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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 5:29:05 AM   
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*just stopping in before work to say how very much I admire the courage of Kia and zephy for adding their personal stories here, as well*

Love to all...  have a wonderful day.  I'm a better person for knowing the beautifully strong women who have shared.

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 6:08:31 AM   
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What started out to be another blase' thread has turned into quite an eye opener for all of us. Who knew that so many CM folks had such deep turmoil in their lives? You've always brought cheer to any site you've visited so to read such personal, heart wrenching posts is both an honor and a privelege.
I cannot begin to understand what you've gone thru but I will say this, you've shined a new light on how I view the "psych" patients I transport. I will be more understanding, more compassionate for these folks because now they're no longer just a face in the crowd, they're someone I know, someone I've hugged....they are you and they deserve the utmost respect.

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 6:53:50 AM   
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Linna, that was the case with one lady and she was going through detox with no help at all after two years of being in a bottle,and she was very fragil and she could be around others but she couldn't handle talking and I hugged her held her hand and let her tremble like a leaf, and then I quietly held out my stuffed dinosaur to her and she clutched him for a while, and when she gave him back her trembling had stopped.

I didn't have to do more than just let her admit she was fragil and could be around me and others but we had to be quiet and tread softly if you will because her nerves were shot, and when it got to loud for her in there just like it was to loud for me I was her buffer and held her hand. She later said that my willingness to not talk to not try to cheer her up to just let her be afraid and know I was afraid too but I'd put aside my fear and sit with her  her just my presence and my stuffed toy helped a lot.



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there were people there who were there for alcohol withdrawal,



Wow!!  That's all you picked up on in that, huh? 

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 6:58:40 AM   
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Nope it wasn't but I wanted to say something positive and nice after sticking my foot in my mouth so much sometimes, and sounding so negative when I'm not a negative person.

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Wow!!  That's all you picked up on in that, huh? 

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 8:10:26 AM   
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a new light on how I view the "psych" patients I transport. I will be more understanding, more compassionate for these folks because now they're no longer just a face in the crowd, they're someone I know, someone I've hugged....they are you and they deserve the utmost respect.



VP,

you do such an amazing service to those you help. From all of us who have entrusted our loved ones to the care of a first responder, thank you. For those who may be having an especially hard time with their personal demons and emotional stressors, I say thank you in advance for being kind and not looking at them like they should be able to "snap out of it." Sometimes living in one's own head, during those terrible times, is the scariest place on earth, heaven, or hell... to be.

Love, Red

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 9:09:24 AM   
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Who knew that so many CM folks had such deep turmoil in their lives? You've always brought cheer to any site you've visited so to read such personal, heart wrenching posts is both an honor and a privelege.


if you want my opinion this is the truest measure of maturity. The upbeat cheerfulness is a sign that there is not self pity because of a turbulent past, but rather growth from the ability to rise above adversity. Whereas sharing a painful past in order to help others can be painful, it also can be a reminder of how strong we really are.


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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 9:50:42 AM   
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Who knew that so many CM folks had such deep turmoil in their lives? You've always brought cheer to any site you've visited so to read such personal, heart wrenching posts is both an honor and a privelege.


if you want my opinion this is the truest measure of maturity. The upbeat cheerfulness is a sign that there is not self pity because of a turbulent past, but rather growth from the ability to rise above adversity. Whereas sharing a painful past in order to help others can be painful, it also can be a reminder of how strong we really are.



Wow.  Just WOW. 

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 9:58:44 AM   
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and sounding so negative when I'm not a negative person.


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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 10:08:48 AM   
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Who knew that so many CM folks had such deep turmoil in their lives? You've always brought cheer to any site you've visited so to read such personal, heart wrenching posts is both an honor and a privelege.


if you want my opinion this is the truest measure of maturity. The upbeat cheerfulness is a sign that there is not self pity because of a turbulent past, but rather growth from the ability to rise above adversity. Whereas sharing a painful past in order to help others can be painful, it also can be a reminder of how strong we really are.



Wow.  Just WOW. 


I agree Aylee. Why'd Clumsy think we wanted her opinion?

***Spot on, Clumsy, spot on***!!

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 10:31:48 AM   
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Brava, Holly! You rock...


