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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/28/2009 9:27:46 PM   
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Palin's New Clothes
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Most of the media commentary on Sarah Palin's farewell addressto Alaska, focused on what it meant for her political future. Pundits went back and forth: Could she win the Repulbican nomination for President? Could she win the Presidency?

But amidst the coverage of hardcore political realities, I was left wondering why the media didn't see what I saw: a woman divorced from reality.
Palin's most biting criticism for the media was this:

"...our troops are willing to die for you. So, how 'bout in honor of the American soldier, ya quit makin' things up?"

Of course, Palin never identifies things she feels the press made up. But she seems to think she's stumbled on a brilliant rhetorical device: all you have to do is praise the troops, and no one can disagree with what follows, for fear of going against the troops. Aside from those that were applauding her speech, I can't believe she thinks the vast majority of Americans will fall for that. Besides the transparent appeal to patriotism, the sheer audacity of thinking that that she has the special right to invoke the troops' sacrifices for her own benefit, is remarkable.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Palin-s-New-Clothes-by-Amy-Fried-090728-459.html

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/28/2009 9:44:56 PM   
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So...is this thread about the oddball church service, or is it just basically a hate-on-Palin thread?

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/28/2009 9:59:45 PM   
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So...is this thread about the oddball church service, or is it just basically a hate-on-Palin thread?



When is it not a hate-on-Palin thread? 

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/28/2009 11:00:15 PM   
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So...is this thread about the oddball church service, or is it just basically a hate-on-Palin thread?


We have good reason to hate Palin and good evidence to suggest most church services are odd ball.


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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 12:19:56 AM   
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So...is this thread about the oddball church service, or is it just basically a hate-on-Palin thread?



Judge Judy said if it doesn’t make sense it’s a lie. Palin quitting doesn’t make sense. But to answer your question, a great deal about Sarah Palin is oddball the more I am finding out about her. Not only the church she goes to but the way she talks and what she does in her leisure time. I mean what woman likes hunting? What normal woman? I don’t think I’ve ever come across any woman on this website that likes hunting. Most women don’t mention it, and if they do, they don’t like it and describe it as a hard limit.

So I think there’s a lot we don’t know about her and we’re fortunate they didn’t win, remembering John McCain’s reputation for having a temper.
And I really don’t like the way she used the troops for her own benefit. I don't hate her, yet, Bush and Cheney, I can't stand the pricks.

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 2:17:24 AM   
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I mean what woman likes hunting? What normal woman? I don’t think I’ve ever come across any woman on this website that likes hunting. Most women don’t mention it, and if they do, they don’t like it and describe it as a hard limit.
Sexist crap unworthy of being laid out in any intelligent discussion. You distrust her because she likes to hunt??? What sort of basis is that for judging political worthiness?

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 6:25:01 AM   
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So...is this thread about the oddball church service, or is it just basically a hate-on-Palin thread?


What I think is funny is that any criticism of Palin is said to be hatred of her.

Speaking for myself, I don't think it is possible to hate anyone you don't know.

But I challenge anyone who listened to her speeches, announcing her intent to resign and the recent resignation speech, to tell me you would feel comfortable with this woman in the Oval Office.






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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 10:51:41 AM   
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Shatner Recites Palin's Farewell Speech on Conan O'brien

Sarah Palin's farewell speech did not seem to make any sense...until William Shatner read it as it was meant to be heard in all of its poetic beauty.

http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com/video/clips/shatner-does-palin-072709/1139665/

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 11:00:11 AM   
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Shatner Recites Palin's Farewell Speech on Conan O'brien

Sarah Palin's farewell speech did not seem to make any sense...until William Shatner read it as it was meant to be heard in all of its poetic beauty.

http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com/video/clips/shatner-does-palin-072709/1139665/


OOOOOh I have to say I love Willie after that.....he just gets better with age



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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 11:23:01 AM   
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But I challenge anyone who listened to her speeches, announcing her intent to resign and the recent resignation speech, to tell me you would feel comfortable with this woman in the Oval Office.
Oh, don't misunderstand me, I would most definitely NOT feel comfortable with her anywhere near the Oval Office, but I also think she has about the same chance of getting there as I do. That's why I wonder about the fixation on her, both on here and in the media...she had her 15 minutes and now she is irrelevant. Why is what church she goes to, or whatever bizarre position she holds on whatever topic of any importance, she isn't even Governor of Alaska any more.
If the GOP does run her in 2012, then we have a 2nd term for Obama.


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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 11:26:55 AM   
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Shatner Recites Palin's Farewell Speech on Conan O'brien

Gotta love Bill!!


