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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/5/2009 3:48:31 PM

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While the teller counted out the money, court paper say Murray declared:

"We are 94 million miles from the sun, and are in between the sun and moon, and the eagle that flies between them and it's a giant step for mankind ... I have traveled thousands of miles to be here and know things that are going to happen ... The banking system will fail and people will die ... There will be chaos in the world."

Then Murray blurted out his assassination threat and left, authorities say.

Asking due to lack of experience:

Is stuff like what is stated here, often proclaimed in such situations? Anyone know?

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/5/2009 7:26:40 PM

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$345 for the plane ticket plus rent on two rooms plus food plus the fees to get birth certificates and passports in 1968 wasn't a lot of money? Even assuming each room was $9 week his 4 week stay meant he paid out at least $72 in rent. Can't find what canadian passport fees were in 1968 so I'll just use a total estimate of $500 for just his time in Canada. the Canadian dollar was worth about 0.93 US in 1968 so since its easier to do the numbers with US numbers so call it $465 US. So adjusting for inflation that's the rough equivalent of $2900 US. that neglects his expenses getting to Toronto, his costs in London, his flight to Lisbon and what he was going to spend on the international plane ticket to brussels he was trying to buy when caught.

A detail I can't find is how much cash he had when caught. Several references say it was a large sum but none quote a figure or indicate a source for this claim although it does seem clear that Ray had a substantial amount, in excess of $1000US when he fled the boarding house in memphis.

*sigh*

How long was he in London, exactly?

And I guess you claim that Clinton's Attorney General Janet Reno was part of the conspiracy as well?

$3900 dollars? That's the basis of your belief that he was funded by some dark cabal? You do know that Ray was a life-long criminal, who was able to get pretty much all his living expenses without work for years, and years, don'tja?

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/5/2009 8:54:14 PM

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Based on your account he spent a month in Europe. How much time he spent in london and how much in Lisbon isn't something I've been able to find. He killed MLK on April 4 and was captured on June 8.

What I'm saying is for a guy on the lam he went places where he had no support system and seemed to be intent on traveling not on getting money. I also note that he abandoned a 1966 Mustang, a not cheap vehicle, in Atlanta after driving from Memphis after the assasination. He also had been traveling around the country following King prior to the assassination. This all stinks of someone else paying the bills.

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/5/2009 9:03:19 PM

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Based on your account he spent a month in Europe. How much time he spent in london and how much in Lisbon isn't something I've been able to find. He killed MLK on April 4 and was captured on June 8.

What I'm saying is for a guy on the lam he went places where he had no support system and seemed to be intent on traveling not on getting money. I also note that he abandoned a 1966 Mustang, a not cheap vehicle, in Atlanta after driving from Memphis after the assasination. He also had been traveling around the country following King prior to the assassination. This all stinks of someone else paying the bills.

So ... is Janet Reno a reliable source, or is she in on the cabal?

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/5/2009 9:04:20 PM

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I'm not claiming anyone is in a conspiracy Firm. I'm just saying things don't add up.

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/5/2009 9:06:26 PM

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I'm not claiming anyone is in a conspiracy Firm. I'm just saying things don't add up.

Ok

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 4:33:31 PM

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You attempt to assign racism as being behind my opinion that an assassination of President Obama would lead to riots is completely unfounded and bears no contact with reality. I made no statement that only black people would riot – that was your presumption, not mine. I have no doubt that there would be plenty of white people rioting as well and I am sure there are some Hispanics who would want to get in on the fun. In short, it is people with attitudes like that of MarsBonfire – the other side being pure evil and responsible for everything that is wrong in the world – that would riot; to be quickly followed by those who would take advantage of the situation to loot.

Seriously? Do you honestly believe that if President Obama were assassinated, there would be no riots?

Oh, I see, so your comment about riots following the possible assassination of the first black President had no bearing on his race and you were not even thinking of the Katrina riots, the LA riots regarding King, or the 60's riots after MLK's assassination.

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 4:39:18 PM

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And this is how people put themselves on the *waiting approval* list.

Well, sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities there MM but it's pretty obvious what was being referred to here.

So if stating the obvious gets me moderated, so be it.