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and sounding so negative when I'm not a negative person.




This just made me LOL!!! I soooo understand, Miss... *slumps shoulders*

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 11:38:46 AM   
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What is very heartwarming and inspiring about some of these stories is the people who are taking responsibility for their actions, instead of blaming it on a condition.  I'm seeing "I was an asshat AND bipolar" not "I was an asshat but it was only because I was bipolar" (for example). 


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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 11:56:46 AM   
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I may be shooting from the hip and if I am excuse me because I think you're trying to say where my talking about myself is different from others because they state a problem and you think I blame things.

See it as blaming others if you want. I don't care, I don't blame any one else and when I share where I am coming from, like getting fat from trying to help every one else and not worrying about me, I'm not blaming any one. It's a statement, simple as that.

If I was blaming someone I'd be like well the group home should not of made you get a zero for eating or not eating, they forced every one to eat until refusal with that policy.

I didn't say that I said I wanted to avoid other friends of mine being penalized so I took their food.  I was alo hungry a lot and could stand to pack away 5 helpings so I did, I took their problem and made it mine, and I suffered dearly for it in weight gain, saying that isn't plaching blame, and saying I know what's wrong and what I need to be ok, isn't wah wah wah,. It's self awareness of the problem.


You want to see it as blame and wah wah wah, go right ahead, you are anyway. I know who I am and what I am, and you're assesment of what I am or am not doing to help myself won't change that I know I am beating that path  of getting help relentlessly even if I am not going to dump my bf or make him dump me.

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What is very heartwarming and inspiring about some of these stories is the people who are taking responsibility for their actions, instead of blaming it on a condition.  I'm seeing "I was an asshat AND bipolar" not "I was an asshat but it was only because I was bipolar" (for example). 


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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 12:02:50 PM   
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I wasn't speaking specifically of you, but of many people.  If you see yourself in it, then you do.


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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 12:11:46 PM   
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I may be shooting from the hip and if I am excuse me because I think you're trying to say where my talking about myself is different from others because they state a problem and you think I blame things.

See it as blaming others if you want. I don't care, I don't blame any one else and when I share where I am coming from, like getting fat from trying to help every one else and not worrying about me, I'm not blaming any one. It's a statement, simple as that.

If I was blaming someone I'd be like well the group home should not of made you get a zero for eating or not eating, they forced every one to eat until refusal with that policy.

I didn't say that I said I wanted to avoid other friends of mine being penalized so I took their food.  I was alo hungry a lot and could stand to pack away 5 helpings so I did, I took their problem and made it mine, and I suffered dearly for it in weight gain, saying that isn't plaching blame, and saying I know what's wrong and what I need to be ok, isn't wah wah wah,. It's self awareness of the problem.


You want to see it as blame and wah wah wah, go right ahead, you are anyway. I know who I am and what I am, and you're assesment of what I am or am not doing to help myself won't change that I know I am beating that path  of getting help relentlessly even if I am not going to dump my bf or make him dump me.



What you are failing to see is that no one is talking about you eating a lot at a group home. That has nothing to do with the instant case at hand.

The instant case is the idea that you take little responsibility for your actions and reactions when you post things like, "James made me hit him" or "He got what he deserved because he wouldn't leave me alone." Do you see where that is blame-shifting? You accept no blame for what you do and how you respond, but rather place the blame on someone else? People can appreciate honesty, and there have been times when you have said, "Hey, I was wrong." That's a good step forward, but to say, "I was wrong, but only because someone made me behave badly" is a cop-out, and no one is going to have one ounce of sympathy for that type of thing.

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 12:22:12 PM   
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Well now....lets see. You feel you are under fire for not taking responsibility for your behavior and actions.

Therefore...in your defense, you admit a huge weight gain is your fault and no one elses...

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I may be shooting from the hip and if I am excuse me because I think you're trying to say where my talking about myself is different from others because they state a problem and you think I blame things.

See it as blaming others if you want. I don't care, I don't blame any one else and when I share where I am coming from, like getting fat from trying to help every one else and not worrying about me, I'm not blaming any one. It's a statement, simple as that.

