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LPslittleclip -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 7:45:45 AM)

i have only met a few different dynamics and so far the ones that are Female led do tend to be more deeply attached and they seem very proud of their boys. i have met a few Male led relationships that were more nurturing and loving than the stereotype suggests. i think it is more based on how the Dominant was raised and what They expect from their subs than a mere gender basis.




MarcEsadrian -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 7:53:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
I think women are much more likely to take on a male sub for play or domestic duties and leave out all the relationship and sex stuff than a man but when she does form a relationship with a male sub then its hugely different.


Generally agreed, though with perhaps a small caveat: many dominant men are willing to take on a submissive female for sexual and domestic use and leave out most of the relationship stuff. It seems many women have a tendency to fear and avoid the hint of that arrangement from the outset, however.




allthatjaz -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 7:56:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian


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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
I think women are much more likely to take on a male sub for play or domestic duties and leave out all the relationship and sex stuff than a man but when she does form a relationship with a male sub then its hugely different.


Generally agreed, though with perhaps a small caveat: many dominant men are willing to take on a submissive female for sexual and domestic use and leave out most of the relationship stuff. It seems many women have a tendency to fear and avoid the hint of that arrangement from the outset, however.


Yep because a lot of women have a fear of being used (in the negative sense)




MarcEsadrian -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 8:32:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz


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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian


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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
I think women are much more likely to take on a male sub for play or domestic duties and leave out all the relationship and sex stuff than a man but when she does form a relationship with a male sub then its hugely different.


Generally agreed, though with perhaps a small caveat: many dominant men are willing to take on a submissive female for sexual and domestic use and leave out most of the relationship stuff. It seems many women have a tendency to fear and avoid the hint of that arrangement from the outset, however.


Yep because a lot of women have a fear of being used (in the negative sense)


Most certainly, and the biological reasons behind that fear of "being used" seem fairly obvious to me.

As for the submissive male, it would appear a little different upon a first glance.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 8:59:04 AM)

Thinking back to all the female dominants I've met and observed over the years, I can recall a VERY few who were of the "men are slime" persuasion.  Actually, I might be overstating that number.  I've seen a fair amount of "crawl, bitch" roleplay, but in terms of the day to day relationship, the women that I know are proud of their men, and very strongly attached to them.  Perhaps this says more about the women I know than the total group of female dominants, but I am inclined to doubt it!





MarcEsadrian -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 9:07:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

There are some female-led relationships which have an ideological basis:  some variation on the female supremacist fantasy which is analogous to the male supremacist Gor fantasy.  I would agree with the general consensus which says that male and female dominance are almost identical in character, though, with much more variation within a single gender than you see differences between genders.

I also think you can take the sociological perspective, however, and point to broad social trends and culturally common differences between men and women which might cause male and female dominance to diverge.  The model I've used recently tends to assume that both male and female dominants are identical in the sense that both men and women use their dominant role to in a relationship have a submissive partner meet their most important needs.  Where they sometimes differ is where men and women in our society tend to PERCEIVE a need to exist, or perceive a need to be important...or where they regard it appropriate to have certain needs met by your submissive partner, to prove your power over him/her and their devotion to you.

Do male dominants focus more on sexual submission and control than female dominants do?  Absolutely.  I would argue, however, that this is because they have a much greater need to assert themselves sexually because they are men.  Male sexuality is traditionally devalued in our society; access to a male body for sexual use is not considered anything special, and in fact in many ways male sexual desire and male bodies are actually given a NEGATIVE value--it is assumed that sex with a man is so undesirable that men should have to pay to give it away.

Male dominants often turn these stereotypes upside-down and twist them as a road to power.  Precisely because they are men, they have a need to assert themselves sexually which is culturally defined and enforced. Male dominant power-play exists in dialogue with an overall female tendency in our society to protect oneself from exploitation as a sexual object, and to place some kind of premium on one's sexuality--to give it worth.  Women are culturally trained to resist being sexual with every man who comes along, to fend off sex unless they are offered some kind of value in exchange.  So men are culturally inclined to assert their power and worth as men by overcoming or demolishing these defenses.  Hence the form of humiliation which an earlier poster mentioned, in which male dominants go to the extreme of forcing their femme subs to have sex with multiple partners.  This is a deliberate tactic to degrade the woman's cultural tendency to value or to "own" and control her own body.  He proves his power by demonstrating that his woman will not only submit to him, but that he can make her a completely powerless sexual object for ANY man's use.

