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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 7:41:05 PM

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Being the party of division and fear will no longer be enough.The electorate has changed too much.....for the Republicans there is really only one choice here....they must reach out to segments of that electorate that they have ,up to now, ignored.Once they do that...there fringe element will as a consequence abandon them...and they can stop pandering to this element ....viola...they are once again a mainstream political party.

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 7:56:22 PM

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     Anyway, now that I've sent my slave off to the store with clamps all over her tender bits, back to discussing the GOP comeback...

    The Democrat Party is now squarely in charge. The honeymoon is over. President Obama really didn't win by all that much. If the middle starts getting buyers remorse, the Repubs are going to scoop them back up.

Perhaps,if you party didn`t kill the economy and 42 hundred GIs....

But your party did kill the economy.And 42 hundred GIs...

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:00:30 PM

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You seem to have snarky covered pretty well here Marc...I'll just leave you to it.

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:14:40 PM

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The auto companies, teetering on the edge after decades of mis-management, are being retooled to become more competative. No major numbers of blue collar jobs are lost.

Mars, you want to know what's even more remarkable? I don't know if you missed it, but take a look at who is supporting Obama's aggressive new fuel efficiency standards. Check out this quote, regarding some of the people who attended the announcement today to show their support for his initiatives -

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“It launches a new beginning,” said David McCurdy, president of the Alliance of Automobile Manufactuers in a statement. “The president has succeeded in bringing three regulatory bodies, 15 states, a dozen automakers and many environmental groups to the table.” The Washington-based alliance represents 11 carmakers, including GM, Chrysler LLC, Ford Motor Co. and Toyota Motor Corp. Other CEOs attending today’s White House announcement are Chrysler LLC’s Bob Nardelli, Ford Motor Co.’s Alan Mulally and Daimler AG’s Dieter Zetsche. United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger will also be there, according to a White House statement.

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For all you Republicans out there who are bellowing about how how Obama is destroying the economy by undermining American business, what that article says is that the auto companies and the autoworkers unions are supporting his fuel efficiency standards. Last week, when the House Energy Commerce Committee wrote an energy bill restricting carbon emissions, who supported it? The utility industry. Earlier in the week, the pharmaceutical industry and the health insurance industry appeared with the President to announce their commitment to joining with Obama in reducing medical costs.

The man is winning over the American businesspeople who just a few months ago spit on their hands and crossed themselves at the mention of his name, and instead of aligining themselves with their traditional ideological allies, the Republican Party, and opposing him, they are publicly pledging their commitment to working with him. He's persuading people who considered themselves his ideological enemies that he is a man they can do business with.

Are you guys noticing this? Do you realize what this means? These may not be the headlines, but this is the real story of what he's accomplishing these past few weeks. Watch this space over the next month. I think something's happening here.

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:19:51 PM

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I would prefer to attract a constituency ,rather than trying to gather more dissafected to my shrinking tent.

   LOL! Where do figure Pres.Obama got the votes that elected him, Mike? He ran on a promise of "Change." What is that but an appeal to the disaffected?

     Where will the buyer's remorse come from? Some of it will simply be organic, the nature of our society and culture, more could easily come from the long-term unemployed (has anybody checked if more Americans have lost their jobs in the last four months, than at any other time in our history?). The Repubs can do much to stir the pot.

     Mike, we are speaking of the voters who go with the tall one. Fickle, finicky and often dumb. Just involved enough in the process to be dangerous. He isn't going to walk on water forever, and the folks who lost their damn house anyway might get testy and vocal.



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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:23:13 PM

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Could someone please show me a link..... reputable please where the GOP/repubs/rightwingers/conservatives have apologised for anything???.....

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I assume that their apologies to Rush don't count?

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:26:04 PM

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Rich the "change" he offered was one of substance in addition to one of style.Both were sorely needed ,the Democratic Party is seen as ,for better or worse,as the party of ideas.While the perception of the Republican Party at this point in time is one of obstructionism and nothing more...they are offering no alternatives....certainly not valid or new alternatives.

