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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/17/2009 9:13:44 PM   
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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/18/2009 11:20:20 AM   
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Sorry... but I've just got to laugh a bit at the replies stating a collar and wedding ring are the SAME, or that the collar holds the greater commitment.  Not tryting to be a smart-ass here (pinky-swear), but REAL LIFE BEHAVIOR shows otherwise.  Simply think of the communications/interactions you (bottoms) have received/had, and you (Tops) have sent/had.  I'll bet NONE included, "Come to me... MARRY ME... wear my colllar... and be my slave".  More likely, the "MARRY ME" part was either nonexistent, or left to be addressed somewhere down the road.  It's very obvious why... the wedding ring/marriage holds the greater commitment.



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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/18/2009 11:21:27 AM   
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I am thinking when I stick my dick in a girls mouth, that is a pretty big commitiment on my part right there.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/18/2009 11:24:18 AM   
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Well.... you do have to trust her not to use her teeth.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/18/2009 11:35:04 AM   
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I am thinking when I stick my dick in a girls mouth, that is a pretty big commitiment on my part right there.

Ron


I'm willing to bet... if surrounded by multiple ones on their knees, there'd be some "musical mouths" goingz on.  Just a hunch. (Insert Hokey-Pokey music... "You put yer big cock in... You pull your big cock out... You put your big cock in... And you shake it all about...")



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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/18/2009 11:37:08 AM   
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I don't know, that would require alotta commitment on my part..............

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/18/2009 12:09:23 PM   
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As has been said, either is just an outward symbol.

What that symbol represents inside to both is ultimatly what is important.

That being said.. A woman who would be my wife but then she removes her wedding ring and we divorce would suck. Any relationship ending sucks. Even if it needs to end, there was something good about it once upon a time or you wouldn't have been in it at all. But her taking her ring off her finger, I would be depressed for a while and then get over it and move on. Ultimatly she's just a woman who I cared for and had a relationship with.

However, the woman who could be my slave and wear my collar, if the day came where she were to remove it.. One might as well kill me, for she is my treasure, loved and worth more to me than all the worlds gold of all the worlds kings.

So, personally, I have to say the collar. One that is permanently locked around her neck and can only be removed by destroying it.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/21/2009 8:15:38 AM   
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wedding ring; affords you rights within the law.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/21/2009 11:01:47 PM   
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I do not see a difference between the two within our relationship. However, I would never marry someone whom I wouldnt accept a collar from. That is just my personal feelings on the matter though.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/22/2009 10:10:59 AM   
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Sorry... but I've just got to laugh a bit at the replies stating a collar and wedding ring are the SAME, or that the collar holds the greater commitment.  I'll bet NONE included, "Come to me... MARRY ME... wear my colllar... and be my slave". 


Compare and contrast:

"let me put a piece of steel around your neck that means whatever we want it to mean at the moment we mean it."

Versus-

"Lets sign a legally binding agreement that gives you ironclad rights to half of everything I have....."

hmmm


To paraphrase the old joke-

In a ham and eggs breakfast, the chicken is collared; the pig is married.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/22/2009 10:19:37 AM   
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To paraphrase the old joke-

In a ham and eggs breakfast, the chicken is collared; the pig is married.


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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/22/2009 3:50:57 PM   
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I'm collared to him. When he marries me then I'll let you know which is more...I'm betting on the ring though.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/22/2009 4:16:27 PM   
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to me, a ring means nothing.

but a collar brings up emotions.

so in the end i can only vote for the collar.

(yes i know this could change, even for me, but for now...)

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/22/2009 5:16:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex


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Sorry... but I've just got to laugh a bit at the replies stating a collar and wedding ring are the SAME, or that the collar holds the greater commitment.  I'll bet NONE included, "Come to me... MARRY ME... wear my colllar... and be my slave". 


Compare and contrast:

"let me put a piece of steel around your neck that means whatever we want it to mean at the moment we mean it."

Versus-

"Lets sign a legally binding agreement that gives you ironclad rights to half of everything I have....."

hmmm



LOL

This.

Oh and what Kittin said about the diamond. Seriously. I know I'm going to be blasted for superficiality here, but if someone is going to buy me a token of their undying affection, I'd view the one that had a luxury tax added on as the more affectionate gesture. Of course, he could rectify this by saying "I am going to collar you, here is your stainless steel collar and to celebrate this joyous occasion I bought you these 18K sapphire and diamond earrings you've been drooling over" but...well...we still wouldn't be married so I'd still be asking when he was going to commit.

That's how it works in my mind - if you want to commit you get married. I know plenty of people have committed relationships that aren't marriages, and they say things like "We don't need a piece of paper to prove our commitment" but it always makes me think that secretly they're afraid to make a concrete vow of lifetime commitment.