By contrast?  In our society, the value that women place on their bodies, men place on their wallets.  (Probably because both a man's money and a woman's body represent equally significant wellsprings of self-esteem, personal power and identity/ego.)  There are some women who feel the need to shatter the male ego by financial dominance and humiliation, just as some men feel the need to shatter the female ego with sexual objectification.  Is it always specifically about money and personal greed?  Not necessarily.  I think the money becomes a symbol of power and specifically it becomes an avenue of resistance for men--just as women are trained not to be used sexually, men are trained not to be used financially in this culture.

And let's face one little fact straight up front, folks:  there is something about resistance that certain sadistic personalities find innately attractive.  The very fact that you shriek and holler "no" makes them smile and say "Oh, I think yes".

*shrug*  Dominants are dominants, and dominants are people.  I don't think there is any one principle that applies to all female-led relationships.  But I do think there are issues that might surround female-led relationships that have to take place in a certain cultural context.  Like, say, the English-speaking world of the early 21st century.  [;)]



Shakti, just wanted to add, after having digested your words here several times, that what you have written above is excellently organized and stated.




thishereboi -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 10:36:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Thinking back to all the female dominants I've met and observed over the years, I can recall a VERY few who were of the "men are slime" persuasion.  Actually, I might be overstating that number.  I've seen a fair amount of "crawl, bitch" roleplay, but in terms of the day to day relationship, the women that I know are proud of their men, and very strongly attached to them.  Perhaps this says more about the women I know than the total group of female dominants, but I am inclined to doubt it!




I would have to agree going by the women I have actually met. However if your talking about on CM, then yes I have seen many profiles from female dominants who state they think men are below slime. Of course I have seen an equal number of profiles from male subs who state they think they lower than slime so provided they hook up with each other, it should be all good.




SaharahEve -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 12:29:10 PM)

I agree [;)]




kccuckoldmist -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 1:20:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Thinking back to all the female dominants I've met and observed over the years, I can recall a VERY few who were of the "men are slime" persuasion.  Actually, I might be overstating that number.  I've seen a fair amount of "crawl, bitch" roleplay, but in terms of the day to day relationship, the women that I know are proud of their men, and very strongly attached to them.  Perhaps this says more about the women I know than the total group of female dominants, but I am inclined to doubt it!




I would have to agree going by the women I have actually met. However if your talking about on CM, then yes I have seen many profiles from female dominants who state they think men are below slime. Of course I have seen an equal number of profiles from male subs who state they think they lower than slime so provided they hook up with each other, it should be all good.




I think this is confusing women that come onto a site like this to play and vent man hating feelings in some delusional form of role playing from female dominants that live it in a real life way.

Also want to add that I thought ShaktiSama post was just phenomenal!




Acer49 -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 1:44:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

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ORIGINAL: Acer49
Well there are basically two type of female dominants there is the group whose profile suggest that they are soft, but firm , caring and nurturing and then there are those profiles which go to great lengths to let their reader know that they view the male submissive as less than slime

There seems to be a double standard. If a male dominant were to treat a female in the way that some females treat the male submissive, they would be tarred and feathered, but when the female does it, she is congratulated by her peers.

It appears that the female dominant are much more focused on humiliation, objectification and degradation than their male counterparts, but this appears to be what female dominants feel dominance and submission is all about

Female dominants seemed more inclined to push limits then their male counterparts when it comes to scenes that involve pain, their statement,” Well he is a man, he should be able to handle it”
Female dominants are usually not interested in sexual relationships with their submissives and some go to great lengths to point that out, using their sex as a torture device on the male submissives. The male dominant, on the other hand, uses sex as his main focus. Women are more inclined to loan their submissives out then their male counterparts,

This begs the question, Are the women behind those profiles as cold and unfeeling as they are portrayed. Are submissives males as weak and spineless as they appear? Are both just projecting an image they think that each other wants to see?



