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Termyn8or -> RE: job applicants must provide log-in information and passwords (6/18/2009 5:37:03 PM)
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Irish, the last time I responded to a statement like "what do you have to hide" I almost got thrown off here so wish me luck.
There are different levels of privacy. CM is a bit different. We have corresponded and based on info gleaned from that I could probably find you. You'll have to forgive me for not surprizing you because I think you have more guns than I. You can also use them quite more proficiently. Many people however, cannot walk that walk.
Of course you could probably find me as well, but I, as a 48 year old Man who also has some iron, I am not afraid. So that makes two of us. What of the rest ? For example at my job I could come out completely and there would be no ill effects, except maybe a different type of jokes being bandied about. But I still won't get on CM at work ever, and that is really not so much so people can't read my rants, but PCs tend to start automatically logging in, which enables any Tom, Dick or Harry to post in my name. In fact due to moving I am not on my own PC and just pickup these fora from the history, and it still logs in automatically.
I really don't want to hijack, but I don't think I can avoid widening the scope of the issue.
Posting on this forum : Open to the public.
Private CMails : must be subpeonaed.
Private CMails : Go through a content filter but violations are handled locally.
Regular Email : Goes through a keyword filter, all is in a database but only certain things call attention.
Open blogs : If they require an email to post, you are had easily.
Private blogs : Information usually must be subpeonaed.
Professional groups : You can't even access at least the one I am in without credentials. Not only would the information have to be called for, someone would have to have a clue that I am a member.
Usenet newsgroups : Certain methods of accessing make emails all public, certain other methods make it a bit harder but not impossible.
Now, via IP addresses they can find their way not only to your front door, but to the actual PC used to send whatever they may deem worthy of their attention. So I can't really disagree that true privacy is an illusion. However that was not the point of the OP, and I'll be back to that shortly.
My point is that we must resist sometimes, as used to be one of my sigs, because compliance is indeed futile. We can't just lay in a pasture and let "them" do whatever they want. I believe that is more the point than the actual privacy. Even making a phone call or sending a snail mail they can usually eventually find you unless you are very smart. It's the compliance that bothers me. I hope they never fill that job opening because everybody refuses to give out their passwords.
Now how about a bit of a followup question for the OP, just what kind of job are we talking about here, sweeping the floor ? A janitor ? Now as we know, appointees for supreme court jusice have been refused confirmation based on their writings. Their papers and dissertation from back in law school. Supreme court justice is a pretty important job and I would think that everyone would like to know all they can about the candidate. Do they ask them for their passwords ? What about the President ? How about senators and reps ?
So I fully understand that we are under quite a bit of scrutiny normallhy, but what I am saying is that we don't have to like it. We've heard of people denied jobs because of bad credit, and it is actually logical to not give those with lengthy driving records a company vehicle, these things have a time and place. I don't agree with denying someone a job based on bad credit, but certain jobs could make it a valid point. Someone in a position of power can be bribed or extorted. All I can say is that for this level of disclosure it better be one hell of a job. Of course note that some would equate that same disclosure as "selling out". I certainly would.
I can't say much more because I speak from a different perspective than most people. Although I have skill at getting a job I usually don't go through normal channels because I am networked pretty well in the field. I had one job at which I was called into the office on payday and they said "Well we were going to write you a paycheck but it occurred to me that we don't know your last name". If I ever lose this carreer, I will likely go into business. I CAN get a job. In all my years I have probably applied for a couple dozen jobs, and I got all but one. That was for the railroad, and they cherry pick, because the benefits are so fantastic. That job was also not in the newspaper, I just have a differnt way. I know a few months ago that Ohio Crankshaft was hiring, a great job really, but they never advertise for help. I find out from friends or whatever when a job is available, and have rarely, and never recently resorted to the classifieds. People in the regular job "market" have different concerns.
I doubt I would submit to a drug test, if they asked I would respond "What do you want tested because I don't do the hard shit". If I got a call saying that I came up positive for weed I would respond "OK so when do I start ?". Drug free workplace ? I never bring drugs to the workplace !
Maybe it's just me who won't let people get over on me like that. I remember once, when I got my wings so to speak, I was late or something but I was not paid for any time I was not there. The boss said "You think you are doing us a favor coming in to work ?", I replied that I most certainly thought I was, that I make the company money. Now how long would you like to chat about it and how long do you want me to work. I have to keep it in the back of my brain that not everone can do this, just like everyone is not nice and secure with plenty of weapons around for possible intruders.
T
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