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RE: Why do some Masters feel that they have to lie? - 11/18/2009 12:45:28 PM

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Everyone lies. You're only kidding yourself if you say you don't

Do you REALLY say what's on your mind 100% of the time in every situation to whomever you are speaking to? An

Or does most of what we say have to be toned down and sugar coated so that the society at large can handle what you say? And not hurt peoples feelings? Do you share every deep dark secret by the third date? Or do you hold back?

The way that I see d/s relationships is stripping off that layer of insulation where anything can be shared with each other in it's most raw form without fear that the other can't handle EXACTLY what it is you are thinking/feeling and would never judge or reject whatever it may be.

I'm sure you are talking about a flat out deception kind of lie like, "no, I'm not having sex with another women" when he was. Of course that's not acceptable in any kind of relationship. That has nothing to do with masters, slaves oranyrhing else.

Unless of course the slave is ok with her master having sex with other women and has a fetish for being lied to, buti doubt that would ever be the case. :) lol

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RE: Why do some Masters feel that they have to lie? - 11/20/2009 8:00:51 PM

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Well Rapier i definetely owe you a spanking for making me spill my coffee again

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There is no secret organization that will pull their dom card if they don't adhere to your standard of ethics.

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RE: Why do some Masters feel that they have to lie? - 11/20/2009 8:49:16 PM

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Masters and the question of etics. To my knowledge it does not seem as there exist any school or universities having BDSM as a subject. Neither is there any organisations demanding you take something similar as the Hipocratic oath a doctor off medicine have to swear to get his final authorisation as doctor.
On CM, the only qualification required is an internetconnection connection and the ability to spell the word "master". That really tells everybody what kind of level can be expected.
I do have a master certificate. To obtain it took over 10 years of involvement. Setting several eksams and gaining a great deal of experience. Finally i had my skills examined by a number of masters who found me worthy. As it has nothing to do with BDSM i choose not use it in here. But it does serve as an example what a master of anything really is. Strangely enough the paper mentions nothing about ethics, don't even guarantie that i should practice said craft in a safe manner, just really state that i have a high level of education mixed with a minimum level of eperience to practice the craft. Well it certainly come in handy when i wanted to hire a sailingboat all over the world. But some owners still do insist in a testsail before letting me of on my own. I can't really blame them.

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RE: Why do some Masters feel that they have to lie? - 11/21/2009 6:08:32 AM

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I have not been trying to shed responsibility. I take my role seriously and so should the person I am with. Maybe it is because I was raised to believe that honesty is the best policy. I suppose most people don't have any scruples. And to attack me just because I expect someone to live up to my standards is unhinged, plain and simple.

You have strick expectations for people, and where has that gotten you? I do not understand the need for a person to lie, but life happens...and some do lie. I can't change them, and I will not belittle them in public, or whine about it. A Master might hold themselves to a high code of ethic, and they might not. What is important to me, is what i do. I make mistakes, yes..and i learned from them. I thank the lesson and move on. Having expectations of what a Master should be for you is okay..but to put it on all Doms can lead to a person's downfall. Choose wiser next time. Look at your expectations and see if you these are getting in your way. When the word should is used on people in general, let a lone a group it is a sign that you want an utopian world, and that just isn't going to happen.

You made this error 2x in a year, so what will you do about it? Will you continue to grump about lying Masters? Will you start changing your belief that if you are x you must then behave in x way? it cant happen. this is life and it will never happen. To attract different, you might want to look at yourself first. As you review and search within, be grateful for the lessons that came to show you that you might need to do some changing here.

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RE: Why do some Masters feel that they have to lie? - 11/21/2009 11:02:54 PM

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The Masters I know do not have that tendency. The Masters I know, firsthand, know how to be responsible and accountable.

Maybe a better question would be why that is the case for some people in general.

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RE: Why do some Masters feel that they have to lie? - 11/22/2009 4:24:02 AM

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Good Morning QuietSimpleMan
You are asking a good question
from my humble opinion , i would say that it is because sometime it is so easier for our brain to take to at * first degree* what does a person say,,,our mind remains in some way hungry for perfection that sometime is linked to a fairy tale
Sometime people sense red flag but decide to ignore them and pursue their magic thought wich is so more conforting
again this is an humble submissive opinion
thanks You

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RE: Why do some Masters feel that they have to lie? - 11/22/2009 3:55:04 PM

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Firstly you are talking about human nature - everyone lies! The magnitude of the lie will ultimately determine the consequence. Secondly, all master/slave relationships are based on trust! Inherent in trust is honesty - two way honesty! My advice as a Master is drop him! Good luck in finding a new more honest Master!

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