If I was blaming someone I'd be like well the group home should not of made you get a zero for eating or not eating, they forced every one to eat until refusal with that policy.

I didn't say that I said I wanted to avoid other friends of mine being penalized so I took their food.  I was alo hungry a lot and could stand to pack away 5 helpings so I did, I took their problem and made it mine, and I suffered dearly for it in weight gain, saying that isn't plaching blame, and saying I know what's wrong and what I need to be ok, isn't wah wah wah,. It's self awareness of the problem.


You want to see it as blame and wah wah wah, go right ahead, you are anyway. I know who I am and what I am, and you're assesment of what I am or am not doing to help myself won't change that I know I am beating that path  of getting help relentlessly even if I am not going to dump my bf or make him dump me.



Buuuuut......here is what you said a few days ago about the weight gain you take total responsibility for:

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If you mean weight, yup I am 318 and I need to loose weight and I've been trying so hard but not getting naywhere because medical professionals don't take fat people seriouslly.


you are babbling so much bullshit that you are tripping over it.



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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 12:47:47 PM   
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Holly, don't waste your breath. Ignore & move on.

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 12:47:58 PM   
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In another thread,  someone said I'd like to see you more active and I told him my past history with food, and holly came in and said well sorry but they didn't make you stuff that food in your mouth YOU DID, and I said yes I did. I am telling you all a fact that fat people are discounted,  for other problems based on being fat, and people say oh bull shit.


NO it's not bullshit, Fat people are told to loose weight and loose weight FIRST , and if you have any conditions that stop that from happening you're blamed.

Many many people, have gone through this, they have been discounted and blamed and told yada yada yada, only to get proper help and then every one says and see's oh sorry it's not just that you need to loose weight but you have.......... and it's causing........... which increases.........


but when I say it it's discounted as bullshit that I am blaming dr's, that I didn't force the group home to shove food in my mouth, I chose to do so.

And when I own that yup I did, but only cause I was trying to help people, some of you on here say oh come on you were not trying to help people, you just want to blame someone AND I DON'T.

YES I said I Saw how saying james made me....... and I can't if you........ is abusive and I said so and said how we're fixing it and people said I wasn't listening.  I DO LISTEN, and you're right I had absolutely no right to hit james, if he hit me, ok then tell him to get away from me, tell him it's not right to whap me or hit me or pinch me or any thing else,  AND DO NOT DO IT BACK, and if you do, then do not say he made me, say this behavior made me so mad, I decided to hit back because it felt like the thing to do and I am not mentally well for believing hitting is justified.

but when I say that every one says something like oh you're not listening unless we pat you on the head, I just showed I was listeningdidn't I, I just said yes it's never right to hit back, I should enforce my own disipline and health by walking away and not hitting back but I chose to hit.


In this thread and yet another one people tell me I am selfish and spoiled and self indulgent for needing to carry a stuffed toy and when I explain why stuffed toys help me and why a hospital where you can't have the things you need like isolation and closing the door, people then say well guess what princess, it's  NOT ABOUT YOU, People are saying you're not listening you're not getting help and I am, and I am sick because of my attempts to get help, and then people say oh phoney balloney, you've been sick for years stop blaming trying to get help on being sick.

I admit I am sick because I havemental problems, and that's fine ok, but I am also now pychically sick from med side affects that I didn't have a week ago, my health, my body health has deteriorated so much from the pych med an the side affects and a bladder in fection or kidney infection what ever the hell dr's are calling it now one told me it was kidney and my gp says it's not.




I do not blame situations, I do take responcibility for myself, I ran out the moment I first admited to myself I needed help and told my dr and got a medical therapist and got help, and if I didn't I wouldn't b
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I may be shooting from the hip and if I am excuse me because I think you're trying to say where my talking about myself is different from others because they state a problem and you think I blame things.

See it as blaming others if you want. I don't care, I don't blame any one else and when I share where I am coming from, like getting fat from trying to help every one else and not worrying about me, I'm not blaming any one. It's a statement, simple as that.

If I was blaming someone I'd be like well the group home should not of made you get a zero for eating or not eating, they forced every one to eat until refusal with that policy.

