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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 9:26:19 PM

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Label me as you wish.

Well, just under your name it says PERVERTED.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 10:28:57 PM

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Amayos, would your slave have access to money for emergencies? If, God forbid, something happened to you, would she be able to get money for bills etc? I ask this because, when my father became seriously ill, my mother had problems because HE was the one who paid all the bills and took responsibility for the finances. Luckily they had the foresight to have a joint checking account, even though she never used it until he became too ill. She had to have a crash course from me about writing cheques and using a debit card.

God forbid, indeed!

But to answer your question: Simply, no. Her access to money would be completely taken away. In the event of an emergency, I have arrangements in place to manage finances. If I turn up dead, she is released, of course. ;)

that more than likely Amayos is why You live alone under the guise of 'choosing' to do so because You like Your privacy... *smiles sweetly* also explains why You have at last count just under this thread alone... 4 or was it 5?

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:07:52 PM

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I would suggest that each person maintain their own finances (unless they marry of course) and that the Slave only spend money when and if the Dom approves the spending. She can be tasked with paying certain things on a monthly or regular basis without having to get individual permission each time but anything outside the routine should be brought to the attention of, and approved by the Master.

This is the way I have it set up with my girls. They maintain their accounts and are able to pay monthly bills. Any expenses that are not part of that come to me for approval. I wiegh what they are asking for with whether it's a need or just a want and make a decision from there.

I thinks it's funny to see the people who's submission runs deeper then just lip service. To see who walks the walk and whos is just talk when it comes to their "need to be controlled".

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:14:02 PM

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Ha Amayos, thank's for the laughs man, including Lucky albatross!.

Personally good luck to Y/your STRENGTH on this issue and I question at what stage of the relationship, parameter negoitiation you regard this as correct?! Sorry but I'm incredulous if you consider this (at the very least) when not living together with at least that committment. CONTROL is a wonderous thing when 'healthily' given by a sub to a Dominant but on the balance of expectations of relationships I really question the 'health' of a sub giving their worth of submissiveness based on what could be abused to degradation thru personal poverty. I can see 'News Media' headlines bashing the abuse in sour BDSM relationships putting us all back in the closets as 'sick, perverted sadists etc'

Yes, of course I expect my subs to gain my approval/ratification/evaluation on their decisions re finance and spending as this amplifys their personal acknowledgement of my capabilities/strength to submit (and in the near future as 24/7 under one roof this would not change) but personal assets, income that has no influence over the sharing of bills is just that- T/their asset.

I am not a self -appointed prophet demanding tithings.....

Wow I sometimes enjoy the hilarity in threads! Should I have run off at the mouth through mis-interpretation- kindly clarify this by another posting on this Slavejali/Amayos thread!

A heartly smile and laugh to all.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:18:02 PM

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My sentiments MrDiscipline regards your post, in partic the lip service bit, but it is a flip side to the 'walk the walk' coin also where the other side says Dominant!

Ok, off to a good ol'fash Aussie BBQ

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:19:43 PM

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Driver, no one in this thread said anything about anyone handing over all finances without living together. Not sure where you got that, but i checked the original quote and you don't have to feel incredulous now. ~ grin ~

i did find your post on a different thread quite intriguing, however.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:29:22 PM

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Maybe I'm missing something here but I see nothing wrong with what Amayos has setup for himself. If the man can keep a submissive or slave to where they're needs are covered AND they don't have to work I say more power to him. It doesn't work for me but this doesn't mean it doesn't work at all. Are that it's just an unlivable dream. People need to get off their high horses and realise that you're way of living is only the best for you, not everyone.

Personally I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I believe in the submissive or slave working and bringing in money. Not for "tith to their God" (even I had to laugh at that one) but because if they're seeking my dominance and to be in my house then they will submit totally. That includes finances.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:31:33 PM

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Maybe I'm missing something here but I see nothing wrong with what Amayos has setup for himself. If the man can keep a submissive or slave to where they're needs are covered AND they don't have to work I say more power to him. It doesn't work for me but this doesn't mean it doesn't work at all. Are that it's just an unlivable dream. People need to get off their high horses and realise that you're way of living is only the best for you, not everyone.

Personally I'm at the other end of the spectrum. I believe in the submissive or slave working and bringing in money. Not for "tith to their God" (even I had to laugh at that one) but because if they're seeking my dominance and to be in my house then they will submit totally. That includes finances.

He said nothing about making sure her needs were met.. in fact... he stated if something should happen to him.. she would be released... nothing more.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:39:43 PM

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Nor did he say he wouldn't. Maybe we should ask him.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:46:00 PM

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owned, i have no desire to ask him anything... he was pretty clear on how he treated those that served him...

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:46:21 PM

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God forbid, indeed!

