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housesub4you -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/29/2009 9:46:32 PM)

As a side note, in my youth I loved rock climbing....I wish I still could.....

Love the pic where are you climbing/




rulemylife -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/29/2009 10:27:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

per your quoting: a set of beliefs [...] "especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies"[...]

Main Entry: re·li·gionPronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jən\Function: noun Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at relyDate: 13th century 1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith— re·li·gion·less adjective
(merriam webster)




You seem to have missed some things there.

A definition of a term doesn't go by numerical order.

Go back and check the definition I provided.




housesub4you -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/29/2009 10:32:28 PM)

Ahhh....nothing but BS provided by the church of your choice


How come the church or our last President can't explain anything older than 6K years old????  So science is all BS and the rock in the Grand Canyon are not real?  Or Utah, or Africa or China, or anywhere




rulemylife -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/29/2009 10:32:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Seems like just another "religion is a fraud" set up to me. Why people are so concerned about what others do, is beyond my understanding.


Because what others do in in their religious beliefs has historically intruded on and disrupted the lives of those who don't share the same beliefs.







housesub4you -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/29/2009 10:36:37 PM)

So fact has nothing to do with this discussion?  




rulemylife -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/29/2009 10:39:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

So fact has nothing to do with this discussion?  


What facts are you referring to?




wendyrosa -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/29/2009 11:02:48 PM)

It's a shell game. It's a con game for very stupid people. It's badly written science fiction. It's a very annoying sect invented by a loud-mouthed schnook. It's your brain on drugs. It's all of the above. Any questions?




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 4:49:41 AM)

The same can be said of political parties too. Wait, yeah it just dawned on me. Another reason to play ping pong, got it.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Seems like just another "religion is a fraud" set up to me. Why people are so concerned about what others do, is beyond my understanding.


Because what others do in in their religious beliefs has historically intruded on and disrupted the lives of those who don't share the same beliefs.








SpinnerofTales -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 6:04:30 AM)

~FR~

Every time I hear about Scientology, I think of a story I heard at a Science Fiction convention I attended many years ago.
I was in a group of people talking with Dr. Issac Asimov. Dr. A related a time when he and a group of other science fiction writers, including L. Ron Hubbard were in a coffee shop having breakfast. They were all talking about the finances of science fiction writing (not a lucrative field at that time). Hubbard's idea on this was simple. "Why should I write science fiction and get paid a nickel a word?" he asked. "I can make up a religion and get paid a dollar a word."

And thus Scientology was born.




tazzygirl -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 6:52:49 AM)




Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter
(HCOPL) 29 Oct. 1962, "Religion" wrote:


"Scientology 1970 is being planned on a religious organization
basis throughout the world. This will not upset in any way the
usual activities of any organization. It is entirely a matter for
accountants and solicitors."

http://www.lermanet.com/not-a-religion-by-hubbard.htm

more interesting reading there.




Aneirin -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 6:59:10 AM)

Isn't that what  John Norman did, when he created Gor ?

To some, perhaps Gor is a religion, but if it is, then it holds on a par with Scientology, a twentieth century fictional writing that has expanded beyond fiction.

But then the world that we live in what with its daily media reported news of woe, is it surprising people latch onto something that  can exist within the mind, a place to escape to, when the world we are told  is so bleak.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 7:30:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Isn't that what  John Norman did, when he created Gor ?

To some, perhaps Gor is a religion, but if it is, then it holds on a par with Scientology, a twentieth century fictional writing that has expanded beyond fiction.

But then the world that we live in what with its daily media reported news of woe, is it surprising people latch onto something that  can exist within the mind, a place to escape to, when the world we are told  is so bleak.



I don't think you can call Gor a religion. First of all, Norman isn't making any money on it (unless he's getting some kind of payment for the book sales). I would say that Goreans (and I do not mean to give offense to Goreans) are more akin to hard core Star Trek fans who view the federation as a model for living or SCA members who more people know by their mideval name than their real one. The big difference is that Gor was never presented as a guide for living or a path to spiritual enlightenment. Some people choose to view it as such, but that was never it's overt or hidden purpose. In fact, having read all the series (don't ask), I tend to think most of his philosophy passages were written because he was getting paid by the word.




popeye1250 -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 8:05:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: wendyrosa

It's a shell game. It's a con game for very stupid people. It's badly written science fiction. It's a very annoying sect invented by a loud-mouthed schnook. It's your brain on drugs. It's all of the above. Any questions?