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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Acer..... much of what you say I agree with. I think fem Dommes can come over as hard nosed bitches and I agree that the female submissive would neither cope or stand for a lot of Domly womens ways.

I think women are much more likely to take on a male sub for play or domestic duties and leave out all the relationship and sex stuff than a man but when she does form a relationship with a male sub then its hugely different.
I have read many posts on these boards of fem Dommes that have submissive male partners and one can read quite clearly the combination of love, excitement, adoration and pride those women have in there submissive male.
We also pick up from others, the protection and care they give there (non relationship) submissive men but can still be incredibly hard on them and lead them with an iron fist.

There is a huge difference between picking someone up for a bit of fun and finding the one. When that special one comes along its deep, its meaningful and its fu_k_ng orgasmic.



I agree and found a bit of Acer49s concepts to be overgeneralized.  I know multiple folk in F/m relationships and pretty much every one of them is a Love relationship with a capital "L".

I guess I see one difference in Female led relationships in the dychotomy of the "useless worm" Domme and the "nurturing sadista" Domme, and the fact that you just don't see a lot of the first type in Male led realtionships.   We in the "West" and as a culture just do not overtly demean women in that way. 

I think it goes back to Shakti's post about breaking down socialized perceptions of one's self as a path to submission.

What about playing the field?  My perception of Male dominants is that (generalization ahead!) by and large, they play/have multiple partners/submissives/slaves/bottoms...whereas most Female dominants I know have only one - with a salute to Miss Starlett who clearly breaks this mold.  [:)]

Dunno...maybe I am getting over-generalized here too...(adjust epilets on shoulders and polishes the little stars [;)])

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I agree and found a bit of Acer49s concepts to be overgeneralized. I know multiple folk in F/m relationships and pretty much every one of them is a Love relationship with a capital "L".

I guess I see one difference in Female led relationships in the dychotomy of the "useless worm" Domme and the "nurturing sadista" Domme, and the fact that you just don't see a lot of the first type in Male led realtionships. We in the "West" and as a culture just do not overtly demean women in that way.

I think it goes back to Shakti's post about breaking down socialized perceptions of one's self as a path to submission.

What about playing the field? My perception of Male dominants is that (generalization ahead!) by and large, they play/have multiple partners/submissives/slaves/bottoms...whereas most Female dominants I know have only one - with a salute to Miss Starlett who clearly breaks this mold.

Dunno...maybe I am getting over-generalized here too...(adjust epilets on shoulders and polishes the little stars )

< Message edited by OttersSwim -- 9/18/2009 6:17:26 AM >


No, I disagree, men try to play, but the women bring them home. The male submissive needs the female Dom more than the female needs them, there are countless profiles that speak of the females doms having many subs, Where as female subs, they for the most part, will not tolerate multple partners.




Lockit -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 1:54:31 PM)

Does that mean that more male submissive's will go poly than female submissive's? That men will tolerate more than female's will?

Such silliness.

Stop and think about that for a bit. I am not going to aruge it... but would like to point out that there are so called professional collector's out there that collar submissive's... a new bunch each week. I don't really count those as real data in the number's game.

I just want one... and yes, to bring him home and of course I get to be boss.




MarcEsadrian -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/18/2009 2:18:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Acer49

No, I disagree, men try to play, but the women bring them home. The male submissive needs the female Dom more than the female needs them, there are countless profiles that speak of the female doms having many subs, Where as female subs, they for the most part, will not tolerate multiple partners.


Agreed, somewhat. Male "submissives" undoubtedly roll with the principle of least interest working against them far better than female submissives, but as their time and resources become more and more consumed in service, you will often see in them a growing resentment toward and competition against rivals, as well an interest in pressuring the Mistress to commit to some semblance of an exclusive relationship. In that sense, many male and female "submissives" share a similarity; the end game is often bent toward being the one-and-only, but the stratagems males and females use are different. I tend to feel females are simply more overt about exclusivity because they can be; they have what men want, and they know it...at least in the beginning.

