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The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and tear - 11/4/2009 8:58:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think she called it osteoarthritis, and now I am wondering what could that mean,  and I'll have a letter from her soon explaining what she found, cause they sent it on the first an it'll arrive by the 10th, I wonder if all this sitting down I do could cause it, or if my depo is causing it because I been on depo for four years or more.


All these questions ones mind ponders at 9 pm.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 2:21:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		That may very well be.

I google: "When progesterone binds to its receptors, the result is estrogen regulation. High progesterone levels down-regulate estrogen receptors, shutting off tissue response to estrogen (estrogen-stimulated cell proliferation)".

I also googled:
"Osteoarthritis associated with estrogen deficiency
Jorge A Roman-Blas, Santos Castañeda, Raquel Largo, Gabriel Herrero-Beaumont
Arthritis Research & Therapy 2009 11:241"

If so, I would in your shoes definitely stop using depo provera, which has as effective substance Medroxyprogesteron.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 4:25:40 AM   
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If you've been diagnosed with arthritis of any kind, that would explain your pain. And it's REALLY important to stay as mobile as possible. I know you don't want to hear this either... cuz I certainly didn't.... PLEASE lose weight, not for anyone but yourself.

You're only in your 20's. I've had many of the same physical health issues you are experiencing when I was in my 20's. I wish SO badly that I would have taken better care of my body, because I wouldn't have near the pain that I do now. I'll be 47 this month, and hon, it does NOT get better as you age.

I'm full blown diabetic, and on 2 injections and 3 pills a day for it.
I have arthritis in my knees and back, and should take stock in Aleve, as most prescription painkillers would leave me too groggy to work.

Both of these things could have been put off until much later, had I only listened. But, I was young, and I "knew more than they did". Guess what, I didn't. I needed to get of my sedentary, lazy, tv/computer/video game addicted butt, get exercise, and get control over my body. So, if sometimes my posts to you sound a little harsh, it's because I care, and don't want to see ANYONE go through what I do.

So, next time you think about putting off walking your dog, or taking a walk by yourself, even, just think to yourself... "Sure, I don't want to do this, but I need to do this, and I will feel better 20 years from now for doing it today". You are worth the effort.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 4:31:20 AM   
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If you've been diagnosed with arthritis of any kind, that would explain your pain. And it's REALLY important to stay as mobile as possible. I know you don't want to hear this either... cuz I certainly didn't.... PLEASE lose weight, not for anyone but yourself.

You're only in your 20's.
i agree with the weight loss and physical activity...both are imperative.

And Peaches is so right when she says it only worsens with age.




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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 7:08:28 AM   
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I think she called it osteoarthritis, and now I am wondering what could that mean,  and I'll have a letter from her soon explaining what she found, cause they sent it on the first an it'll arrive by the 10th, I wonder if all this sitting down I do could cause it, or if my depo is causing it because I been on depo for four years or more.


All these questions ones mind ponders at 9 pm.


Sitting a lot is NOT good for your spine.
Perhaps your doctor would be willing to send you for some physical therapy... they can show you the best kind of movement and the right kind of stretches as well as helping you to build up your strength and core muscles.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 8:22:31 AM   
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If so, I would in your shoes definitely stop using depo provera



In your shoes, I would make no changes without a long and clear discussion with my doctor.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 11:36:29 AM   
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If so, I would in your shoes definitely stop using depo provera



In your shoes, I would make no changes without a long and clear discussion with my doctor.

Cali



Depo was originally intended for short term 6mos to 1yr useage. Considering she's been on it for four years, I'd say stopping the depo is a good first step. She should be in charge of her birth control, not her doctor.

I do agree however that she needs to talk to her doctor more when this letter arrives, and that there are likely many factors at work here.


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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 11:58:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that she was very smart to suspect the depo provera. I doubt that her doctor is a whit as smart and would suspect the same.

What I would do if I were her, was to go to a university library that has a subscription to the article that I googled and read that article (and if possible make a copy on a usb stick and cmail me that copy).

