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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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Did anyone ever come up with at least ONE SCARY FACT?  Or are we just all weepy eyed and shivering because of the anal probes or what here?

Eric Cartmann

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

and, just imagine. people get affordable health care. they can actually save money now. more money in their pockets to pay those pesky bills... and they wont be so reliant on charity to help them out. how diabolical!

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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There isn't a place so low that Obama won't go there.

It's just as well. It's where the fight seems to be.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
LOL, the devil made him do it - really, that's pretty good spin. You don't deny any of it because you know you can't, so you just try to shift the blame.

Look, if your guy, if your guy's idea was all that he should be miles ahead in this debate, and he wouldn't have to sink this low to try to pull it out of the fire. He had so much political capital six months ago that with proper management he could have had anything he wanted, and he pissed it all away.

It's all the Republican's fault. Hah!

Count that as one more character issue, laying blame elsewhere for one's own shortcomings.

The buck stops there.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Learn to attack the message, not the messenger - and remember to breathe.

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ORIGINAL: Acer49

This was sent to me this morning from someone who will be directly affected by this. At first I thought it was some sick joke, but from what I am hearing it is very real. And just when I thought those bone heads in Washington could not stoop any lower




Page 425 of Health Care BILL
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O.K. folks - I 'think' this will 'shake us up' - read and listen to the Interview - if THIS does not cause every red-blooded American to contact their Representative, I don't know what will!! It's time for ACTION! Americans!! Both Democrats and Republicans beware.

(If this doesn't make your blood boil........... nothing will!!)
Page 425 of Health Care Bill - Listen to this interview Fred Thompson's Radio Show interviewing Betsy McCaughey (pronounced Mc Coy).

On page 425 it says in black and white that EVERYONE on Social Security , (will include all Senior Citizens and SSI people) will go to MAND ATORY counseling every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your suffering (and your life). Health care will be denied based on age.. 500 Billion will be cut from Seniors healthcare. The only way for that to happen is to drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will be cut first. Paying for your own care will not be an option.

Now, CALL YOUR PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell them to read page 425 if they don't read anything else. Surely some of them have parents..


"ON PAGE 425 OF OBAMA’S HEALTH CARE BILL, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes....They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!"



Shock: Inside the Healthcare Bill


Page 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits 4 you. you have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of benefit levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed

PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue the government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly.

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Government will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Business with payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances and personal records.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of a Doctor's time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission the Government will penalize you.

Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in to Government plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committe. Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultation. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Governmentt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Governmentt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advance care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advance care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from government.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into your marriage

Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Learn to attack the message, not the messenger - and remember to breathe.

Firstly, I wasn't attacking. It was merely an observation. But I see your 'fact' reporting abilities extends to message board posts as well.

Secondly, I see scores of people on these boards attack or pick apart the ridiculous nature of your messages, often with no effect. Day in and day out you post the same misinformation.

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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

Hummm... Obama has a huge ego? Really?

Huh. That's odd... I don't remember Obama saying that "God wanted me to be the President of the United States.".... or that "The war in Iraq is God's crusade into the middle east." But someone said that... who was it? Some President of the US was such an ego that he actually believed that God spoke through him.... Some dumbshit villiage idiot, who drove every business his father handed him, into the ground. Who stayed out of Nam because his Daddy pulled strings.... Oh, yeah, NOW I remember...

George W. Bush.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
No one is forcing you to read my posts - there is an ignore feature. Why not try using it?