Then of course, you have a thin minority who really live in service to others without possessive ultimatums. I find that group far more authentic, albeit impoverished, but perhaps that's just me.






allthatjaz -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/19/2009 2:34:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Thinking back to all the female dominants I've met and observed over the years, I can recall a VERY few who were of the "men are slime" persuasion.  Actually, I might be overstating that number.  I've seen a fair amount of "crawl, bitch" roleplay, but in terms of the day to day relationship, the women that I know are proud of their men, and very strongly attached to them.  Perhaps this says more about the women I know than the total group of female dominants, but I am inclined to doubt it!




I would have to agree going by the women I have actually met. However if your talking about on CM, then yes I have seen many profiles from female dominants who state they think men are below slime. Of course I have seen an equal number of profiles from male subs who state they think they lower than slime so provided they hook up with each other, it should be all good.



I agree.... Do you think though, that perhaps they do this because they think that's what the man/sub wants to hear? Like I said before, so many women, especially escorts are getting into the practices of Mistressing because its better money. If you speak to any joblogshasntgotaclue about female domination, they seem to think its all about women that treat men like worthless cretins that are only good for licking the toilet seat.

I read a profile from a male Dominant the other day. He stated that whoever he takes on will be expected to give up there own family and even ums if he so desires but towards the end of his profile he states how important it is that she fits in with his family and his ums. This was clearly from someone who doesn't have a clue what Dominance is all about. Just as his profile was a means to an end (finding an unpaid mother and housekeeper), many of these Domme profiles have only one agenda and thats money.




thishereboi -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/19/2009 8:08:06 AM)

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I agree.... Do you think though, that perhaps they do this because they think that's what the man/sub wants to hear?


Yea I think so. Of course it turns off those who are not into heavy humiliation, so I am not sure it's a good idea, but if it works for them. More power to them.

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I read a profile from a male Dominant the other day. He stated that whoever he takes on will be expected to give up there own family and even ums if he so desires but towards the end of his profile he states how important it is that she fits in with his family and his ums. This was clearly from someone who doesn't have a clue what Dominance is all about. Just as his profile was a means to an end (finding an unpaid mother and housekeeper), many of these Domme profiles have only one agenda and thats money.


I think I saw that one. I wonder how it's working for him?




thishereboi -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/19/2009 8:10:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kccuckoldmist


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Thinking back to all the female dominants I've met and observed over the years, I can recall a VERY few who were of the "men are slime" persuasion.  Actually, I might be overstating that number.  I've seen a fair amount of "crawl, bitch" roleplay, but in terms of the day to day relationship, the women that I know are proud of their men, and very strongly attached to them.  Perhaps this says more about the women I know than the total group of female dominants, but I am inclined to doubt it!




I would have to agree going by the women I have actually met. However if your talking about on CM, then yes I have seen many profiles from female dominants who state they think men are below slime. Of course I have seen an equal number of profiles from male subs who state they think they lower than slime so provided they hook up with each other, it should be all good.




I think this is confusing women that come onto a site like this to play and vent man hating feelings in some delusional form of role playing from female dominants that live it in a real life way.



Actually it was pointing out that I have seen some female dominant profiles that claim they think men are less than slime. It had nothing to do with people I have met in the real world and wasn't comparing anyone to anyone else.




nanshakh -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/20/2009 7:46:32 PM)

I don' think there are a few differences between female and male dominance. I think there only are differences.

Although I found many of the posts that tend to demonstrate the contrary very interesting and well argued, and I enjoyed reading them even if I don't agree.

Yet I only want to point at one difference: Fetishism.
Fetishism exists more in relation to everything that is feminine rather than masculine. Hence, feminine fashion is infinitely more varied and sophisticated than masculine fashion. I think as a rule, the masculine fashion industry is about one tenth of the feminine one.

