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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/29/2009 9:36:05 PM   
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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/29/2009 9:50:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apologies if this was covered earlier, but have we established what, if anything the relationship is between Judge Sotomayor and La Raza?

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/29/2009 10:12:05 PM   
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Sanity, maybe you should concentrate on actually posting something credible yourself before telling posters off for posting from biased sources.

And popeye, I'm still waiting on that evidence.


Kaine, I don't have to provide any "evidence."
There must be hundreds of thousands of pages on "LA RAZA" Go look for yourself.
Hey, here's an idea, look under, "civic groups." Alphabetically they'd be after, "I.R.A."  and before "Sein Fein." ("shin fane" means "we alone")

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 12:16:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Funny I've searched and searched and I cannot find any reputable tracker of hate groups that lists NCLR. I also can't find a single instance of violence associated with them. Surpassing odd for a group being compared to the Klan.

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 12:57:33 AM   
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Funny I've searched and searched and I cannot find any reputable tracker of hate groups that lists NCLR. I also can't find a single instance of violence associated with them. Surpassing odd for a group being compared to the Klan.


DomKen, and that surprises you?
Groups like that aren't going to come out and tell outsiders their real agendas. Do you think Sein Fein, the "political arm of the I.R.A." is going to have bomb-making instructions in their website? "How to field strip an M-16." No, they'll tell you about "scholorships", "neighborhood actions" all the people they helped, all the money they raised and what sterling people they are! And they got away with a lot of shit in this country because of one man, Edward M. Kennedy. Noone in Washington wanted to go up against him on that stuff! One of his neices "fell in love" with an IRA bomber back in the 1980's and her, Ted and a few others went over to England and applied a lot of political pressure and got the guy released and she married him! Fucking incredable! And tens or hundreds of millions of dollars were funnelled to "The Cause" in America over 40 years.
Now, do you think "Sein Fein" helps out Northern Irish Protestant or English families or political prisoners?
I was watching the History Channel a few months ago and the "smart" KKK members are now all about P.R.- public relations.
If you haven't heard they're "The New Klan."
It's all about good "P.R." nowadays. They all have Lobbyists in Washington!
Go look in a "La Raza" site, they've never taken drug money or done *anything* illegal according to their "P.R."
Just ask them.  They're a "civic organisation" just like Sein Fein.
What if I decided to come out of retirement and run for congress and it became known that I was a member of Sein Fein?
What do you think would happen to my political aspirations? Do you think I could count on the Protestant vote?
"But we're a Civic group!"

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 3:16:07 AM   
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Sanity, maybe you should concentrate on actually posting something credible yourself before telling posters off for posting from biased sources.

And popeye, I'm still waiting on that evidence.


Kaine, I don't have to provide any "evidence."
There must be hundreds of thousands of pages on "LA RAZA" Go look for yourself.
Hey, here's an idea, look under, "civic groups." Alphabetically they'd be after, "I.R.A."  and before "Sein Fein." ("shin fane" means "we alone")


Ohhhhh, I see.

Weak argument after weak argument, and now you've fallen back into the old "go look for yourself".

Perhaps you don't know how debates work.  But when you make a claim, it is up to YOU to prove your case.  And others here have looked, and can't find anything.

If it is that easy, then please.  Go ahead.  Post a reputable source that proves your case.

We're waiting.

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 7:18:04 AM   
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La Raza may not be a racist group any more than Aryan Nations or the National Association for the Advancement of Liberal Colored People are racists, but odds are good you'll find much higher concentrations of racists within those groups, and Sotomayor has said that she thinks she's wiser than a white man is...

Awfully damning.

But, as usual, those who protest against racists are the ones who Liberals want to shout down and shut up. Not the racists themselves, but those who dislike them.

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 7:28:13 AM   
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Just silly name calling and ugly race baiting.

Typical......and sad.

But please don`t stop lock-stepping with Rush and the other "good folks" at the RNC.You guys are doing more than half the work for us....

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 7:37:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		And also, Sanity fails to address the full context of Sotomayor's race comments.

I want to see some actual proof that La Raza is a racist group.

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 8:25:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Public Policy and Advocacy office has been engaged in a major effort to inform members of Congress and administration officials of our successful and important work. To that end, we have established a grass-roots network comprised of all its councils. Through this network, the organization advances a national agenda that will benefit us, only us and all of us.

It's quite obvious to me, this is is a subversive group, possibly a hate group (but I would have to do more checking) with a clear agenda but at the very least it is discriminatory in nature with that 'Us vs Them' mentality. Also quite obvious, their agenda is to advance their own cause, period, which, I suppose, is the agenda of any group of people who get together with a common goal. I guess I can't 'really' hold that against them. The fact they put this information on a public website is pretty scary. It's almost as if they think that they are too strong to have to worry about backlash or public outcry. What I have posted above is taken directly from their website (slightly out of context I know, but the message is quite clear, at least to me.)


What's really scary is that 60 members of Congress have belonged to this group at one time or another and no one has called any of them to the carpet for it. So much for the vetting process!

Would you think twice about voting for someone who had been a member of a group which clearly has an agenda such as the one above? I'm not sure I would although I'd like to think that I would do my homework and try to find out more about them first.

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Oh, the group in question?

The Girl Scouts of America.







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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 8:36:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		MEChA is in all the colleges in many high schools and even some middle schools. It is BROWN PRIDE Reconquista all the way but they are WELCOMED by .gov.

Identity politics is what Sotomayor and the Dems and their constitutents breathe.
However others can get in that game too, for survival purposes only of course.

quote:

The fact is that the Democratic party is made up of lots of different people, and we’re all minorities in our party. That’s the way it’s been for a long, long time. We’re the party of opportunity. So the demographic trends favor the Democrats.