But to answer your question: Simply, no. Her access to money would be completely taken away. In the event of an emergency, I have arrangements in place to manage finances. If I turn up dead, she is released, of course. ;)

You're right he didn't expressly say that he would or does but you're making an assumption that he doesn't or wouldn't. This assumption is really based on nothing more then your skewed preception. Don't you think you should ask this of the man instead of just assuming it about him?

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:47:24 PM

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And just how was anything he said clear about how he treats anyone? Again, you're just assuming based off of nothing.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:49:12 PM

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God forbid, indeed!

But to answer your question: Simply, no. Her access to money would be completely taken away. In the event of an emergency, I have arrangements in place to manage finances. If I turn up dead, she is released, of course. ;)

You're right he didn't expressly say that he would or does but you're making an assumption that he doesn't or wouldn't. This assumption is really based on nothing more then your skewed preception. Don't you think you should ask this of the man instead of just assuming it about him?

"If i turn up dead, she is released, of course ;) "

that's not a skewed perception... that's a direct quote...

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:49:49 PM

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Well, i have no plans to have a dispute about somebody else. But do you realize this entire discussion is hypothetical? i'm responding to you because his posts so closely remind me of things my Master might say and i am treated exactly as i need to be.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/24/2006 11:57:37 PM

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"If i turn up dead, she is released, of course ;) "

that's not a skewed perception... that's a direct quote...

That still does not say anything about how he treats those that serve him. It says nothing about whether he fulfills the basic needs of those that serve him or not. You wish to take the mans words out of context, well........ that your tunnel vision. Obviously you have some sort of issue with this so we'll just leave it at that.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/25/2006 12:04:14 AM

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owned... the problem is... the question was NOT hypothetical for me...

i was very much involved with one EXACTLY like that... every penny i made went to him... we did not live together but we were r/l.. each and every payday he would ask how much my check was for... because i was this wonderful little slave i told him... i then gave it to him...all of it... He never one time asked me if i needed to pay rent... like duh of course i did... did it matter to him? not one bit... were my very basic of needs met? no!! but because i was simply a slave... i had no rights, correct? absolutely... which is why today i have no pictures of my children when they were babies... because of a man EXACTLY as he portrays himself to be... i LOST EVERYTHING... not just a few things... ALL OF IT except the clothes on my back when i got the call telling me i was being evicted... now... i no longer trust ANYONE that wants complete financial control of anyone...

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/25/2006 12:14:47 AM

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i understand you were abused, and that is dreadful. i understand there is pain and anger left over as a result. Nothing i post is intented to belittle that.

However, having been the victim of abuse myself, i learned after awhile if i equated what other people said to what i went through....if i assumed everyone was exactly like my abuser(s), then i would never move forward. Had i judged my Master along with the men in my past....well, he would not have tolerated that and we would not have survived. i was warned.

The question, as it was posed on the bored, was an honest inquiry. The reply that is disturbing to you was a hypothetical reply. He clearly stated his slaves do not live with him and were not likely to, but if they did... He also said provisions would be made to manage finances. That may include the slaves, it may not. Regardless, it is not a real situation, as stated.

Based on this latest post of yours, i get the impression you are responding to your abuser, not to a hypothetical answer on a discussion board.

Truly i am sorry you suffered as you did. i do not wish that on anybody, and i know the difficulties of recovering from abuse. i do wish you peace.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/25/2006 12:34:11 AM

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The question, as it was posed on the bored, was an honest inquiry. The reply that is disturbing to you was a hypothetical reply. He clearly stated his slaves do not live with him and were not likely to, but if they did... He also said provisions would be made to manage finances. That may include the slaves, it may not. Regardless, it is not a real situation, as stated.

i assume that he responded honestly... hypothetical or otherwise... he responded as he would regardless...

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/25/2006 12:53:25 AM

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He said nothing about making sure her needs were met.. in fact... he stated if something should happen to him.. she would be released... nothing more.

I'm not an Amayos fan by any stretch of the imagination, however, credit where credit is due.

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Still, financial domination has become quite popular. I can see the sadistic appeal in leaving someone with little more than what they need to exist—only so they can make it to the next week to give you more. This would just be deliciously cruel, but I would not treat a possession of mine that I cared about like this.

That leads me to believe that the welfare of his slaves is important to him and they are 'more' than the pots and pans. Any Master who doesn't take care of the basic needs of their slaves, simply loses those slaves. Seems counter-productive and rather foolish to allow that to happen, and Amayos does not strike me as a foolish individual. Clearly, the needs of his slaves are taken into thoughtful consideration.

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RE: Financial Decisions - 2/25/2006 5:57:25 AM

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I'm not getting the whole "Need to have an escape route" idea here.

5 years ago I was in a relationship with a Master who took control of all my money, I had NO access to finances at all. It got to the point where I had to get away from him due to abuse going on in the relationship and couldn't.

He found out that i was planning on leaving him and left me tied to his bed for five days.

I was lucky i had a good good friend interstate who found out somehow what was going on and then opened a bank account put money in it and then send me the debit card and pin to my uni so that i could get away.

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