Is it because women are objects? hardly. Women pay more attention to their beauty. Whatever effort has been made in our society to make men, and even young boys, pay more attention to their clothes and their looks and mainly, pay more money for it, at best it succeeded in making them more self conscious, and more attentive to their appearance for social reasons. Women are more attentive to their beauty, not just their appearance. It is a partition much more varied and played on more subtly. And it has mostly always been so throughout history. And women fashion is fetishist, it has always been so, it will always be so, any type of feminine fashion uses and plays with fetishes, whether it is conservative or provocative. Whether the majority of women are conscious of it or not, the clothes designers are. Look at that fascinating universe. Look at the catalogues, look at the little shops or the departments stores, look at the fashion designers, the fashion weeks, the catwalks, even the few fashion museums. The new collections coming out are prime time news. The men? oh yes, there is a fashion for men too, a sort of back alley. And then, how can you keep selling expensive clothes to men? you can sell them what they need according to their social status, and there it stops. You can propose 3 main genres to them: formal/business, trendy weekend/leisure stuff, and sport. The few messages the most coquettish men can send with their clothes are minimal, basic: I'm self conscious, I have money and good taste to spend it, and I conform with the trend. Women? it's a galaxy, one cannot see the end of it. Women do not wear fashion, they wear a universe that reflects who they want to be, who they want to attract, how they want to be noticed -or not. There are such infinite and delicate variations in the assembly of their attire, for whatever occasion, that women can send a combination of signals and hints and plays on these variations in an always renewed way.
Just try to play that partition with masculine fashion!

Two women can be furious because they accidentally wear the same evening dress; imagine if men were horrified because they spotted another guy wearing a similar suit!
One of the key differences: fetishes. Men wear clothes, women wear fetishes.

And, it so happens that fetishism plays quite a role in D/s relationships. In fact there is no real boundary between the world of female domination attires and vanilla fashion. Amusingly, one influences the other, both ways! It always remains feminine fashion. It's just fashion, it's just fetishism.

Female domination has always existed. Always in mostly male dominated societies, but it has always existed. Hardly tolerated, only hinted at sometimes. So for it to appear to blossom in the open is very new, hence the comparison with male domination is biased, if only because male domination was so far ipso facto dubbed 'normal'. But it's amusing to see what female domination has accomplished in so short a time, for instance, in creating a fashion and fetishism of its own. It's amazing how the trend for female domination has created a look for the dominant woman, a look that is not at all stereotyped and coarse and vulgar, contrary to what many people pretend. In fact dominant women can dress exactly as they like, and yet use the fetishism of feminine fashion to turn their attire, be it a business suit or a blue jean and blouse, into something suggestive of their dominance. Or they can wear amazing attire, 'classic' femdom attire, but always do it in an original and elegant way. Look at dominant men trying to wear fetish attire that are supposed to reflect their dominance? usually it only seems like they are trying to imitate dominant women. I find this fact significant. If anything the world of maledom in bdsm is rather limited compared to that of femdom, but it is already borrowing its dress codes and symbolism from it.

I think that's because women are beautiful. Now who's chuckling? :) - Oh yes, sure, men can be good looking, very good looking even. Women can be much more than that. That's why feminine beauty fascinates as much men as other women, women who are not sexually attracted to the same sex, but are sensitive to feminine beauty.

Women can wear anything, and transform it into something else, into something that is more than just a piece of garment. They can transform it into an object inhabited by their femininity, an object that becomes itself feminine.
Try to see a maledom do that with his clothes. :)

And the personalisation of feminine accessories into fetishes plays an enormous role in female domination. When it does with male domination, it's because it is imitating the power of fetishes in female domination.

Look at whips. They have existed since antiquity. They were rather ugly coarse portable torture instruments handy to hurt without harming excessively slaves and animals. To suit different applications, whips have been specialised through time, yet remaining basically that: functional tools. And then the women start using whips, and look what they do with them! First in craftsmanship. Since the time women have needed whips to climb on horses, they transformed them into a variety of elegant, expensive and lovely accessories. When dominant women have started using whips, they lent a whole new meaning to them. A woman carries her whip like a scepter, or like a weapon; like a fashion accessory and even like a jewel. But she always carries it like a feminine attribute, and a symbol of her power. So far, men had always carried a whip as they would have done a spear or a gun or an axe.

