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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/5/2006 4:41:07 PM   
krys


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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/5/2006 5:29:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the case of divorce, you are dealing with people whose lives are broken, expecting you to fix them, and it ain't doable. There will be no justice, no fair and equitable, no nothing of the sort. So this only leaves you with finding any money that there may be on the table and getting your hands on it, instead of someone else. For the love of christ, man; if you have any self-respect whatsoever, consider becoming a crack-whore or stand on a street-corner and suck cock for a couple bucks a pop, at least you will be doing marginally useful work in society.


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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/5/2006 6:44:09 PM   
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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/5/2006 7:14:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear krys,

This is just next in line and directed at the OP. I posted it in order, I had hoped the context would have indicated that.

Sorry for any anxious moments this might have caused you.

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/5/2006 7:39:48 PM   
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hi MisstoYou; what the hell? is the bar full of kinksters? LOL.


I'm three for three....i've met three Dom's r/t from collarme....and they have all been attorneys!

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/5/2006 8:19:54 PM   
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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/5/2006 9:35:21 PM   
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hi MisstoYou; what the hell? is the bar full of kinksters? LOL.


I'm three for three....i've met three Dom's r/t from collarme....and they have all been attorneys!


LOL... Master is a prison guard... clients might be some of the same... lmao

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/8/2006 1:50:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to jump on the fence here, as per my usual fashion.

Doubtless lawyers do a lot of harm, but also they do a lot of good. All the people that we read our true crime stories about would not be there if it were not for the skill of lawyers. I think it balances out.

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/8/2006 2:14:11 PM   
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Doubtless lawyers do a lot of harm, but also they do a lot of good. All the people that we read our true crime stories about would not be there if it were not for the skill of lawyers. I think it balances out.


There are good and bad lawyers. There are good and bad politicians... well, maybe not. Anyway, the point of the whole lawyer thing is when they stop working for their clients and begin working just to buy a Lexus. I do not think that lawyers shouldn't own a nice car or anything else like that, but it is the means in which they obtain their money that falls into question. They are supposed to represent the best interests of their clients and in doing so should do the work they were hired to do and not complicate matters. Divorce lawyers are mostly a loathsome bunch that feed off of the negativity between two people to line their own pockets. They make unnecessary legal motions that result in court appearances. They normally do not try to reach an equitable solution to the marital assets and if they do try, a good amount of the time, that ends up in court also. There are many things that could be settled without the intervention of the courts, but court is where the lawyers make their most money and therefore there are few things settled outside of court.

Divorce is a terrible thing and you do need legal representation for the most part to protect your interests. Causing more friction where there is no need to do so is not the lawyers job but sadly this happens more than it doesn't.

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/8/2006 3:15:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol. Gauge, your representation of the process, simply based on My experiences, is inaccurate. There are Laws behind everything that is done and when you end up in Court, you end up in Court for a reason.

Mediation is there, true. You can divide assets and ascertain the custody of the children. However normally it is the COUPLE, and NOT the lawyer, who drags the process before the Courts.

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/8/2006 4:43:21 PM   
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lol. Gauge, your representation of the process, simply based on My experiences, is inaccurate. There are Laws behind everything that is done and when you end up in Court, you end up in Court for a reason.

Mediation is there, true. You can divide assets and ascertain the custody of the children. However normally it is the COUPLE, and NOT the lawyer, who drags the process before the Courts.


While I have the highest respect for your viewpoint based on your own experiences, I have been around the legal profession all of my life. There are far more bastard barristers out there than there are lawyers with good ethical practices. This is not to say that all lawyers are bad, in no way have I meant to imply that. Judging on your own experience with your divorce you had a very amicable one and suffered little through the legal process. The horror stories far outweigh the stories like yours.

I would agree that a good amount of the time it is the clients that are acting like children but manipulation of that is quite easy to do also. My ex's lawyer has caused problems where there were no problems. I have been to court and had the judge look at my ex's lawyer and ask, "Why are you here?" Abusing the process simply for financial gain is unethical and wrong.

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/8/2006 5:16:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heh. I am sure the rogues are out there, like there are in every profession, including My own. It is just that most of the time I do not see there being a problem. Being a big pain in the touche to the Courts does not exactly go in your favor.

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/9/2006 11:37:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am also a lawyer....used to do lots of divorces. The reality is that unless you want to get up to speed on all of it, a complicated case with custody issues is NOT the way to begin. You will lose lots of sleep and your client will get screwed.


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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/9/2006 12:26:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are good and bad lawyers, good and bad cops, ethical and unethical salesmen, fair and unfair judges...

People are people.

No matter how 'civil' a divorce is, it's always nasty.

