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Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 5:09:30 PM

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Ok, thought that you would ALL be very happy to know and understand WHY we are into BDSM lifestyle...Fox News this morning said it was because we were spanked as children...so NOW you know WHY you are into kink sex...just thought I'd share :) Laughed my ass off when I saw the seg. on tv! So glad that they shined some light on the subject for us...I had always just thought it was because it was a good thing to do, now I know I was wrong.

RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 5:14:33 PM

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Here is a link to the story
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333551,00.html

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 5:31:46 PM

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Actually the story is from USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-02-27-spanking_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 5:42:16 PM

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Well now, that answers everything!

Wait, no it doesn't. Master was spanked too, so is it gender specific? Hmm, now I'm even MORE confused. Just like usual :) i mean, "...spanked children also are more likely to be "physically or verbally coercing" to a sexual partner and engage in masochistic sex, including arousal by spanking, later in life." So i'm the one bossing them around, even physically, in the bedroom so they hit me?

Last time i checked, i didn't have ANY sexual problems, either...well maybe one, i don't get enough? Does that count?

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 6:04:43 PM

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Yea I didn't get a whole lot out of it either. Four different studies and all they can say is it might lead to something in the future, but they aren't sure. I do know sadists who were spanked as kids, but I doubt anyone can prove one way or another that that influences them now. I was threatened more than spanked as a child, but does that have anything to do with me enjoying a spanking now? I don't enjoy punishment so I don't see the connection, but that does not mean anything. If they are trying to imply I should not have spanked my kids, then they have missed the mark as far as I am concerned. All they really have proven is they don't know one way or another.

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 6:54:11 PM

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Hnn interesting i was no spanked much as a child. Wait does that make me a Domme???? I sure Master would be almost as surprised as i would be. Not a domme bone in my body. Master did get spanked as a child. That makes more sense to me. Someone who was spanked as a child would want to be the spanker instead of the spankee maybe. I am i wrong or does that make some twisted kind of sense?

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 6:59:50 PM

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I think I was spanked maybe twice in my whole childhood, but I am a definite masochist. So once or twice is all it takes, I guess! Sounds silly to me.

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 7:01:58 PM

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This is virtually the same as the whole Video games to violence thing
it looks like what my psych instructor used to call ecneics ((Yes that is science spelled backwards)) where they started with a conclusion and then backtracked to get what they wanted

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 7:07:43 PM

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You make perfect sense. Personally, i don't think it has jack freaking crap to do with why i choose this type of relationship. i had the HELL beat out of me with a belt... Consequently i don't like Him using a belt.
*would be lying if i said there were not times when He's beating me that i don't think about doing it to Him*
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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 8:50:18 PM

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Every Saturday morning (that we aren't working or busy) my brother and I meet my parents for breakfast. It's just a little family tradition that we have. Being that it's summer, and hot outside, I tend to wear less clothing this time of year and got tired of deflecting my Mother's "What the hell happened to you?" questions. I bruise easily, always have, and thankfully my father and brother have the sense not to ask So after breakfast I took her aside and explained it. Thankfully my family has always been pretty cool, and my Mom's response was something along the lines of "Whatever floats your boat." Until a few minutes later, after a long and uncomfortable silence, when she asked "Is this because we spanked you as a child?" Of course my Dad and Brother, who were eavesdropping from the other room started laughing hysterically and I said "Yeah, Mom, that's the sole reason."
That's when I went home. Leaving my confused Mother and and the two laughing jackasses behind.

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/18/2009 11:18:06 PM

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I was spanked as a child. Spankings, beatings, or any kind of pain does absolutely nothing for me sexualy. I endure it because it entertains my Mistress but it has never once aroused me.

The whole "sexual problems" thing is way too wide open! Without knowing how they are defining that all the so called "research" is meaningless. They could be saying that anyone who doesn't stay to a single monogomous relationship their entire life has a sexual problem.

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/19/2009 2:39:26 AM

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quote:

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This is virtually the same as the whole Video games to violence thing
it looks like what my psych instructor used to call ecneics ((Yes that is science spelled backwards)) where they started with a conclusion and then backtracked to get what they wanted

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/19/2009 3:30:46 AM

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I don't know what use this study might be put to, but I don't spend much time in academia either. It's something of a given to me that a person who learns aggression/violence as a method of expression would be more likely to use it as an adult.

The part that confuses/discourages me is the researchers apparent view that not using a condom is akin to sadism and masochism. I think it's going to be a while before anything meaningful is accomplished, statistically speaking.

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/19/2009 6:19:02 AM

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I always thought the reason I liked a spanking was because I never was as a child.