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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 12:03:06 PM   
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Pat Buchanan Outs Sarah Palin on Hardball

Pat Buchanan defends Palin’s media whine with a Freudian Slip and opens Pandora’s Box. Oopsie, Pat.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/Buchanan-Palin

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 12:19:14 PM   
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Pat Buchanan Outs Sarah Palin on Hardball
Non story

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 12:42:28 PM   
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But I challenge anyone who listened to her speeches, announcing her intent to resign and the recent resignation speech, to tell me you would feel comfortable with this woman in the Oval Office.
Oh, don't misunderstand me, I would most definitely NOT feel comfortable with her anywhere near the Oval Office, but I also think she has about the same chance of getting there as I do. That's why I wonder about the fixation on her, both on here and in the media...she had her 15 minutes and now she is irrelevant. Why is what church she goes to, or whatever bizarre position she holds on whatever topic of any importance, she isn't even Governor of Alaska any more.
If the GOP does run her in 2012, then we have a 2nd term for Obama.


Arpig,

I'll attempt to give you my thoughts on the subject.

The issue is a class, cultural and ideological issue, all rolled up into one person.

Despite what you see and hear constantly on CM and in the media, Palin strikes a cord with many Americans. That cord is primarily based on a strain of American thought and belief that is pretty much the historical bedrock of the nation.

She isn't from the elite class of Americans. She doesn't vacation in Martha's Vineyard, and she doesn't play the "fumble and fuck" game of the power brokers in the DC area, or of party politics (the Republican Party in Alaska is NOT her friend).

She comes from plain and ordinary roots. She struggled to get herself through college (and wasn't handed a four year paid trust fund to get her through an Ivy League college from her parents). She has struggled to raise her family on a budget.

She is unapologetically religious, and has shown that she's willing to live her beliefs - beliefs which are antithetical to to core of the liberal elites in the US (think abortion).

She's a woman who has sought, and achieved political power, while at the same time disregarding current left wing tenets of "feminism" and she's damn unapologetic about that as well.

In other words, she's about as anti-elitist as they come in a politician who has gone as far as she has, and her success in her life are a direct challenge to both elitist good-buddy power system, and to the left-wing liberal belief system.

They HAVE to destroy her, to make a lie of her as a model, and to besmirch her beliefs, otherwise everything that they believe, and everything that they wish the rest of America to believe will be undermined. She actually frightens them. And badly.

And because they are frightened, they do what many people do to anyone who they don't quite understand, and that they think threatens them: they attack. They attack emotionally, and they attack any little thing that they feel can hurt her. They attack in a frenzy, like sharks feeding on chum. Balance, truth, fair-play, innocence ... all out of the window.

Like a Jesus to the Philistines, like a Martin Luther to the Catholic Church, like Ghandi to the British Empire in India ... if she gets traction, she has the possibility of upsetting a lot of applecarts that have been built over the past decades.

That is why they attack her.

Oh, I'll admit, some people have perfectly valid reasons for disliking her, for believing she shouldn't hold office, and they can express them and I respect them.

But many people - especially politically powerless followers of left liberal beliefs - may not understand their own hatred, or even acknowledge it. But like "good little soldiers", they unconsciously believe that they can solidify their own beliefs, that they can gain greater credibility with the "liberal church" by being attack dogs.

And it's kinda liberating to hate and vilify someone that "everyone" agrees deserves that hate.

It's a cathartic expression of solidarity for the powerless underlings of the left who wish to experience righteous anger and indignation, and who can safely vent on an object that has been deemed anathema, heretic, and blasphemer.

Just my thoughts, anyway. I'm sure others will disagree.

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 12:57:51 PM   
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Thanks Firm. I do understand what you said, and I agree she is pretty much as anti-elitist as one can get, and I think if she were not such an intellectual and political lightweight she would probably be a potent candidate, especially if she had a real populist platform. However I think those same positions that she adheres to so bravely are exactly what makes her unelectable. I think the majority of voting America do not hold the same views as she does. I honestly do not think there is any reason to fear her, and to be honest I cannot see why anybody would, nor do I really see how she would undermine the leftist viewpoint in America. Just as there is a "hate-on-Palin" trend on the left, I think that there is a counterbalancing "super-Palin" trend on the right, but they will both fade away. Personally I would be really surprised if she even mounts a credible threat in the primaries for 2012.

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It's a cathartic expression of solidarity for the powerless underlings of the left who wish to experience righteous anger and indignation, and who can safely vent on an object that has been deemed anathema, heretic, and blasphemer.

Sort of like the way the powerless underlings of the right target their rage at Obama?



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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 1:18:56 PM   
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Thanks Firm. I do understand what you said, and I agree she is pretty much as anti-elitist as one can get, and I think if she were not such an intellectual and political lightweight she would probably be a potent candidate, especially if she had a real populist platform. However I think those same positions that she adheres to so bravely are exactly what makes her unelectable. I think the majority of voting America do not hold the same views as she does. I honestly do not think there is any reason to fear her, and to be honest I cannot see why anybody would, nor do I really see how she would undermine the leftist viewpoint in America. Just as there is a "hate-on-Palin" trend on the left, I think that there is a counterbalancing "super-Palin" trend on the right, but they will both fade away. Personally I would be really surprised if she even mounts a credible threat in the primaries for 2012.

