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ORIGINAL: Kirata
And, you're modest too.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
Actually I think that when someone is called a "thoughtless bigot," told they have a "lack of intelligence," sees the old "people like you" tossed in, is told the person they're talking to "wouldn't bother having a friendship with" them, it's a rare person who will see that as still being a discussion.

Personal attacks tend to elevate any discussion to argument status. You can't go around calling people every name for stupid other than 'moron,' because they used a word you didn't like, and expect them to view it as a civilized difference of opinion.

I agree with Rhodes and Kirata about the term 'moron' - it hasn't been used diagnostically for decades and it also has another colloquial meaning now. Basically your argument sounds a lot like saying "you shouldn't use the word gay to mean homosexuals, gay means happy and joyous and you're USING IT WRONG."
That being said, I think you have every right to be offended by a person using a word. What you don't seem to realize is that you're also being incredibly offensive and tossing out insults left and right, which gives you absolutely no moral high ground and IMO it looks kind of ridiculous to say someone has a lack of intelligence because he called someone a moron.

"You're stupid because you call people stupid" isn't exactly the best argument, unless you're willing to accept the logical conclusion

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

I don't mind the pot calling the kettle black, so long as the pot realizes it's black too.

Or at least dark.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
Actually I think that when someone is called a "thoughtless bigot," told they have a "lack of intelligence," sees the old "people like you" tossed in, is told the person they're talking to "wouldn't bother having a friendship with" them, it's a rare person who will see that as still being a discussion.

Personal attacks tend to elevate any discussion to argument status. You can't go around calling people every name for stupid other than 'moron,' because they used a word you didn't like, and expect them to view it as a civilized difference of opinion.

I agree with Rhodes and Kirata about the term 'moron' - it hasn't been used diagnostically for decades and it also has another colloquial meaning now. Basically your argument sounds a lot like saying "you shouldn't use the word gay to mean homosexuals, gay means happy and joyous and you're USING IT WRONG."
That being said, I think you have every right to be offended by a person using a word. What you don't seem to realize is that you're also being incredibly offensive and tossing out insults left and right, which gives you absolutely no moral high ground and IMO it looks kind of ridiculous to say someone has a lack of intelligence because he called someone a moron.

"You're stupid because you call people stupid" isn't exactly the best argument, unless you're willing to accept the logical conclusion

Elisabella.
Usually, I dig your posts - but lets at least just get something correct.
I totally knew what I was doing.  I totally 'get' that I was incredibly offensive.  It was meant to be... and you know what?  It proved my point because the minuite I gave what someone was giving I was told I should 'think about what I was saying' by the very people starting the name calling. My point was exactly as you have said to me - I just did it with irony and sarcasm (in case you missed those in my post) because I could pretty much know what the reaction would be and I called them out on it.

People who call others names, get annoyed and upset when the same is done to them.  I simply acted by example how it feels to be called 'stupid' or as they used 'moron'.  Call it provocation if you want - the fact is that people were judging some others on an action and name calling - not only name calling but belittling them, and yet they were the first to be all defensive when it came to them making the assessment that they were being called names by me.

There are plenty of people that have made mistakes etc... plenty people lie.  Some of them are here on the forum and they messed up and have paid for them or regreted them... apologies have been made and some even admit to having indescretions and share the anguish they went through and what their partners had to go through to sometimes let others reading on the forum know that they aren't alone and that guilt is a postive step.  The last thing anyone like that deserves is to be called a 'moron' and grouped in such a broad generalisation by people taking the moral highground when the first thing you do is look at their profile and they are hiding something themselves!  Everyone lies, whether it's holding back some sort of information or not stating their real name on a profile - to those big old lies.

The fact is, I don't dig belittling people because of a single act (other than in this thread and using it as an example) and if you don't understand that, its because you don't know me - and that is all cool - you cannot know everyone.  Sometimes it does people good to experience themselves, what they put others through... then as Merc often says - there are sadists here, what else do you expect?

the.dark.