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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:06:11 PM   
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Well, the other scenario is, maybe you start talking to someone whose posts you've followed for years in here, so you already have a pretty good idea of what their kinks are and they pretty much know yours.  So the regular old day-to-day non-kinky conversations are easy.  And go on for hours.

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:13:14 PM   
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i guess i could, but i prefer conversation to be able to flow where ever, if someone didnt want to meantion anything kinky for awhile becuase of some shyness about the topic(im shy myself in talking to pretty people about what turns my crank) i would be ok.
i see the one month thing as just a roadblock of where conversation can go, i would exspect who im with to have tact enough to not bring up strapons, scat and branding on the first meeting, if your both comfortable talking about kink a week into things why have a 1 month rule? what if you still arnt ready to talk after a month? i think talk when you and other person seems confortable with it, not in structured timeframes

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:17:03 PM   
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Oh noes! If we can't talk about kink, what in the world will we talk about? I guess there is always the weather... how 'bout that Hurricane Bill?

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:30:58 PM   
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I can see the importance of getting to know each other as individuals, to get to know the broader person and not get locked into "kink only" - but if the person was at all suitable, that would come anyway. My worry would be spending a month  getting to know a person, only to discover at the end we were completely incompatible in our interests and limits in terms of kink. A strong relationship has to work on all levels. I've also come across a situation where it's much harder to broach certain subjects when you have known someone a long time in a vanilla-only context. If I was reasonably satisfied we were compatible, and shared interests, I wouldn't have a problem then taking a break from kink for a month to broaden the relationship.

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:42:04 PM   
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I'm happily owned at the moment... but if I were looking, I guess I could spend a month getting to know a dominant woman without discussing anything kinky if that was what she wanted. I don't think I'd particularly like it, though. To me it would make more sense to discover multiple facets of another person simultaneously, and BDSM preferences are a pretty important facet from my point of view. In my routine conversations with Mistress, BDSM comes up a lot, although often only as a passing allusion. It's just a part of our lives, and it would feel odd not to be able to discuss it freely.

I would also suspect anyone who insisted on a "one month rule" of being uncomfortable with her own kinky desires, or at least of not considering them very important. I don't think either attitude would suit me in a partner. On the other hand, I don't think I could possibly last a month with a woman who never wanted to talk about anything other than kink. It would start to seem one-dimensional and tiresome very quickly. Somewhere between the extremes is good.

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:46:43 PM   
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Been there, done that and have no problems with it and actually I kinda preferred that when I was getting to know Doms.

I wanted to know who they were as a human being..not as someone who couldn't get through life without even the mere mention of kink.

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:48:39 PM   
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i like converstations with anyone to go at their own leisure, not restricted or curbed in any way.  Especially if i'm looking for something serious, whether it be a D/s relationship or a vanilla one, or a combination of both.  LOL, i had been at Steel's house only like two or three times before He whacked me with a flogger.....and we hadn't talked about the possibility of our current relationship in the slightest.  Does that say something about us?  O.o

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:48:41 PM   
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Heck, when i met my Sir, i was the one asking kink questions - because i didn't know much. However, in that first conversation we also discussed religion, books, art, cooking and just about everything else we could think of.

That first conversation pretty much assured me that we were compatible in the ways that mattered to me, and to have imposed an arbitrary time limit would have taken a fair amount of the magic away from what we had/have.  I dove in boots and all, and still haven't come up.

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:50:57 PM   
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Suppose in the "getting to know you" phase (whether it be online, phone or in person), women (or men) imposed a "one month rule."  For one month, there would be no discussions of anything kinky.  Not even a "light discussion of likes and dislikes."  The entire kink thing is pulled OFF the table and it's just about the man and woman and their hobbies, dreams and aspirations.  It's like the "purity ring" of kink; you are saying, "I want to respect and adore my partner as a person first and foremost and then we can start sorting out the kinks after we know we like each other."


Greetings Akasha,

In one way, this idea makes sense, but if you spend an entire month jiving up innocuous interests only to discover your "kink" isn't in sync, what then? I suppose for some, all this is and ever will be is "kink"—in essence, garnish upon a larger plate called a Relationship (big "R"), but for others, it's much more. For this reason, I tend to think the best conversation runs the entire general gamut. For me, it's what level of "security pass" a person I talk with gets in the conversation that changes over time. When it's earned, I'm open to opening up more across the board. This can occur over a period of hours, days or months; it is entirely relative to the two minds involved.