I didn't say that I said I wanted to avoid other friends of mine being penalized so I took their food.  I was alo hungry a lot and could stand to pack away 5 helpings so I did, I took their problem and made it mine, and I suffered dearly for it in weight gain, saying that isn't plaching blame, and saying I know what's wrong and what I need to be ok, isn't wah wah wah,. It's self awareness of the problem.


You want to see it as blame and wah wah wah, go right ahead, you are anyway. I know who I am and what I am, and you're assesment of what I am or am not doing to help myself won't change that I know I am beating that path  of getting help relentlessly even if I am not going to dump my bf or make him dump me.



What you are failing to see is that no one is talking about you eating a lot at a group home. That has nothing to do with the instant case at hand.

The instant case is the idea that you take little responsibility for your actions and reactions when you post things like, "James made me hit him" or "He got what he deserved because he wouldn't leave me alone." Do you see where that is blame-shifting? You accept no blame for what you do and how you respond, but rather place the blame on someone else? People can appreciate honesty, and there have been times when you have said, "Hey, I was wrong." That's a good step forward, but to say, "I was wrong, but only because someone made me behave badly" is a cop-out, and no one is going to have one ounce of sympathy for that type of thing.

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 12:49:53 PM   
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IT's true if you're obese the dr's won't try to rule out other things first. They'll go for obesity first and problems second and sometimes doing the second part can take years.


After I fell off the horse in 2004 it took me 2 years and some serious side affects for someone to look at me and say you're right you're hurt, NOT JUST LOOSE WEIGHT IT'LL BE OK.


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If you mean weight, yup I am 318 and I need to loose weight and I've been trying so hard but not getting naywhere because medical professionals don't take fat people seriouslly.


you are babbling so much bullshit that you are tripping over it.



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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 1:18:48 PM   
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IT's true if you're obese the dr's won't try to rule out other things first. They'll go for obesity first and problems second and sometimes doing the second part can take years.



Tfb, this is actually not true but true.  MOST OF OVERWEIGHT AND OBESE people's physical PAINS and aches and such many times are aggravated FROM BEING OVERWEIGHT.  I see how you are responding to what people are saying here and wonder if you are actually LISTENING to the doctor or if you are placing your own focus on what he is saying and NOT hearing the rest.   ANY doctor worth their salt WILL tell any patient who is grossly overweight and/or obese and even just overweight to LOSE weight and they will see a lot of their physical issues if not go away, alleviated some degrees.  You say it too doctors TWO years to diagnose  you being "hurt" after falling off a horse?  Just out of curiosity did you take the proactive concept of getting more opinions or did you hear one doctor say lose weight and the hurting will help.  That is actually true, if you are overweight and placing pressure on an injury due to your weight, it will hinder your recovery and any future issues you may have.  My knees and ankles which both have arthritis and whole bunch of pain and agony to them since i was 14 and grew 6 inches in a summer, the extra weight i have on doesn't help that issues and in fact HARMS it more. 

While i know everyone has horror stories about physicians and yes many times SOME things take YEARS to diagnose unfortunately for some that is the nature of the beast that is the human body and the every increasing concepts of diagnosis and drugs and treatments out there.   But i for one would not continue to see a GP whose only treatment options for me was a casual lose weight and nothing else.    Have you asked him for help in that area?

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RE: How do I find out if there's ever been any complain... - 11/10/2009 1:33:50 PM   
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What started out to be another blase' thread has turned into quite an eye opener for all of us. Who knew that so many CM folks had such deep turmoil in their lives? You've always brought cheer to any site you've visited so to read such personal, heart wrenching posts is both an honor and a privelege.
I cannot begin to understand what you've gone thru but I will say this, you've shined a new light on how I view the "psych" patients I transport. I will be more understanding, more compassionate for these folks because now they're no longer just a face in the crowd, they're someone I know, someone I've hugged....they are you and they deserve the utmost respect.


The admiration goes two ways Potty. I have seen ambulance type people deal with aggressive, beligerent people time and time again, always keeping their cool. I've also heard people bitch about how long it took them to get there when really it took no time at all, it just wasn't fast enough for their liking.

I take my hat off to you Potty, and thank you on behalf of all who are so ungrateful for the job you do.

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