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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Wow. Sometimes it just physically hurts to be so very, very right about what motivates a person to troll on the subject of feminism.

I would ask you to keep your fucking INSANE kajira fantasies to yourself, tazzygirl, but frankly I appreciate the fact that people like you and "Master Orion" are willing to post and remove the ambiguity that some people might still imagine surrounds these issues.

It really is black and white. A person is either a male supremacist or they are not. People who are not male supremacists are feminists, male or female.

Once again, thanks for posting. Strangely, your insane lost-in-your-sexual-fantasies drivel really does make everything abundantly clear in a way that no amount of reasoned argument or pointless debate ever will.

You can ask, i assure you i will continue. How does it feel to be judged so harshly by someone who doesnt know you, hmm?

You can assume you know me and my motives all you wish. Yours are plastered across this thread. I truly believe you dont hate men, but its becomming apparent that you do hate certain women.

What is it that threatens you so much?

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

sounds to me like she is aching to find a man strong enough to slam her to her knees and keep her there, Master Orion. despite her denials, i see a slave belly in there, waiting to burn for the right man.

alas, silly Female that she is, she doesnt see the freedom in chains and spends so much time denying what she is instead of seeking out the truths within herself.

Well, that's obnoxious. I realize Shakti took the gloves off a long time ago in this thread, but your comment is pretty far off point. The idea that feminism is a disease to be cured by the sexual attentions of the right man is pretty old school. Incorporating that idea into a bdsm frame strikes me as a bad idea. There are plenty of feminist subs out there. And non-feminist dommes.

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Yes. I was raised in this society. Every effort was made to brainwash me into being a sexual and political submissive--or a creature like you, a proactive slave that would help Massa hunt down and kill the will to power in all the others.

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On the contrary. I am pro-feminist. The fact that I do not actively seek out ways to deprive other people of choices does not mean that I am not willing to articulate my beliefs and views when my views are specifically requested--or demonized publicly by people who are at best ignorant and at worst actively evil.

That would be the difference between me and, say, an anti-feminist troll who freely admits that she offends other people deliberately at every opportunity, and works daily to make the world a stupider, more unjust, more racist and sexist place.

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ORIGINAL: aidan
The idea of people who wish to drag our civilization and species back into the fucking dark ages working so hard to seize the reins of power again? That if allowed to it would mean her, me, the people we personally care about and masses of unknown individuals would have to live under barbaric circumstances again?

No, I can't imagine why she feels "threatened" at all.

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ORIGINAL: aidan

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Wow. Sometimes it just physically hurts to be so very, very right about what motivates a person to troll on the subject of feminism.

I would ask you to keep your fucking INSANE kajira fantasies to yourself, tazzygirl, but frankly I appreciate the fact that people like you and "Master Orion" are willing to post and remove the ambiguity that some people might still imagine surrounds these issues.

It really is black and white. A person is either a male supremacist or they are not. People who are not male supremacists are feminists, male or female.

Once again, thanks for posting. Strangely, your insane lost-in-your-sexual-fantasies drivel really does make everything abundantly clear in a way that no amount of reasoned argument or pointless debate ever will.

You can ask, i assure you i will continue. How does it feel to be judged so harshly by someone who doesnt know you, hmm?

You can assume you know me and my motives all you wish. Yours are plastered across this thread. I truly believe you dont hate men, but its becomming apparent that you do hate certain women.

What is it that threatens you so much?

The idea of people who wish to drag our civilization and species back into the fucking dark ages working so hard to seize the reins of power again? That if allowed to it would mean her, me, the people we personally care about and masses of unknown individuals would have to live under barbaric circumstances again?

No, I can't imagine why she feels "threatened" at all.

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ORIGINAL: GoDolphins
I just thought I'd pop in here for a second to comment on this.  Those of you who are feminists and who are rational and wonder why feminists often get thought of as nuts, take a close look at some of the things said on this thread.  I'm not saying it's right to think like this but people will do it. 

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

I am going to post again....QFT

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ORIGINAL: GoDolphins
I just thought I'd pop in here for a second to comment on this.  Those of you who are feminists and who are rational and wonder why feminists often get thought of as nuts, take a close look at some of the things said on this thread.  I'm not saying it's right to think like this but people will do it. 

...and add (please accept my apologies for using your words GoDolphins and I do hope you do not mind) but those of you who are slaves or submissive (or those who have no desire to be identifiedas feminists) and who are rational and wonder why s-types or non feminists often get thought of as nuts, take a close look at some of the things said on this thread.  I'm not saying it's right to think like this but people will do it. 

the.dark.
(.happyhumanist.)

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ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBO

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ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy


My belief in feminism is equality,

How do you view feminism? How does feminism affect your D/s and 'vanilla' relationships?

Feminism is a political,cultural or economic movement aimed at establishing more rights or legal protection for women.
If can involce social theory and philosophies that address gender differences or gender specific rights.
FEMINIST theory emerged from the movements and can be found in a variety of disciplines such as feminist geography..her-story and literature.
There are also types of feminists such as eco feminists..radical feminists..etc

First Wave feminism was a period from early 19th to early 20th cent..and focused on PROMOTION OF PROPERTY RIGHTS and OPPOSITION TO CHATTEL MARRIAGE
Near the end of the 19th it focused on gaining POLITICAL POWER
eg) women in Quebec did not vote until the 1950's in CA
There were campaigns for sexual,reproductive and economics rights.

