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ORIGINAL: ElectraGlide

I like the death penalty. It gets rid of pieces of garbage that have no respect for society. If anyone disagrees with me, please put yourself or your family as the next victim of a nut case that has no respect for your life.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

using FR

I must agree with some of the objections raised here. Now I am going to sound like I am arguing against myself but I do try to see other sides of issues. Getting rid of the ingrained abhorrence of the death penalty in many people is the original issue. I still believe that we should not be afraid to use it. However leaving it it the hands of government is not acceptable at this time. There would have to be a slightly different procedure for a capital crime, which actually would only be a potentially capital crime until all the evidence is in.

This would mean fully informed juries, an issue which does crop up from time to time, rules of evidence and discovery, which are disregarded by prosecutors all the time in the US. A trial for a potentially capital crime should be held to a higher standard. But then who is to determine what those standards might be ? I do share those concerns.

Somewhere it has been brought up about the costs, even now of all this appeals process and all that generaly related to capital cases. These people should be on salary, which means it doesn't cost anything. These people get paid whether in court or sitting their with their thumb up their dupa. There are many aspects to this.

Actually I don't think that a jury by itself should be able to order the death penalty, at the very least it should be an agreement between the judge and jury in the penalty phase. Perhaps even a panel, which would at least make recommendations, but then who shall seat this panel ? What would be the requirements to sit as a member ?

Very valid points I agree, but among them is NOT "we are civilised we don't do that". Allowing the uncivilized to roam among us and prey on us and our young ones is not a mark of a greater civilisation, it is the mark of a misguided one. Again, I believe religion is part of the problem, by providing a crutch for peole who can';t think an issue through completely. So part of the blame belongs with the slothly thinking of the populace.

That is what I was talking about, taking care of business, the most important business. It is not for pleasure nor revenge that we are forces to kill. It is for our betterment and that of our progeny. It is for their advancement, so that their lives can be more open, less scrutinized, and most importantly, less in jeopardy.

Controlling weapons does not work. Long periods of incarceration do not work. Stop trying what doesn't work and move on to find something that does. You see the trend, it matters not how many cameras are out there, prevention is not possible. Incarceration is for thieves and the like, yes, something must be done. Of course there is no way to eliminate jails.

Sometimes you simply have to look out for number one first, otherwise there will be noone to look out for number two.

T

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ORIGINAL: ElectraGlide

I like the death penalty. It gets rid of pieces of garbage that have no respect for society. If anyone disagrees with me, please put yourself or your family as the next victim of a nut case that has no respect for your life.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: stella41b
Consider that most killers decided that their victims were a menace and that they are not fit to live in society.

            Actually, Stella, unless there has been a change I missed, "he needed killing" is still an accepted defense in murder cases in some states.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

If convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison without parole, I say 'fry 'em'! Why should they be a burden to the taxpayers?

This isn't a valid argument because it costs more to "fry 'em!" than to imprison them for life. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

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ORIGINAL: Raechard
Do you care that predators are preying on one another in a prison environment? I'd take no pleasure in that reality but it's the best solution to the problem

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Wow, you`re such a brave tough guy....

The same government you conservatives deride as so imperfect ,all of a sudden is competent and capable of getting the guy who did it....

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
    LOL.  Because when you are seconds from death by tiger, animal control is only 45 minutes away.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

"but an armed citizen in the vicinity stands a much better chance of "taking out the garbage".


As well,a much better chance of shooting yourself or a loved one in your family by accident.

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

Since 1976 over 130 condemned prisoners have been released from Death Row having been found to be innocent, others have had their sentences commuted to life in prison and there have been about 35 or so instances where someone was executed where there were some serious doubts as to their guilt.

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ORIGINAL: Jacinthe's

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ORIGINAL: Owner

"but an armed citizen in the vicinity stands a much better chance of "taking out the garbage".


As well,a much better chance of shooting yourself or a loved one in your family by accident.

not even sure that was to me-lol-but....

I'm an expert shot....if i was to pull a gun out, id be damn sure i was gonna be able to hit what i was shooting for immediately.

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ORIGINAL: samboct

SNIP
Do you people arguing for the death penalty have any first hand experience of how the system works or is it all based on TV and movies?


Sam

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Actually, Stella, unless there has been a change I missed, "he needed killing" is still an accepted defense in murder cases in some states.

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ORIGINAL: LadyMerrisa
Yes, I can't empathise with guys, who are able to watch and gloat over their victims bleeding out and dying in pain. How can this sort of things arouse empathy?

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And in relation to idea of learning from this people, psychiatrist are still doing researches in case to find out, what's wrong with them, and what kind of brain malfunctions leads to such deviations. Some results of this research indicate, that areas of the brain responsible for a normal reactions on other persons' suffering, are somehow shut down and unable to function within nervous system of an aggressive sociopaths. And that's probably why people commiting this type of crimes, aren't consider their actions wrong. And of yet, medicine can't just "reboot" serial killers' brain, and make it work properly. We are also very far from ability to prevent those changes, cause there are too many factors affecting its developement, to controll them all and even estimate, which one of them is the most important. Maybe one day, it will become possible and we will be able to fix these people, not punish them, for what they've did. But I don't think, if it will happen in the nearest future ;-)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

People keeping posting the 130+ as found innocent, when in fact only 32 of them were exonerated of the crime. The others either got off on legal loopholes and were not retried on the same charge, or prosecutors decided to not retry them. Only those exonerated would be actually innocent, meaning they actually were in no way involved. The others were kicked back for various other reasons, and may or may not have been involved. In many of those instances those inmates were not released as they were also found guilty of other charges related to the crime (this being one of the reasons stated by some prosecutors as why they did not retry the case).