fullofgrace
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Joined: 3/24/2006 From: fl, usa Status: offline
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i swore i'd never see this movie, but my cousin forced me to watch part of it with her today. i watched up until the "hero" vomits around the ball gag and then i left for a few minutes until the escape, but i saw most of it. personally, as a horror movie (and i must admit i'm not a fan of horror movies), i thought it sucked. it was amusing in parts (i loved the bubble gum gang, i found them downright hilarious, if a bit creepy) but for the most part it was...tits and gore. it's easy to think of it that way to keep myself from considering that there are actually people who find that fun. la mentioned that bdsm isn't all fluffy handcuffs and endorphin rushes, but she uses the phrase "s&m." this movie is not about "s&m" - this movie is about sadism, pure and simple. to me, s&m has to involve some sort of masochism, which i understand as someone WANTING a sadist to inflict pain upon them. these people were not masochists. they were unwillingly being tortured. there is a difference between enjoying having pain inflicted upon you, or enjoying being tortured and killed (and if being tortured and killed is your particular brand of masochism, by all means, have at it), and being tortured and killed when that's really not how you felt like spending your vacation. maybe this is just my interpretation of bdsm, but i find it really disturbing that people are drawing parallels between unwilling victims of horrible acts of torture and people who CHOOSE to be tortured, who WANT it. imho, this movie was about a bunch of sadistic killers with way too much money and time on their hands, not about bdsm. no, we're not really that different from "evil wrong people" (agan i'm quoting la - i don't mean to be picking on her, it's just that her post stood out the most to me). but the difference that is there - the recognition that it's wrong to torture an unwilling victim and then murder them - is important, to me. we do push that difference a bit, in the way limits are pushed in scenes, but even then, we (most of us anyway) claim that the bottom has the right to withdraw consent, and that implies that they gave some consent in the first place. these people did not consent for this. that line is, in a way, very thin, but it IS a very important difference, if not a very big one. maybe i'm being naive in not seeing that perhaps there are some sadistic people in the bdsm lifestyle/subculture/whatever who think it would be a whole lot of fun to torture and kill some random innocent person - i'm perfectly willing to admit that. but then excuse me for thinking consent MEANT something. to me it's the difference between bdsm and torture/assault/rape/murder.
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