SECOND WAVE..early 60's to 90's..
This was a continuation of the earlier phase involving suffragettes
2nd wave was largely concerned with ISSUES OF EQUALITY such as ending discrimination
THIS 2nd wave saw womens cultural and political inequalities as linked.It encouraged women to understand PERSONAL ASPECTS OF THEIR LIVES as deeply polarized and reflecting sexist power structures.
2nd wave felt that the 1st wave wanted women to aspire to be LIKE men and that this idea must be set aside.

2nd wavers felt that women were oppressed and were pressed to find meaning in their lives through husbands and children

The term WOMENS LIB came about in 2nd wave

THIRD WAVE..began in the early 1990's as a precieved response to the FAILURES of the 2nd wave   and as a response to backlash against many initutives of teh 2nd.

3rd wavers feel there has been OVER EMPHASIS on the experiences of upper middle class white women within the movement and this does not address ALL WOMEN

A structuralist interpretation of gender and sexuality is central to 3rd wave.Micro- politics figure highly in 3rd wave as a new paradigm to challenge 2nd wave as to what is good or not good for females.


Personally I was active in 2nd wave from 1967+ and am in the 3rd..
I believe 2nd wave did a great diservice to MEN AND WOMEN by NOT TAKING MEN ALONG WITH US..

They became the enemy...and rather than strive for partnership and uniqueness of gender..or emphasis on the individual regardless of sex, we seperated the sexes even further
 
I no longer wish to be part of the war of the sexes
 
I do not hesitate to call out and be a voice for equality..and
the abused..homeless..violated..ill..or oppression and suppression of any human. or animal or tree.
 
At half a century I am learning to be a HUMANIST
I wish to go forward with a qualified optimism about the capacity of people with the ultimate idea/goal of
HUMAN FLOURISHING.
 
 Within that there may be a woman going to a football game..playing it(I DID)...a man wearing a dress..a woman choosing to surrender to a man..a man serving a woman..
a woman with 2 husbands..access to business funds for all..equal eduation..literary freedoms.......
HUMAN DIGNITY..capabilities..rights..
gender eqaulity..social jsutice and seperation of church and state..
rights to have what you want on your hot dog..roles built/defined in a relationship as a couple wishes( not society)/
a right to eat and have a home..and much more...
 
may the blessings be
 
GM

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ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac



Well, based on experience in these forums, the description does seem to fit with you on more than one occasion. Shakti's words in this forum have always been well articulated and food for thought. Yours, however, leave much to be desired here.

I'm sorry but... have you read this thread?

I'm going to indulge my librarian fetish here and do a bit of cataloguing.
The best part is the fact that the self-identified misogynist on this thread hasn't insulted me at all.

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ORIGINAL: GYPSYMAMBOI no longer wish to be part of the war of the sexes.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac



Well, based on experience in these forums, the description does seem to fit with you on more than one occasion. Shakti's words in this forum have always been well articulated and food for thought. Yours, however, leave much to be desired here.

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There seems to be a commonality here that people with a female submissive viewpoint feel as if they are not accepted by "feminists". But have any of these women considered the fact that their submissive sexuality is also not accepted by the MAJORITY of ALL vanilla people, male and female?

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I have noticed myself that heterosexual vanilla feminists are often able to cope better with vanilla lesbianism than they are with bdsm identity of EITHER type--believe me, vanilla women who are feminists are just as likely to be horrified and turned off by female dominance as they are by female submission! It's BDSM that shocks and appalls them, not just the role you play.

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Reforming the movement to make it more sexually grown up and tolerant of bdsm identity, however, is NOT going to be achieved by demonizing all feminism and working against women's rights in the workplace, in politics, and in society.

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ShaktiSama:
Female supremacists who try to argue that their sexual fantasies should be imposed on the entire human race also set my teeth on edge. I like dominating men. I do not like the idea that if I took a leadership role in a political or social sphere, however, that I would automatically be unjust or trample someone's rights just because he happened to be male and I happen to be female.

Not everyone who has power to affect other people's lives would use that power to harm and enslave them.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

I am going to post again....QFT

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ORIGINAL: GoDolphins
I just thought I'd pop in here for a second to comment on this.  Those of you who are feminists and who are rational and wonder why feminists often get thought of as nuts, take a close look at some of the things said on this thread.  I'm not saying it's right to think like this but people will do it. 

...and add (please accept my apologies for using your words GoDolphins and I do hope you do not mind) but those of you who are slaves or submissive (or those who have no desire to be identifiedas feminists) and who are rational and wonder why s-types or non feminists often get thought of as nuts, take a close look at some of the things said on this thread.  I'm not saying it's right to think like this but people will do it. 

the.dark.
(.happyhumanist.)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Fighting for freedom, which you have changed it to, is not the same as advocating genocide, which was your initial response.

Dictators and partisans used the same 'excuse' to kill of many groups.  And it is abhorant.

the.dark.

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ORIGINAL: fryingpan
I'm not so sure female supremacists exist as a definable group with a manifesto and a political agenda.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Gorean whore? Wow, lady, you are nuts!

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I said you wanted it... never would i care if some man tried. And, frankly, you couldnt handle it if a man did.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Oh poor baby. But its perfectly ok for her to tell how many millions of submissive women that they are wrong in their beliefs, and unless they stand up and say.. FUCK YOU.. to every man... then we are dragging you back to the "dark ages".