For the above reasons I lean more toward the flexibility of discussing D/s interests alongside other interests and aspirations; it gives me the ability to freely explore all aspects of qualities in another person. I don't need blinders to make things more goof proof. That would be a sad day for my decision making abilities, indeed.

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:52:41 PM   
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It is the way I do it.  In fact the x and I did not discuss kink until I had known him 3 or 4 months online as a buddy.

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 2:59:31 PM   
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That would be pure heaven to me!!! But like others have said, it just doesn't happen that way. Most of the time kink is the main focus of the very first email.

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 3:05:13 PM   
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Steel, I think I am just looking at the subject from an entirely different perspective.

Or, maybe I just get too many wanker emails that make me want to bitch slap the mofo upside the head with a frozen tuna.


Hey, I have a frozen tuna you can borrow -- or a frozen salmon -- got one of those, too...



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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 4:34:44 PM   
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So...let me get this straight:

I would be intentionally amputating a topic of discussion that is crucial to how likely I am to be compatible with someone under the ruse of "getting to know them"?

No, thank you.

This makes no sense and strikes me as prudish weirdness dressed as some pretty, pseudo-chivalric concept of nobility when, in fact, the process would be keeping me from learning about a certain part of someone.

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 4:35:47 PM   
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I could easily do it. Not sure why I'd want to...........luci

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 4:38:40 PM   
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This would work for me if this were merely "something I did." However, it is not. This is "who I am," and as such, I would feel that my potential partner didn't want to know the whole of me if they didn't want to discuss it. Instead of making the relationship deeper, it would make it much more superficial.

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 4:46:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha



Suppose in the "getting to know you" phase (whether it be online, phone or in person), women (or men) imposed a "one month rule."  For one month, there would be no discussions of anything kinky.  Not even a "light discussion of likes and dislikes."  The entire kink thing is pulled OFF the table and it's just about the man and woman and their hobbies, dreams and aspirations.  It's like the "purity ring" of kink; you are saying, "I want to respect and adore my partner as a person first and foremost and then we can start sorting out the kinks after we know we like each other."

Women, would you find this appealing?
Men, would you?

Ladies, if you presented this to a man who contacted you, do you think he would stick around for the 1 month of kink-silence?

Akasha



I couldnt find this appealing at all. The person I am getting to know is a whole person, kinks included. Spending a month getting to know just part of him seems pointless to me. Its up there with spending a month not talking about sports or not discussing religion. They are just as much a part of my life as my kink is, so why would one be better to get to know the "real me" with than another?

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 5:15:09 PM   
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Could I do it? Sure, a month isn't that long. Hang out together and have some fun. While I generally have contempt for arbitrary dating rules of this nature it has always been my position that I need X amount of information about someone new to make any sort of decision about them. What order I find out that information isn't terribly important. I might spend a month getting to know them then find out they don't jive with me on a kink level. We might talk about kink pretty quick and see some real potential only to find out we do not mesh on other levels. It really doesn't matter what order the data comes in to me. I generally don't lobby for "kink chat" right up front, anyway. I can exclude people from the dating pool for a myriad of reasons.





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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 5:43:32 PM   
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I have two goals when I speak to a woman I'm interested in:

1. How fast can I determine if we are compatible?
2. If we ARE compatible, how do I seal the deal?

If I'm meeting someone in a vanilla encounter, I have to let her know that I'm a Dom and it ain't gonna work if she isn't a sub.  If I'm meeting someone from collarme, well, gee, it stated right on her profile that she's submissive.  And I can even play match-up with or respective kinks, without ever having to verbalize it.  So if she's a sub from collarme, I'm going to spend a lot of time seeing if we're compatible outside the bedroom.

When to bring up the good stuff has always been a problem for me.  I've had women freaked out at the horny Dom, and I've had others who ditched me because I was moving too slowly.

But I'll be damned if I'll submit to an arbitrary one month rule.