However linking childhood abuse to abuse later on does have a strong known correlation. This report is equating getting one spank for trying to run into the road to having things thrown at you while undergoing verbal abuse. And that's just plain stupid, not to mention bad science.

What about people who eat heavily spiced foods? Obviously if you enjoy strong sensations in the arena of touch (ie spanking) then you must also enjoy strong sensations in the arena of taste. And obviously both come about because you were spanked. Or not. I wasn't spanked, my kids weren't and one of them eats hot sauce on everything and the other doesn't eat anything intense flavored. She prefers milk chocolate to 70% cacao solids ffs. Is that because I didn't spank her?

Bad science,

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/19/2009 6:45:56 AM

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I don't think it as anything at all to do with being spanked or not as children. I bet they could take the same studies and then figure out how many of the exact same study participants turned out to be gay and draw the conclusion "being spanked as a child makes you queer". I see I now have to track down the published paper so I can look at its methodology /sigh.

I am in a D/s relationship because I work in an extremely Type A job role and I desperately need structure, caring, and yes, sensation play when I get home. Having some ritual helps me shed the stressors and angers from the work day and lets me come into a safe haven. That's MY reason, and I got to this understanding after investing time in counseling. The flip side of it is that I do genually enjoy helping others (which appears in both my work and home lives), and that thread provides continuity between work/home, because it makes me good at what I do professionally and it means that I enjoy serving my Lady.

Asking why I am a masochist is a whole 'nother thing from the D/s. Some of my earliest memories are masturbation fantasies back as a really small UM before I was ever spanked, and these fantasies involved masochistic themes. I really just think it's about needing more intense physical sensations sometimes. I mean, sometimes you want a vanilla milkshake. And then sometimes you want habañero salsa! I couldn't live on a diet of habañero, but every so often, my Lady lets me indulge that masochistic side of my nature and it adds a bit of ZING! to the sex and the relationship.

But of course, I don't expect a nuanced understanding of the difference between sadomasochism and D/s from the researchers.

And now I have been given an actual assignment to find the research being cited in the news articles, as my honey leaned over my shoulder just now, so maybe I'll have more to say about the actual study later.

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/19/2009 11:26:52 AM

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The statistics of the studies (apparently only a sample of 207 strictly dedicated to "masochistic sex") are borderline pointless. While the intent of trying to bolster the case against corporal punishment on kids may be ethically noble, this studies work under the presumption that the sexual results are inherently undesirable or unhealthy.

"Risky sex" is a nearly universal human issue and the correlation to childhood spankings would get drowned away by more relevant factors (such as education and moral views on contraception). The way they describe "coercive sex" is strange and doesn't really explain much:

"...suggests that children whose parents spanked, slapped, hit or threw objects at them may have a greater chance of physically or verbally coercing a sexual partner..."

Um...yes, if I'm in a relationship (vanilla or not) with a partner and I am in the mood, I will try "coercive" methods to engage in such activity. "Coercive" here seems vague enough to encapsulate anything from tickling/massaging (intended to lead further) and flattering seduction to screaming and physical aggression.

In order to have substance to what they're trying to lead to, they'd have to demonstrate that the results are either not mutually consensual and enjoyed or that the enjoyment of consenting is somehow indicative of mental incompetence. Otherwise they're just using circular logic aided by the notion that "coercive sex" (presumably these people are unfamiliar with the common human dating process) or masochistic sex are already presumed to be inherently negative because they're hotwords.

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/20/2009 5:43:33 AM

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What nonsense! Its clearly the Bible that generates interest in BDSM, with notions of "spare the rod...." perhaps most well known amongst a whole host of other supporting references. And should we examine the childhoods of those into BDSM as adults I am sure we shall find a link to Christianity and the Bible in practically all such cases.

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/20/2009 5:47:52 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

notions of "spare the rod...." perhaps most well known amongst a whole host of other supporting references.
QED

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most well know and MOST misinterpreted..
SPARE( as from the BIBLE lang in was in)
was using a word meant to PUT AWAY

Put the rod away and spoil..spoil ( again a misinterpretation)FROM a word for nurture...
so many words twisted..

also "suffer not a poisoner( gossip..heretic) to live"
was changed to witch..ALL ENGLISH translations!

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/20/2009 6:20:19 AM

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What irks me the most is that the article implies that liking masochistic sex is a "sexual problem."

Okay, I was spanked twice as a child. Neither episode was traumatic. I like being tied up and spanked/beaten; it arouses me. Where's the problem?

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RE: Fox News tells us why!! - 6/21/2009 10:19:28 AM

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That is so stupid and simplistic. And wrong. I am not even really into spanking or corporal punishment. I am into female domination. I will submit to physical punishments if a Mistress requires, but I don't relish it. And anyway, LOTS of kids were spanked. Not all are into our life.

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