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 4:54:20 PM

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He's been caught:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090606/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_threat

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 5:01:24 PM

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Well that's a relief

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 5:55:09 PM

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methinks K's projection comment was about RMLs post not yours.

Oh! That went right by me! Yes, you are correct. Sorry Tim.

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 6:06:56 PM

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Oh, I see, so your comment about riots following the possible assassination of the first black President had no bearing on his race and you were not even thinking of the Katrina riots, the LA riots regarding King, or the 60's riots after MLK's assassination.

Don’t be absurd. But, despite progress, America continues to have a deep racial divide. The LA riots and the 60’s riots after the King assassination were a result of that divide. Predicting riots should our first black President be assassinated is a matter of acknowledging that divide based upon an honest assessment of American history. Rather than acknowledge that you chose instead to issue a snide implication that my motives were the result of racial bias.

Considering President Obama’s popularity not only amongst Blacks but Whites and Hispanics (and others) as well, I ask you again: do you honestly believe that if President Obama were assassinated, there would be no riots?

To adhere to such a belief (that there would be no riots in the wake of such an unfortunate event) belies a gross naivety about the human race, a deliberate burying of your head in the sand because you don’t want to see the negative aspects of humanity, or a predisposistion towards me to assume the worst about my character.

I make no claims to perfection. I certainly have a negative attitude toward some people around here based upon their previous postings but - just as I would expect them to challenge any incorrect assumptions about their character on my part - I likewise will not stand for such false assumptions about me. I come from a multi-racial family. To accuse me of racism is to accuse me of hating people I dearly love and care deeply about.

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 6:34:43 PM

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Sure, there would be some riots because Obama was assassinated....but the really big riots would be when people figure out that Biden was now our president...

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 6:43:48 PM

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He's been caught:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090606/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_threat

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He was described by his father and former neighbors in Rexford as troubled but not dangerous, known for strolling down a street wearing a cape while talking to himself.

I think that pretty much sinches the nutjob theory (not that nutjobs can't be very dangerous). Besides, a member of a serious conspiracy wouldn't blab. The silent ones are the ones who are the most dangerous.

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 6:47:28 PM

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Sure, there would be some riots because Obama was assassinated....but the really big riots would be when people figure out that Biden was now our president...

Let's hope that the notion of a President Biden gives any would be assassin pause. Hell, I might be inclined to riot under such circumstances.

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 7:21:28 PM

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Sure, there would be some riots because Obama was assassinated....but the really big riots would be when people figure out that Biden was now our president...

Let's hope that the notion of a President Biden gives any would be assassin pause. Hell, I might be inclined to riot under such circumstances.

Biden is an ignorant but relatively harmless fool. His strings have been pulled by others since his second Senate run and first POTUS run (which I unwillingly worked on). His gaffes are his form of saying "Im my own person, you dont control me" to his handlers, then he goes back to doing their bidding.

My participation in violence would come with Pelosi. She is as close to the personification of evil as this atheist can imagine.

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/6/2009 9:39:28 PM

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But, would you take a bullet for Obama?

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/7/2009 8:44:59 AM

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Sorry Rule, but I think he's right. Obama's assassination would most probably spark some massive riots and unrest, I mean look what happened in the Rodney King case.

I was just reading a bit about the 1968 riots after MLK's assassination. It took a pretty heavy toll on Washington D.C. and I'd have to agree that it's reasonable to expect the same result if the president were assassinated. But riots do not last forever even if their effects linger. The worst fallout from something like that happening would be transforming Obama into some kind of martyr. That will last for generations beyond my life here on Earth.

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/7/2009 8:59:39 AM

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Its true it would make him a martyr, look what happened with JFK. Now as to why that would be such a bad thing I don't know, I mean is it such a bad thing that JFK is so revered?

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RE: Nutjobs coming out of the woodwork... - 6/7/2009 11:33:06 AM

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Its true it would make him a martyr, look what happened with JFK. Now as to why that would be such a bad thing I don't know, I mean is it such a bad thing that JFK is so revered?

If this were to happen to Obama and he could be revered in the same manner that JFK was and is revered (sans widespread rioting and unrest) then I would say that you have a point.

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