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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/28/2009 10:26:43 AM

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Making a virtue out of being a badass and a bully is all very well in biker movies and gay leather BDSM fantasies, but in the real world it causes more problems than it serves.

I don't think I agree with your characterization of opposing injustice by force of arms, Phil...

...not what i meant, but i suspect you knew that.....

Force of arms is one thing, it can be done without compromising ones principles. However, force of arms combined with compromising ones principles is an insidious combination. It damages the perpetrator as much as its intended target.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/28/2009 12:44:12 PM

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Force of arms is one thing, it can be done without compromising ones principles. However, force of arms combined with compromising ones principles is an insidious combination.

        That brings us right back to questioning when there was agreement on those principles.





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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/28/2009 1:24:50 PM

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Force of arms is one thing, it can be done without compromising ones principles. However, force of arms combined with compromising ones principles is an insidious combination.

That brings us right back to questioning when there was agreement on those principles.

...the right to a fair trial, to know the charges against one, to be able to prepare a defence against those charges, to face your accuser, to not be found guilty on hearsay evidence have all been part of Western Nations philosophy for a couple of centuries or more. Why? How did such an apparent consensus arrive? Perhaps because it is self evidentally fair...clearly just....obviously the correct way for a state to behave in respect of individuals. Gitmo is a throwback to a primitive and short sighted idea of justice. One proven by centuries of experience and countless examples to be a failure.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/28/2009 4:22:35 PM

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...the right to a fair trial, to know the charges against one, to be able to prepare a defence against those charges, to face your accuser, to not be found guilty on hearsay evidence have all been part of Western Nations philosophy for a couple of centuries or more. Why? How did such an apparent consensus arrive? Perhaps because it is self evidentally fair...clearly just....obviously the correct way for a state to behave in respect of individuals. Gitmo is a throwback to a primitive and short sighted idea of justice. One proven by centuries of experience and countless examples to be a failure.

Yep, that's why we shouldn't have taken prisoners at all. Then gitmo wouldn't even be an issue.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/28/2009 4:36:58 PM

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Law of unintended consequences. We tried to be merciful to enemies we had in the sights of our weapons, and look where it landed us...

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/28/2009 4:40:10 PM

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Law of unintended consequences. We tried to be merciful to enemies we had in the sights of our weapons, and look where it landed us...

Exactly. We should be following the "Cobra Kai" laws of combat. "If a man faces you he is the enemy....an enemy deserves NO mercy!"

Well that and "Sweep the leg. Do you have a problem with that?"

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/28/2009 9:34:37 PM

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fuck that. Let's get back to Kublai Khan, not Cobra Kai. We're all economy sucking China's Clit anyway.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/29/2009 8:01:48 PM

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See why Islam (in its pure, true form, anyway) forbids clerics? Human beings have no need for interceptors with their Lord.

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RE: Iranian cleric urges executing some protesters - 6/29/2009 10:11:09 PM

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you'll needconfirmation from Commodore Cock and Commisar Kunt on that before we take your word as Gospel (ha ha) on that, Captain Crunch

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