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 2:34:02 PM   
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Depo was originally intended for short term 6mos to 1yr useage. Considering she's been on it for four years, I'd say stopping the depo is a good first step. She should be in charge of her birth control, not her doctor.



No one said she should not be in charge of her own body.  However, stopping or starting medication on the advice of strangers on the internet without discussing it first with her personal doctor, at least in her case (with her numerous health issues), is poor at best and could be disastrous at worst. 

Thankfully it's an injection from her doctor so it's not like she is taking pills that people here are telling her to stop taking.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 3:24:27 PM   
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First rule of Rule: never trust a physician. If he is any good, he would have no patients. (They would all be healthy.)

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 3:29:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ever heard of practicing medicine without a license? 

Ever heard the phrase "medicine is an art, not a science"? 

Ever heard the phrase "just because it makes a cute cliche, doesn't make it true"?


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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 3:37:42 PM   
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Ever heard the phrase "medicine is an art, not a science"? 

Pff. Anybody that has himself treated by an artist is crazy.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 3:55:47 PM   
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I think she called it osteoarthritis, and now I am wondering what could that mean,  and I'll have a letter from her soon explaining what she found, cause they sent it on the first an it'll arrive by the 10th, I wonder if all this sitting down I do could cause it, or if my depo is causing it because I been on depo for four years or more.



Get a second opinion.  Even a third.

Contrary to popular belief, medicine is far from an exact science and relies on the interpretations of the physician.

Misdiagnosis is not rare.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 3:56:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The same could be said of taking medical directions from people on the internet.

As for docs, they kept me from dying from a congenital brain malformation.  Not exactly something I could get over with by practicing clean living.

They also keep me from being disabled due to migraines (don't ask if I tried this or that or all the other non-prescription cures, I already have.)

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 4:04:14 PM   
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Edited to add: I haven't given her any directions.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 6:24:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Osteoarthritis is generally associated with "wear and tear" so yes, thats most likely what your doctor mentioned.  I doubt your actual sitting in itself caused it, but excersize can help ease osteoarthritis. 

There really are a bunch of things that can end up increasing the risks (and eventually leading to it which is why it is usually associated with the elderly,) but injury and weight are some of the bigger ones since they cause stress on the joints (and in many cases reapeatedly.) 

Weight control and excersize have a big hand in helping control and ease it  Weight lessens the stress and excersize keeps the joints moving which helps reduce the pain and stiffness.  I would seriously recommend you talk to your doctor about glucosamine and chondroitin as it has been shown in many studies to help reduce pain and restore cartilage (the loss of which causes osteoarthritis.)

I have osteoarthritis in one of my ankles from serious repeated injury, and from personal experience I cannot stress enough how much keeping active and excersizing helps.  For me it makes a huge difference - and it benefits you in so many other ways in terms of health as well.  (And it doesn't have to mean going all out!  Start slow and work your way up, even if all you start with is a couple laps around the house or the neighborhood and slowly increase it from there.) 

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/5/2009 6:29:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have crippling arthritis in my hips. Some days i cannot get out of bed. Some days kneeling is murderous! Days when i am less active make this worse, especially several days in a row. i HATE taking drugs so i try not to, just a few pain pills here and there. Routine activity, even trying when it's painful, seems to have been the best help for me.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/6/2009 10:30:07 AM   
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I have arthritis along with multiple sclerosis and a congenital autoimmune dysfunction that affects my organs. I spend a lot of time on steroids. I'm also 47, and the last several years have shown a great deal of degeneration, but I'm still chugging along. So here's the poo...

Osteoarthritis responds -very- well to an anti-inflammatory diet, raw foods diet, or paleo diet, which, interestingly enough, also seems to help a lot of the other inflammatory and health conditions as well. While this way of life is sort of challenging to start, it gets easier over time. Plus, for me, it has allowed me to lose 35 lbs while continuing my latest round of steroid and immune modulating therapy (can we say -massive- weight gain every other time I've done this).