If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic Party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in the [laughs] Republican Party.


HOWARD DEAN, chairman of the Democratic National Committee
National Public Radio  Friday August 15, 2008

What he is saying, frankly, is that the Republican party can have white male America.

Of course LA RAZA UNIDA, which means THE UNITED RACE, why that's just like the Elks club.


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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 9:19:40 AM   
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Sotomayors' quote, claiming she believes that she's wiser than a white man, is common knowledge by now. There's no reason to provide "evidence" of that.

If you're unaware of it you're simply behind the times, out of the loop.

Unaware of the facts.


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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 9:34:03 AM   
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Don't supposed you noticed that La Raza demonstrations are always repleate with lots of Mexican flags.


Yeah, and I noticed the St. Patrick's Day parade had a lot of people waving the Irish flag, and Columbus Day events have people waving the Italian flag, and there's a club not far from from me called The Alliance of Poles and they actually have a Polish flag on the front of their building at all times.

Traitors, one and all.  It's time we started some good 'ole Mississippi necktie parties and teach these people what country they live in.  

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 10:10:38 AM   
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Groups like that aren't going to come out and tell outsiders their real agendas.


So, they are such a clever hate group that we have no evidence of them being a hate group but they are a hate group nonetheless?

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 11:13:48 AM   
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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 11:35:28 AM   
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La Raza is racist the same way that NAACP is racist. 



An interesting remark.

Now should that be interpreted as support or criticism of both?

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 11:51:18 AM   
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Sanity, maybe you should concentrate on actually posting something credible yourself before telling posters off for posting from biased sources.

And popeye, I'm still waiting on that evidence.


Kaine, I don't have to provide any "evidence."
There must be hundreds of thousands of pages on "LA RAZA" Go look for yourself.
Hey, here's an idea, look under, "civic groups." Alphabetically they'd be after, "I.R.A."  and before "Sein Fein." ("shin fane" means "we alone")


Ohhhhh, I see.

Weak argument after weak argument, and now you've fallen back into the old "go look for yourself".

Perhaps you don't know how debates work.  But when you make a claim, it is up to YOU to prove your case.  And others here have looked, and can't find anything.

If it is that easy, then please.  Go ahead.  Post a reputable source that proves your case.

We're waiting.


Kaine, it really doesn't matter what I say, you're going to believe what *you* want to believe anyway.
Like I said, I was *"for"* Justice Sotomayor until it became public that she was a member of "La Raza".
I'm trying to keep an *open mind* about this whole thing.
I use the example of the I.R.A. and Sein Fein because I am much more familiar with those groups due to my upbringing and heritage and there are many similarities between Sein Fein and La Raza. I don't want anyone in a public position who is a member of groups like that.
What if Obama chose a man or woman for the SC of Irish descent wo belonged to Sein Fein? You wouldn't have a problem with that?
La Raza advocates usurping our laws on immigration. They don't have a problem with millions of illegal aliens using phoney social security numbers which is a federal felony, just using the number alone, you don't even have to be in possesion of the card.
Try that yourself. You'd be charged and put on trial. Federal felonies are a certain disqualifier for U.S. Citizenship.But, La Raza would have us believe otherwise.
You tell me what La Raza's *agenda* is.
How can we possibly trust that Sotomayor being a member of La Raza who believes in such things would uphold our laws on immigration and illegal aliens?
And how do you think she feels about "amnesty" for illegal aliens when most Americans are against it?
La Raza "believes" in "amensty" for illegal aliens, but only for a certain group of people. Oh, if it suited their purposes they'd probaby come out and say they favored it for "Russians", "Brazilians", etc as well.
I don't have that trust anymore, do you? And another comment she made which is very disturbing, "wait till you see *my* brand of justice!"
We can't have people in public office like that *especially* in judgeships!
President Obama made a mistake with this and he needs to come out and admit it to the American People.

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 5:42:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Popeye, One or two quick questions, The Sein Fein is the political arm of the IRA, who without question,is/was a terrorist group.

IS LA Raza the political arm of a terrorist group? that has killed hundreds of people? Could you please tell me what acts of terrorism has been wrought in their name?

Didnt Gerry Adams, have a long career or IS rather, as a member of parliament for Belfast west?  Didnt he have a lot to do with the truce and cease fire. I wouldnt trust him as  a dog keeper, however that is my own personal bias of the man, but he is still in a position of "power"
Sein Fein is a "respectable" political party now, but 35 years ago.... then they were the mouthpiece of the murdering IRA..
just wondering for my own edification?
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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/30/2009 8:35:57 PM   
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La Raza is racist the same way that NAACP is racist. 

An interesting remark. Now should that be interpreted as support or criticism of both?

Cubes are to square holes as spheres are to round holes.

Now should that be interpreted as support or criticism of both?

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RE: Obama Picks A White Man for the Supreme Court! - 5/31/2009 8:13:00 AM   
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Let's see now, what if I got a group together consisting of all white Anglo-Saxon males and called it, "The Race". ("La Raza" in English)
And, as our motto we had; "For The Race everything, for others, nothing!"
Now that wouldn't be "racist" would it?
Oops, I forgot, only caucaisions can be "racist" right?



I dunno, Popeye. If whites were an opressed minority that was constantly being shit on by the majority, I think the idea of their banding together to effect political and social change would be appropriate. Instead, by being a part of the privlidged mainstream, and starting your all white group... you'd just be guilty of being a duchebag. (Hypothetically speaking, of course.)

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