It breaks hearts, destroys families, and devastates dreams...it often takes away your best friend, your lover, and your favorite person to argue with all at the same time...

I think everyone has a fair chance in court, male or female. You have to know the law, and how to stand up for yourself. (or have a lawyer who does)

Good luck Gauge. You seem like a very nice person.

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/9/2006 1:03:44 PM   
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Good luck Gauge. You seem like a very nice person.


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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/10/2006 1:39:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Give Me a break, guys! All these generalizations sound like a lot of sour grapes.
In My case, I did not have an attorney and neither did he. After much feet dragging on his part regarding the paperwork, we landed in court 18 months later. I wanted no alimony, and just requested the child support according to state formula.
He whined about the fact that I was living with someone. Yes, My submissive was living with Me by then, and no, he did not know the nature of the relationship. It was not his business.
He was given an opportunityu to write to the judge regarding his reasoning for a lower child support amount. He wrote emotionally with nothing to back himself up. I responded, per the judge's order, with facts and figures. I won.
What is wrong with that? I did not win because I was a woman. I did not win because I had the kids. He definitely wanted it that way. I was the one who picked up the kids and brought over food and meds when he had the flu (during a visitation weekend), while his "fiancee" sat comfortably at her own home. I allowed him to use the mortgage and the kids as deductions on income tax every single year, since My income was not taxable at that time. I was the one who took over the kids' life insurance policies when he decided that there was not enough cash value left to automatically pay the premiums and was going to let them lapse. All this was in direct opposition to the orders set out in the decree. *shrugs*
Sometimes ya just gotta bite the bullet and do what seems the best at the time. Why get into a fight over it?
I will say that I have found it to be much more common for the man to have hidden assets and try to weasel out of financial responsiblities.
What can I say, cloudboy...I always believe that the truth, backed up by facts, is the best way to go. I generally have a distaste for people who try to use loopholes or bend the law to sway a judge to get a "higher than normal" award. Maybe you think your client deserves it. My opinion only would be that you need to earn your fee by digging up the facts. That way you can prove your case for a "just reward".
Of course, as always, YMMV!

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/10/2006 2:01:33 PM   
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In My case, I did not have an attorney


neither did this slave. it was pretty easy actually. this slave didn't spend one minute in court. He wanted out. so this slave told him what to have his lawyer draw up on paper for her to agree to, file it and send it on. went to a notary and had this slave's signature witnessed and mailed off the papers. that and a short waiting period of less than a year and ALL marital assets, debts, property accumulated, and the last name he gave this slave were legally ALL his, while both unmentionables went to this slave 100% legal and physical~no alimony was requested and the court set his support obligation at $100 per month.

sorry to burst the bubble that it's always nasty and the poor guy always gets reamed. he got what he wanted. this slave got what she wanted.


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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/10/2006 3:47:38 PM   
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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/10/2006 10:19:54 PM   
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Give Me a break, guys! All these generalizations sound like a lot of sour grapes.


Right... I am just an embittered male that got totally screwed in his divorce and I am the only one. There is no other like me. Every other man has had things go their way... I am alone and on an island.

Sorry about that rant but my sarcasm got the best of me.

If I really wanted to lay out all the details of what went down even AFTER my divorce was final you would think I was joking or making things up to support my viewpoint. I just will not lay out my life on an Internet message board to prove that I got shafted. I am not alone... there are too many other stories like mine to make me think that I am wrong in my statements.

Other people might have had decent experiences, if there is such a thing regarding a divorce. I have not yet had a male tell me that they came out OK and everything was fair. I have heard some women say that also, but the percentage is far lower for women than it is men.

Don't call my situation "sour grapes" unless you know the details.

Edited to say: I am sorry that I sound caustic and angry. That is not normally like me. I am usually more diplomatic than that.

< Message edited by Gauge -- 3/10/2006 10:21:52 PM >

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RE: Nasty Divorce -- Your Experience - 3/10/2006 11:20:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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Give Me a break, guys! All these generalizations sound like a lot of sour grapes.


<snipped>Don't call my situation "sour grapes" unless you know the details.

Edited to say: I am sorry that I sound caustic and angry. That is not normally like me. I am usually more diplomatic than that.


*Smiles* I know it isn't like you, and you weren't the only one! I can understand that some people do get a raw deal. I just worry about the huge generalizations.
I had a strong feeling you would come back to Me on that one. And it's okay.
Divorce is a very emotional issue. I know just as many ladies who have gotten the short end of the stick. I also realize that My use of the term "sour grapes" was probably not the best choice. I am sure the men who have been screwed in the divorce courts have much deeper feelings about this issue than simply not getting their way. There are always many details that affect attitudes, and those details are none of our business.
"Nuf said!

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 3/10/2006 11:21:20 PM >

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