Plus I'd like to point something out - a wedding ring, at least in most countries, is an exclusive commitment - you can only have a spousal relationship with one person in the entire world, you two share a type of bond that you don't share with anyone else.

There's no limit on how many people you can collar.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/22/2009 5:21:06 PM   
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Wedding ring.  Marriage is legally recognized and binding on both parties.  A collar is none of that.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/22/2009 5:21:48 PM   
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Oh and another thing - for the people who entered into M/s relationships at the very beginning of the relationship (IE when you met you were both looking for a M/s relationship with each other) - which came first?

Were you collared first, and only married after you'd been collared? Or were you married first, and only collared after you were married?

IMO the one that came second is likely the greater commitment (unless you only married because of a kid or a tax break, if the marriage means nothing to you but a legal formality disregard this) because these things tend to follow a path, IE first dating, then exclusivity, then commitment, then lifetime commitment.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 11/28/2009 2:47:47 PM   
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A large piece of crystalised carbon set in a precious metal over a "stainless steel" collar for me, anyday, thank you very much.


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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 12/10/2009 9:19:39 AM   
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I would say both. The ring on your finger just has a more reconginized appeal to it. Not to mention, if any childeren were to come from the relationship it would help them maintain access to what ever resources were accumulated in the marriage. The collar is more of deeply commited trust bond, espacially if it is worn at all times. Doing so not only shows you are owned to people who know what it means but to everyone else as well. As it was said before both are only symbols of comitment the actual act lies between the two individuals. I would just make sure your wills stay updated incase anything should happen.

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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 12/10/2009 9:43:17 AM   
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A large piece of crystalised carbon set in a precious metal over a "stainless steel" collar for me, anyday, thank you very much.


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Lady, to Mae West: GOODNESS! What big diamonds those are!
Mae Wests reply: Goodness had nothin to do with it!


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RE: Which do you consider more of a committment a colla... - 12/10/2009 11:21:17 AM   
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Not to mention, if any childeren were to come from the relationship it would help them maintain access to what ever resources were accumulated in the marriage. I would just make sure your wills stay updated incase anything should happen.


To be clear, within the united states, marriage does not assist children in maintaining access to the rescources accumulated during the marriage. You can not completely disinherit a spouse, you can completely disinherit a child. In the case of intestacy (death with no will), both the spouse and the children will inherit based on the laws in those states. Anyone can contest a will, whether married or not. As much as I hate the example, look at Anna Nicole Smith; the wedding ring did not prevent the children from contesting the will. On the other hand, without a marriage the surviving partner could very well have a much more difficult time having the will upheld, and if there was no will, then they are shit out of luck on anything that was not owned jointly with right of survivorship.

So while the concept of being someone's slave and "hoping" they will take care and provide for you after their death, unless the slave's name is also on that deed or title of ownership, the house will be gone without a will and subject to the will and anyone who contests the will. There have been many threads that talk about providing financially for your sub/slave. Bank accounts in their name, putting property in both names with right of survivorship. Those are things that will protect the sub/slave upon their dominant/master's demise. Joint ownership with right of survivorship IS NOT subject to any will, it automatically becomes the property of the surviving title holder. Of course, a home that had been owned for some time prior to the relationship can be contested. In other words, there is no 100% way to be sure of anything.

As to the OP's question, a wedding ring is a symbol, a collar is a symbol. Symbols are just that. They represent something, they are not the commitment themselves. Certainly we can all opine on which symbol represents more of a commitment. But as Osidegirl said, collars seem to go on and off like disposable lighters. Is that because "some" don't take them as seriously as others? Maybe. After all, plenty of people get married multiple times as well. Is there much difference between doing either thing?

On the other hand for those who say they would marry someone and should the woman take off the wedding ring and leave they would be hurt but get over it, yet if a woman removed her collar they would be devastated....well that says nothing more than that person doesn't put much consideration on who they would marry to begin with.

The reality is that while both a marriage or being collared carry no more commitment than the people involved, it still remains that in a marriage, should promises not be kept, should things happen that makes either party so unhappy they feel the need to end thing, marriage is the only one that will hold real consequences to ending the relationship. Also, for many that "ownership" or "collar" represents a one sided agreement, because they say that "master" must release them, they worry that if they do something wrong, "master" will no longer desire to own them. How many times have we seen threads where the sub/slave is miserable, but says they can't leave because "master" refuses to release them? Yes, their concept of reality has been somewhat altered, because we all know that in reality they can leave if they want to. But it remains that for many the removal of that collar is decided by only one party in the relationship, and that one party makes ALL decisions about what the leaving party will have at the end.

So while for either one, the commitment is only worth what the parties involved attach to it, only one of those things is guaranteed to protect BOTH partners should it end, either by decision or death.

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