Low-impact exercise (yoga or swimming in particular, or water aerobics), along with supplementation with something like Joint Juice (a glucosamine supplement) makes  HUGE difference. You can get books and videos for yoga online (for free) or at a discount at many stores, or you can rent them through RedBox or Netflix or Blockbuster. Moving is -crucial- for people with arthritis, since if you don't move, the joints calcify and stiffen, and become deformed.

One thing that has helped me immeasurably with strengthening of my core muscles is sitting on one of those big exercise balls instead of a chair. I'm looking into getting one of -these- for myself for the holidays, so that I can use it at work, and use one for my desk at home as well (since I spend a lot of my time writing).

Hope this helps. Please take care of yourself. As I tell my daughter and son (who are about your age), this is the only body you have. For those of us with long-standing health issues, we don't have the luxury of ignoring our health because of inconvenience... because we'll pay for it for a -long- time afterwards, in very painful ways, and then we'll also have the chance of having our life become significantly shortened because of the cumulative side effects.

Oh, and I know someone else mentioned it, but I'd -really- consider choosing a different form (non-hormonal) of birth control once you are done with this cycle of depo provera. The combination of your size and the hormones is a virtual disaster for the cardiovascular and musculoskeletal system, and can also begin affecting your level of insulin resistance and accumulation of intra-arterial deposits leading to arterial sclerosis.

Take care of yourself!
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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/6/2009 10:44:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would first get down to the weight you are supposed to be at for your height. Being over weight causes many other problems, two being heart trouble and diebeties. Losing weight can reverse many other problems your body is having.

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RE: The dr says my x rays are showing signs of wear and... - 11/6/2009 12:29:25 PM   
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I would first get down to the weight you are supposed to be at for your height. Being over weight causes many other problems, two being heart trouble and diebeties. Losing weight can reverse many other problems your body is having.


Frankly, s-f-u, from a medical perspective, especially where there are secondary health issues that make it difficult to lose weight (and yes, they -do- exist), even a loss of 10-15% of body weight (for a 300 lb individual, that is as little as a loss of 30 lbs--definitely attainable) can change the body's functional capacity sufficiently to make a difference. Someone who is significantly overweight, or even obese or super-obese (I fell into the latter category just 3 months ago, with a BMI over 50%) can, with sufficient assistance, lose that 10% or 15% of body weight to improve vital function -and- make it possible to exercise.

Small goals, that are measurable and where progress (and success) are not -too- far away to prevent discouragement can be a huge key towards overall health. Despite being on immune modulation therapy and steroids, in the past 3 months I've lost 35 lbs. I'm not going to kid you... it was amazingly hard, and required some significant changes to my life, including giving up some favorite foods, hauling my pain-wracked body through physical therapy (because of my mobility issues, I have to do my workouts with a physical therapist on hand to help me position my body properly so that I don't injure myself), and learning to eat some things that I really wasn't to fond of... but being able to see it work... priceless.

One thing that -doesn't- help is when people try to make it sound like we just need to get off our fat, lazy asses and lose some weight, like there's nothing to it... "just snap the fingers, push away from the table, and you're as good as thin." It really -isn't- that easy for most folks.

The question I had to ask myself, though, is whether I was -happy- living in the body I was in, especially knowing that putting in some pretty tough work and making some pretty hard decisions might make it possible for me to retain -more- of my mobility and keep -more- of my independence than if I did nothing. That, for me, was the clincher... I want to be able to continue to live my life, and work towards the goals and dreams I have set out for myself... and I wasn't getting there doing what I was doing, so what I was doing -had- to change. The thing is, most people won't get thin and -retain- that motivation for someone -else-. The only reason it will stick is if they have a big enough "why" to get past the agony of the "how". Now that I'm in the middle of it, I find myself dedicated to holding the ground that I've made. They just upped my immune modulators again, and I'm now on high-level dosing after a profound and disturbing relapse 2 weeks back... but I am determined that I am NOT going to let this setback steal my progress... I've started requiring more of myself to hold the line, and if I can, I'm going to push that line back, at least a little bit... that's my goal, and they'll have to rip it from my jaws when life falls from my cold, dead bones to get it away from me. *LOL*

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