And I know I'm being long, so I won't even talk about shoes or boots!
It's not so much men who are fetishists, it's rather women who have that power to domesticate objects, fashion them, stylise them and turn them into jewelled symbols reflecting their femininity, into weapons of seduction, and power. By doing so, they create artefacts that can keep haunting and seducing even when they are not present! That's an art. Not a masculine art. And this art dominant women use it indifferently on men as well as on other women. Just in the same way that women's use of fashion and power of seduction has always been directed indiscriminately at women and men together.

I used that example to highlight what seems to me the fundamental difference between feminine and masculine domination. I think male domination is always limited; it is basically brutal and coarse, even for the most subtle and manipulative ones. Feminine domination is more all encompassing. Women dominate more affectively, even those who like to degrade completely their slaves. Male domination is inevitably linked to a form of physical subjugation. Instead women seduce into submission, with a paraphernalia of weapons that men could never dream of.

Nanshakh




pinnipedster -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/20/2009 10:02:02 PM)

My impression is that Female dominants are more likely to stress that they are looking for service-oriented submissives.  I suspect, though, that this may be because they've run into a lot of male "submissives" who think their duties will be entirely sexual, that the submission won't go outside the playroom/bedroom.  

One Domme friend of mine said once that she was a little perplexed to receive email from male subs who seemed to think that by saying they were willing to lick pussy for hours at a time or be fucked with a strap on, they were making a great offer.  I think that's because they see it from the male perspective.  Heck, I'm a sub myself, but if I got an email from a woman who said she would suck my cock any time I wanted her to, it would be pretty appealing. :)  I think it partly goes back to the idea that for a man, getting sex whenever he wants it is a pretty good accomplishment -- but for a woman, just finding sex is less of an issue.  And that men are brought up more or less expecting some kinds of service from women, in the domestic department -- despite the advances of feminism, women still usually do more than their share of the housework.   

So I don't know if it's so much that women are more interested than men in service, as that they realize they have to stress it more from the outset.




LadyPact -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/22/2009 11:03:35 AM)

As for actual differences, I think pin pointed out one of the major ones.  Damn near any woman on the planet who chooses to be sexually active can be just that.  It's not difficult and it has nothing to do with either power or authority.

While there are a number of differences depending on which gender is leading the relationship and depending on the actual person doing so, it's always been My opinion that we as female Dominants should have the same standards as our male counterparts.  This isn't always the case and that tends to get on My nerves a bit.  We tend to not hold the bar as high in some circumstances.  I'm going to use an example to illustrate My point.

About a month ago, there were two different threads on sections of the boards.  One was in the general section asking if there was a difference between a Mistress and a Dominant.  The other was in the Master's section, asking if all male Dominants were considered Masters.  The thread in the Master's section brought forth some interesting answers about what constitutes a person being a Master.  Things such as leading a M/s dynamic, having total authority over another human being, obtaining a certain skill level, etc.  That didn't happen when the same question was asked when applied to the female gender.  All it seems a female Dominant needs to do is self proclaim herself a Mistress and that is good enough.  No experience necessary, void where prohibited.

The very same thing happens on a lot of topics.  I've watched it happen over and over.  Just sit back and read the next two threads that come from a male who is 20 who wants to call himself a Master.  People will be all over him because he hasn't Mastered anything yet.  Let a female Dominant of the same age say the same thing and people are on the happy train that there's a new "Mistress" in town.  It happens over and over and make no mistake, we do contribute to it.  For the record, this isn't just a net thing.  It's a real life thing, too.

As long as it continues, there will always be those who see us as less because we are not holding ourselves  to the same standards as men.  I refuse to be a part of that and I wish more Dommes felt the same way.






LadyHibiscus -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/22/2009 1:54:40 PM)

I am right with you, LP! 




GoddessImaginos -> RE: Principles of a Female Led Relationship (9/22/2009 1:56:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am right with you, LP! 


Second that..




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