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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/6/2009 8:26:15 PM

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If you can't undo it in a timely manner if it turns out badly, then you've gone too far. Is where I draw the line.

As I've said, if he deliberately caused an episode of vertigo, that would be a trust destroying action. It isn't permanent harm, if it doesn't go away in a week or so by itself then a couple of courses of antibiotics for my inner ear would eventually fix it for the meantime. But the fear it would engender of him deliberately causing me this would not go away in short order.

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/6/2009 10:32:08 PM

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I've been trying to catch up with all the reading in the 24/7 TPE thread, and came across an issue that has been on my mind for some time. I'm posting here so as not to (further) hijack that thread.

The issue is, how far is too far? If an activity is consensual, does that make it okay? Where do you, personally, draw the line? Bone breaking? Amputation? Reliving past incest?

How about you can anything to the body that you. choose, provided that within a reason amount of time afterwards, it returns to the condition it was prior to starting the activity. As far as the mental games, unless you have MD in your title, that is not an area one should venture even if consent is given

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/6/2009 10:50:59 PM

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The issue is, how far is too far? If an activity is consensual, does that make it okay? Where do you, personally, draw the line? Bone breaking? Amputation? Reliving past incest?

How far is too far( individuals.couples) depends on those involved...how far is too far in society varies with law..tradition...
even rituals.

Personally I will not knowingly cause permanent damage and yet I like body modification....scarification etc which is "damage.."

I have been asked to remove testicles and would not.

I have picked up on someone wanting reliving of incest thru BDSM acts and would not this either. for one and yet set this up for another.

HOW far is too far is a varied as the ppl answering.
What I thought was too far last year is now everyday to me.

IF someone consents to an act or requests a"too far" act I as a DOMME haev a resposibilty to weigh out all the consequences and reprucussions.

AS for amputation I am rather fascinated myself..
THe movie BOXING HELENA added to this..
THE is year it is too far for me..
by who knows about next year??

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/6/2009 11:24:55 PM

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but a split lip from a backhand because of a smart mouth is rather minor. Then again I am part of that group that people call extreme, abuser, sociopath, etc.. My girl just smiles when that kind of stuff comes up.

Orion,

I personally call a man who slap in the face a woman half his age and a third of his weight a petty coward who would not even think of doing the same to man of his size.

"Your property thriving"? What a joke! the poor girl on the picture is looking anorexic. Are you not making enough money for two or do you have to starve her into submission?

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 12:06:52 AM

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but a split lip from a backhand because of a smart mouth is rather minor. Then again I am part of that group that people call extreme, abuser, sociopath, etc.. My girl just smiles when that kind of stuff comes up.

Orion,

I personally call a man who slap in the face a woman half his age and a third of his weight a petty coward who would not even think of doing the same to man of his size.

"Your property thriving"? What a joke! the poor girl on the picture is looking anorexic. Are you not making enough money for two or do you have to starve her into submission?

... Wow, classy. I mean, those are some grade-A zingers. You've got the old standby patriarchy triggers and the noveau riche "class" insults. That's stunning.

Of course, I'd posit that in the old patriarchy, men wouldn't think of backhanding other men. Backhands are for the wimminfolk. A man, you punch square in the jaw, then stand and wait for him to compose himself. Then you both quite cordially arrange for a blood duel, like proper gentlemen. (Strutting and preening is always acceptable, of course.)

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 12:10:47 AM

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A man, you punch square in the jaw

if they stand still yes...lol...but on paper it sounds nice

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 12:21:38 AM

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A man, you punch square in the jaw

if they stand still yes...lol...but on paper it sounds nice

Well, sure, if they're gonna get all dodgy and shit, then you've got yourself a kung-fu fight. And that's its own special kind of manliness, right there.

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 12:24:24 AM

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but a split lip from a backhand because of a smart mouth is rather minor. Then again I am part of that group that people call extreme, abuser, sociopath, etc.. My girl just smiles when that kind of stuff comes up.

Orion,

I personally call a man who slap in the face a woman half his age and a third of his weight a petty coward who would not even think of doing the same to man of his size.

"Your property thriving"? What a joke! the poor girl on the picture is looking anorexic. Are you not making enough money for two or do you have to starve her into submission?

... Wow, classy. I mean, those are some grade-A zingers. You've got the old standby patriarchy triggers and the noveau riche "class" insults. That's stunning.

Of course, I'd posit that in the old patriarchy, men wouldn't think of backhanding other men. Backhands are for the wimminfolk. A man, you punch square in the jaw, then stand and wait for him to compose himself. Then you both quite cordially arrange for a blood duel, like proper gentlemen. (Strutting and preening is always acceptable, of course.)

Patriarchy is hot.

Though punching a man doesn't start a duel. Backhanding him with a glove does - a slap is a challenge to his manhood. You're basically calling him a bitch by treating him like one.

Punching starts a brawl. Much less classy

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 12:25:46 AM

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Patriarchy is hot.

Indeed it is. Especially the part where I get to treat all women as an inherently inferior class of being. ;)

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 12:26:59 AM

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Patriarchy is hot.

Indeed it is. Especially the part where I get to treat all women as an inherently inferior class of being. ;)

On the contrary. Any patriarchy worth its salt has a good madonna-whore complex going on.

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 12:29:10 AM

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On the contrary. Any patriarchy worth its salt has a good madonna-whore complex going on.

Well now, this sounds like something to go to war over! Let me get my fleet together.

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 12:30:18 AM

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I'll go ring Helen and have her get ready to seduce you to celebrate your victory/point and laugh and run off with the guy who beats you. Depending.