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:31:52 PM

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For all you Republicans out there who are bellowing about how how Obama is destroying the economy by undermining American business, what that article says is that the auto companies and the autoworkers unions are supporting his fuel efficiency standards.

The unions, and the companies he just gave billions of hard-earned tax dollars to, are supporting his proposal, so it must be a good thing? Is that what they mean by "the Chicago Way?"

I certainly hope Congress kills these new mileage requirements.

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:33:02 PM

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For all you Republicans out there who are bellowing about how how Obama is destroying the economy by undermining American business, what that article says is that the auto companies and the autoworkers unions are supporting his fuel efficiency standards.

The unions, and the companies he just gave billions of hard-earned tax dollars to, are supporting his proposal, so it must be a good thing? Is that what they mean by "the Chicago Way?"

I certainly hope Congress kills these new mileage requirements.

Why would they?

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:41:42 PM

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Why would they?

Wait and watch, Panda. They are already admitting the average additional cost is going to be $1300 per vehicle.

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:43:59 PM

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The strategy is not to make the GOP look better,but to make everything else, worse....

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:45:37 PM

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Which,in a short period of 4 years,at present fuel prices you would make back.Since history tells us fuel prices are unlkikely to stay at their present level.....the recouping of the $1,300. won't take even that long.

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:47:27 PM

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Why would they?

Wait and watch, Panda. They are already admitting the average additional cost is going to be $1300 per vehicle.

Cost of doing business. Welcome to the future.

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 8:54:54 PM

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You know Panda,Rich has given us an actual real life glimpse at current Republican strategy.At this point in time the only thing they have to offer is criticism...and this will be a hot button issue come the mid terms...."Obama is taking away our Lincoln's( earily similiar to the he's taking away our gun's issue)

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/19/2009 10:34:16 PM

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this will be a hot button issue come the mid terms...."Obama is taking away our Lincoln's( earily similiar to the he's taking away our gun's issue)

I'm betting the line will be, "Obama promised us change. I have 57 cents left in my checking account."

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/20/2009 3:58:04 AM

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Could someone please show me a link..... reputable please where the GOP/repubs/rightwingers/conservatives have apologised for anything???.....

Lucy

I assume that their apologies to Rush don't count?

LOL Steven kiss assing their own "leader" doesn't count, well at least to me.
Technically, it should I know , but not for this question.
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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/20/2009 4:19:11 AM

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Being the party of division and fear will no longer be enough.The electorate has changed too much.....for the Republicans there is really only one choice here....they must reach out to segments of that electorate that they have ,up to now, ignored.

And yet every sign so far is the GOP instead trotting out the same tired ideas, appealing to their FoxNews-devoted base, and losing even more voters.

Count on even more GOP losses in 2010. They have no rudder, no vision. Steele is embarrassing and pathetic. No wonder they're taking the pursestrings away from him.

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/20/2009 5:25:55 AM

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Hummm.. I could buy a vehicle as they are built today, with about 28 miles to the gallon... or I could finance an additional $1300, and get a vehicle that gets almost twice that MPG, in a world where gas will quickly become $4.00 a gallon again... (which means that after the first year and a half, I've earned that $1300 back, in gas savings, assuming one tankful a week, + or - $300, not to mention any incentive tax breaks for buying a new fuel efficient vehicle.)

Which to buy? Which to buy?

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/20/2009 5:46:26 AM

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Does anyone really believe that in 2016 that these vehicles will cost only $1300 more ? If you do I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you...

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RE: Steele says GOP comeback has started - 5/20/2009 7:00:50 AM

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The unions in Wisconsin, especially the UAW, are not happy with Obama. A Chrysler engine plant in Kenosha that employs 800 workers is closing. Tax payer 'stimulus' money is being used to build a new plant in Mexico. He did promise millions of new jobs, he just didn't say where the jobs would be..

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