter's first acts is to blame the GOP for Kemp's death...

"Blamed the GOP"? Such spin. What he actually said that was he thought Jack Kemp would be alive today if Congress had done a better job funding cancer research.

Funny, doesn't sound quite so outrageous that way, now does it?

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