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 3:44:50 AM

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but a split lip from a backhand because of a smart mouth is rather minor. Then again I am part of that group that people call extreme, abuser, sociopath, etc.. My girl just smiles when that kind of stuff comes up.

Orion,

I personally call a man who slap in the face a woman half his age and a third of his weight a petty coward who would not even think of doing the same to man of his size.

"Your property thriving"? What a joke! the poor girl on the picture is looking anorexic. Are you not making enough money for two or do you have to starve her into submission?

Sirrah, whilst backhanding a woman for a smart mouth is not my normal style, there are people of both sexes I have and will back hand no matter that they are half my age (and thus theoretically in their prime and mostly able to fight me back if they chose) It is a sign of my complete contempt if it is a bloke. Mouth off about me and I'll laugh in your face. Mouth off and deride my family is a totally different matter. Were someone like you with your attitude in my locality and mouthed off with such idiocy without knowing things, I would probably bitch slap them or at least a severe back hand and if you were man enough to accept the challenge it would be on. been there and will doubtlessly be there again.

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 3:52:13 AM

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Thank you for all the responses!!

I was by no means attempting to do any serious consensus building on this issue. I purposely did not open with how far *I* would go as a submissive, since I am not a pain slut and most who are would laugh at how wimpy I am. I am well aware that what is too far for me could be just fine for another. I'm also aware that "the line" can change over time. I have experienced this myself as a dominant.

I do find it interesting that only one poster *specifically* addressed psychological damage, which in my opinion can go much deeper and take much longer to heal.

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 4:31:47 AM

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Sirrah, whilst backhanding a woman for a smart mouth is not my normal style

So we have at least two brave women beater here,

It is not your "normal style" but you do it from time to time. Splitting the lips of women who put their fate in your hand and are perfectly incapable of defending themselve is OK with you.

Does it happen when you lose argument to her, had a bad day at the office, or just for the fun?

I do not backhand, or slap anybody, I leave that gameplay to chivalresque effetes like you. If I hit, it is first, if possible by surprise and with the aim of immediatly putting the other side down.

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 4:37:50 AM

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Kind of shows how much you are, and the kind of person you are, with your comments. I have no problem dealing with Men the same way when they need it. Odd you come across as some white knight, and then insult the same girl you seem to be trying to protect. I have not as yet had to backhand my girl, but she knows it is not out of the realm of possibilities if needed.

You speak from ignorance, just like many before you have done, so run along now and go try and save someone else. Tata

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

but a split lip from a backhand because of a smart mouth is rather minor. Then again I am part of that group that people call extreme, abuser, sociopath, etc.. My girl just smiles when that kind of stuff comes up.

Orion,

I personally call a man who slap in the face a woman half his age and a third of his weight a petty coward who would not even think of doing the same to man of his size.

"Your property thriving"? What a joke! the poor girl on the picture is looking anorexic. Are you not making enough money for two or do you have to starve her into submission?

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 4:45:18 AM

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Sirrah, whilst backhanding a woman for a smart mouth is not my normal style

So we have at least two brave women beater here,

It is not your "normal style" but you do it from time to time. Splitting the lips of women who put their fate in your hand and are perfectly incapable of defending themselve is OK with you.

Does it happen when you lose argument to her, had a bad day at the office, or just for the fun?

I do not backhand, or slap anybody, I leave that gameplay to chivalresque effetes like you. If I hit, it is first, if possible by surprise and with the aim of immediatly putting the other side down.

Ha. I'm five feet tall and weigh about 130 pounds. He's 6'3" and slaps me hard in the face every time he walks in the door and says hello and every time he leaves for work. Not only does it instantly make him hard, but it also instantly makes me wet. If he were to split my lip it would just be the cherry on top and I can guarantee he'd be late for work that day. It would also satisfy his craving of drinking my blood.
You really shouldn't comment on things you know nothing about. It kinda makes you look stupid.

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 4:46:47 AM

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Kind of shows how much you are, and the kind of person you are, with your comments. I have no problem dealing with Men the same way when they need it. Odd you come across as some white knight, and then insult the same girl you seem to be trying to protect. I have not as yet had to backhand my girl, but she knows it is not out of the realm of possibilities if needed.

You speak from ignorance, just like many before you have done, so run along now and go try and save someone else. Tata

I concur.

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chivalresque effetes like you.

Jealous? Aye, I was born with more than a silver spoon in my mouth and I still make my own way on my own merits and defend what is mine and family including extended family spread about the world. chivalrous effete, hell yes. Prey tell, what is your claim to achievement?

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 5:03:12 AM

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The funny part in all of this is my girls comment after reading what the white knight wrote:

"he reminds this girl of the men she used to wrap around her finger before she met you Master. amira had no respect for them, as they were so easily pussy whipped."

Now that gave me a good laugh.

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RE: Extreme BDSM & Ethics - 10/7/2009 5:06:33 AM

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Sirrah, whilst backhanding a woman for a smart mouth is not my normal style

So we have at least two brave women beater here,

It is not your "normal style" but you do it from time to time. Splitting the lips of women who put their fate in your hand and are perfectly incapable of defending themselve is OK with you.

Does it happen when you lose argument to her, had a bad day at the office, or just for the fun?

I do not backhand, or slap anybody, I leave that gameplay to chivalresque effetes like you. If I hit, it is first, if possible by surprise and with the aim of immediatly putting the other side down.

So we have a man whom advocates hitting anything that doesn't have the ability to return the favour, but not a woman - because we are obviously poor, defenseless and weak.
Sexism at it's finest example.

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