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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 5:49:41 PM   
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I wouldn't do it. I'd also think the person telling me to do it was stupid. I don't think in a new relationship it's right to censor huge areas of conversation, particularly those that most interest two people attracted to each other. For me, it would put a huge artificial damper on the relationship and I'd feel uncomfortable to the point that I'd probably quickly stop talking to them.

You can, you know, get to know someone equally well by talking about sex. Besides learning about what they enjoy and whether they like things that you like, you get see how playful they are, or creative. Or (one hopes not) repetitious. ;) How they talk about sex tends to tell you as much or even more than what they talk about. Also, other aspects of their personalities emerge in talk about sex that do not in other kind of conversation, as those aspects may be very important to know about early, so that you don't dismiss them early as lacking traits you need, personality wise.

If you're a person who is seeking something very specific or unusual, early conversation about your sexual needs is essential to see if the other person is on the same page as you. If you need certain things as an essential part of a relationship and they happen to be things that lots of people lie about having, then if someone makes you wait an entire month to find out if they have it or are also lying, you are going to be pretty mad at them, no matter which way it turns out. I'm not thinking about random vanilla dating this situation. I'm thinking about a conscious deliberate search for someone or something very specific, often online, and in such searches one of the first things you talk about is whether your impression that this other person meets your needs is true or not. I need to know if a man I'm talking to is as extreme a dominant as I need. I don't trust what he's said on the profile, he's a stranger, remember? And he can say anything there without meaning it. Likewise he shouldn't trust what I say about myself. Istead, we should both TALK about these things, not pretend that something this enormous doesn't exist for 30 days. His talking about nonsexual topics will tell me nothing that I need to know and want to know. At any rate, the point is rather moot, because they people I choose to get to know have never felt this way. I've never once come across "the 30 day rule" online.

Maybe I feel so adamantly about this because I will only talk with one person at a time. I can't multi-task when it comes to dominants. All the rest take a number while I talk to the one I am talking to. So because I don't do "multiple projects" I could lose a lot of time if there is some artificial rule in place censoring me from finding out the things I most need to know. I am extremely flexible when it comes to outside interests and most sexual fetishes as well. Extremely. Flexible. But I do need to get the very essential issue of the nature of their core sexual personality out of the way as quickly as possible. It's the only incompatibility that could deal the nacent relationship a death blow. In bdsm that sexual personality is a rather large part of the person and the relationship. And I just can't relax and be my natural fun submissive self around someone if I don't know if they are the type of dominant I need or not.

I'm talking mostly about meeting people over the internet, obviously, not picking someone up in person. I think that's important to say because there are big differences between the ways you get to know people using these two methods, but even in person a 30 day, no-speakum-sex rule would strike me as incredibly rigid and dumb not to mention a huge waste of time, more often then not, when I discovered at the end of thirty days that here was yet another man not interested in the level and/or nature of relationship I was. No, I wouldn't bring sexual interests up on a first in-person date, but I also would not date someone that hadn't already described themselves as dominant or wasn't giving off very explicit "absolutely no guessing required" dominant signs.

About the outside interests issue: I've always had plenty of things to do and talk about with my partners, plenty of things to share and become passionate over. As well as having a wide repotoire of personal interests, I am quite capable of becoming utterly fascinated by anything my partner is interested in. So like slavekal, I think the "compatible outside interests" thing is something of a dodge. It's nice to know those things and share them but not at the expense of finding out the essentials. Additionally, what's to stop two people from learning about those outside interests and also talking about sexual compatibilty at the same time? One kind of talk doesn't negate the other! If two people share "sexuality, intellect, and temperment," there is just no way in hell they aren't going to have plenty of outside non-sexual things to do together or to talk to each other about, particularly if one of the people is submissive and very curious about all aspects of life (even knitting) if their dominant is into them. ;)

Thanks for starting such an interesting thread, by the way. :)

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RE: The one month rule. How many could do it? - 8/17/2009 5:55:53 PM   
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I see no purpose in it. Equally I see no purpose in solely discussing sex and kink. This is as much a part of my life and who I am as my family, my passions in other areas. I need compatibility that extends throughout my life. But then, I was looking for a life partner, not just a play partner or someone to run with.

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