She was a Vice Presidential candidate. She was elected Governor of a State. She is on the national scene. Whether or not she has any real possibility of achieving higher office is immaterial.

Their fear is emotional, not rational.


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It's a cathartic expression of solidarity for the powerless underlings of the left who wish to experience righteous anger and indignation, and who can safely vent on an object that has been deemed anathema, heretic, and blasphemer.

Sort of like the way the powerless underlings of the right target their rage at Obama?

Similar, Arpig, yes, although not exactly the same.

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 1:25:20 PM   
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In other words, she's about as anti-elitist as they come in a politician who has gone as far as she has, and her success in her life are a direct challenge to both elitist good-buddy power system, and to the left-wing liberal belief system.

They HAVE to destroy her, to make a lie of her as a model, and to besmirch her beliefs, otherwise everything that they believe, and everything that they wish the rest of America to believe will be undermined. She actually frightens them. And badly.


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The lenght of the Palin threads vs far more interesting and important topics is perfect evidence of this. And your point is an important one. She is frightening to liberals because of her chances of being elected, she is frightening because she is a symbol of conservative values, and it is critical that they demean and destroy those values.

It was just a game wrt to demeaning Dan Quayle who is the first politician I remember being an object of the politics of destruction. With SP they give it an aura of surviva of the liberal worldview.

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/29/2009 9:45:54 PM   
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She is frightening to liberals because of her chances of being elected,
OK, I am generally to be found on the liberal side of debates and I find her amusing, not in any way frightening. As to her chances of being elected....zero, zip, nada. Not going to happen.

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she is frightening because she is a symbol of conservative values,
Oh come on, surely you can do better, find a less ridiculous symbol. She may hold all the correct views but she really isn't national-level political material. She didn't even know what the Bush Doctrine was. I know what that means, Hell anybody with access to google knows what that means. Being able to see some remote uninhabited corner of Russia from some remote uninhabited corner of Alaska (which I am not even sure is true) somehow counts as qualification in foreign affairs? Come on guys. Like I said before if you can't come up with someone better in 2012 then prepare for 4 more years of Obama (and I am as of yet undecided as to if that would be a good or bad thing...things started out on the "good thing" side, but are slipping towards the "bad thing" side more and more).


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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/31/2009 10:32:11 PM   
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I mean what woman likes hunting? What normal woman? I don’t think I’ve ever come across any woman on this website that likes hunting. Most women don’t mention it, and if they do, they don’t like it and describe it as a hard limit.
Sexist crap unworthy of being laid out in any intelligent discussion. You distrust her because she likes to hunt??? What sort of basis is that for judging political worthiness?


it doesn't really matter if it is a man or a woman, people who hunt are more likely to do violent acts towards other humans, whether it is the man or a woman doing the hunting. People who hunt, in general, are more likely to be violent. If you can kill an animal you are more likely to kill a human.

In terms of politics, for me it's relevant as to worthiness because in her case she will end up starting another war with Iran or North Korea, or maybe she would start another Cold War with the godless Russians. In any case, I maintain she's dangerous because she's stupid. I am not personally afraid of her, I think she's a nice lady, it is good that she has compassion in not wanting to abort a baby. But if she believes these Bible prophecies where Jesus is going to come back after some violent events in the Middle East then she is dangerous. Never mind about global warming and her not believing in global warming and destroying the planet. But that's another topic

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RE: Palin Attended Church Event With Samurai Sword Cere... - 7/31/2009 10:36:33 PM   
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it doesn't really matter if it is a man or a woman, people who hunt are more likely to do violent acts towards other humans, whether it is the man or a woman doing the hunting. People who hunt, in general, are more likely to be violent. If you can kill an animal you are more likely to kill a human.
Bull!! Got anything to back that up, or are you just pulling a willbuer?

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In terms of politics, for me it's relevant as to worthiness because in her case she will end up starting another war with Iran or North Korea, or maybe she would start another Cold War with the godless Russians. In any case, I maintain she's dangerous because she's stupid. I am not personally afraid of her, I think she's a nice lady, it is good that she has compassion in not wanting to abort a baby. But if she believes these Bible prophecies where Jesus is going to come back after some violent events in the Middle East then she is dangerous. Never mind about global warming and her not believing in global warming and destroying the planet. But that's another topic
You see, here is where we differ. I don't think she is in the least bit dangerous, as I don't think she has a snowball's chance in Hell of ever being elected to a position of real power.


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