Well said.
If there's no "diety" how can it be a religion?




HatesParisHilton -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 8:20:56 AM)

what about that alien overlord thingee from the Dianetic Beliefs??

surely he qualifies as a "darksome deity" when we look at what qualifies as a darksom deity?




Moonhead -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 9:11:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Isn't that what  John Norman did, when he created Gor ?

To some, perhaps Gor is a religion, but if it is, then it holds on a par with Scientology, a twentieth century fictional writing that has expanded beyond fiction.

But then the world that we live in what with its daily media reported news of woe, is it surprising people latch onto something that  can exist within the mind, a place to escape to, when the world we are told  is so bleak.



I don't think you can call Gor a religion. First of all, Norman isn't making any money on it (unless he's getting some kind of payment for the book sales). I would say that Goreans (and I do not mean to give offense to Goreans) are more akin to hard core Star Trek fans who view the federation as a model for living or SCA members who more people know by their mideval name than their real one. The big difference is that Gor was never presented as a guide for living or a path to spiritual enlightenment. Some people choose to view it as such, but that was never it's overt or hidden purpose. In fact, having read all the series (don't ask), I tend to think most of his philosophy passages were written because he was getting paid by the word.


That said, didn't he publish a book of Gorean sex games adults could experiment with around the turn of the '80s?




rulemylife -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 9:35:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Ahhh....nothing but BS provided by the church of your choice


How come the church or our last President can't explain anything older than 6K years old????  So science is all BS and the rock in the Grand Canyon are not real?  Or Utah, or Africa or China, or anywhere



I have a neighbor who is otherwise an intelligent guy, but he belongs to a Lutheran church that is very fundamentalist and he fervently believes in the Earth being only 6,000 years old.




rulemylife -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 10:03:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

If there's no "diety" how can it be a religion?



Wicca?

Nation & World | VA allows use of Wiccan pentacle | Seattle Times ...VA allows use of Wiccan pentacle. The Wiccan pentacle has been added to the list of emblems allowed in national cemeteries and on government-issued ...




rulemylife -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 11:42:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HatesParisHilton

what about that alien overlord thingee from the Dianetic Beliefs??

surely he qualifies as a "darksome deity" when we look at what qualifies as a darksom deity?


What Scientologist Actually Believe

Or see the full episode here.




tazzygirl -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 1:35:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Isn't that what  John Norman did, when he created Gor ?

To some, perhaps Gor is a religion, but if it is, then it holds on a par with Scientology, a twentieth century fictional writing that has expanded beyond fiction.

But then the world that we live in what with its daily media reported news of woe, is it surprising people latch onto something that  can exist within the mind, a place to escape to, when the world we are told  is so bleak.



I don't think you can call Gor a religion. First of all, Norman isn't making any money on it (unless he's getting some kind of payment for the book sales). I would say that Goreans (and I do not mean to give offense to Goreans) are more akin to hard core Star Trek fans who view the federation as a model for living or SCA members who more people know by their mideval name than their real one. The big difference is that Gor was never presented as a guide for living or a path to spiritual enlightenment. Some people choose to view it as such, but that was never it's overt or hidden purpose. In fact, having read all the series (don't ask), I tend to think most of his philosophy passages were written because he was getting paid by the word.


That said, didn't he publish a book of Gorean sex games adults could experiment with around the turn of the '80s?


And, of course, you are entitled to your opinion, Master Spinner.  some of us have a different take.

Moonhead, if you know of such a game, i would be interested in hearing about it.  I have not heard of such... sounds... interesting.  Or is it another Urban legend about goreans that only serves to excite.




GotSteel -> RE: Is Scientology a religion? (10/30/2009 3:16:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

If there's no "diety" how can it be a religion?



Wicca?


That religion isn't a good example:

"Wiccans, as followers of Wicca are now commonly known, typically worship a Goddess (traditionally the Triple Goddess) and a God[3] (traditionally the Horned God), who are sometimes represented as being a part of a greater pantheistic Godhead, and as manifesting themselves as various polytheistic deities." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca






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