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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 1:40:37 AM

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What kinds of vision problems would disqualify someone? I don't think that needing corrective lenses is an automatic disqualification as various service members have described the wearing of "birth-control glasses".

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 5:54:22 AM

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So a lifestyle high in junk food + little to no exercise + lack of a focus on education = 70% of American young people are not fit to enlist in the Armed Services.

Now that's a sad state of affairs.

"70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist"

Money spent on early-childhood education today can help protect America's national security tomorrow, former military leaders said yesterday at a news conference in Richmond.

About 70 percent of the nation's military-age young people cannot enlist in the armed forces because of inadequate education, criminal records or physical problems.

"We estimate that only about three out of 10 American youth between the ages of 17 and 24 are fully qualified for military service," said Douglas Smith, a spokesman for the U.S. Army Recruiting Command at Fort Knox, Ky.
It's sad commentary that between inadequate education, criminal records and being physically unfit that 70% of Americans 17-24 can not enlist because they don't meet minimum basic requirements. Shocking, right? The Military has created Mission: Readiness, a program aimed at helping young people get healthy and fit for life and the military."

http://www.army.com/blog/item/5866

And that to me, is a good thing, for it will enable the US to think about the art of diplomacy instead of bullying countries with troops and expensive armaments. Maybe the US will think twice about being the world's police force, if it does not have the troops to field, and by that, perhaps less interference in world politics, you might actually get a government that serves you for once, instead of the big weapons manufacturers and corporations with a vested interest in war.

But of course, the armament companies have seen this, for they are constantly researching the use of drone weapons, stuff that is effective with the minimal of personnel, for they will continue their business regardless of whether a country can field the troops or not. Oh and the inevitable is possible, those big corporations could well become the bed partner of a foreign government, as business is business, and there are no friends in business.

The unfit soldier material, is much the same in the UK as well, but maybe we are all heading for the age of keeping our noses out of other countries affairs and getting on with our own lives age.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 7:21:41 AM

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At one time I was considering the USAF. Yes really ! I happen to know some who rolled out of there with a fantastic technical education and wound up with great jobs afterward. However at the time I was informed that having 20/20 vision is a prerequisite for being a pilot so I gave it up. I mean I dream of stealing a fighter jet. Even though they told me I could probably test into an E4 with my background I pretty much nixed the idea.

From then on the recruiters wouldn't leave me alone, and this was the late 1970s.

I shudder to think how it would be today if we got into a real war instead of all these play wars, if we actually picked on someone our own size. We would be up shit creek without a paddle.

I have theories on why. First of all when we were young and got the sniffles we got a box of tissues and some chicken soup. Now it's a trip to the ER. Many other factors have contributed to this of course. Malnutrition, of which obesity is a symptom, is rampant now. The old document 264, supposedly debunked, was an attempt at trying to correct or at least define the situation. This was way before the school lunch program.

I probably should've joined the USAF anyway. Of course there would be the chance I would have to put my ass on the line, but my future, if any, would have been better. They would have traded me a good measure of personal discipline for some service, and that possible risk.

I am one of the most undisciplined creatures you'll ever run across. What I am typoing right now, I could be at work making money, but I go in when I damn well please. The other day I was opening my mail and got the gas bill. I said "Due December third eh ? Well you get it when I am good and fucking ready". My buddy was sitting there and said "Gotta love this guy". Hey, it's not a credit account so, so what ? Really, bootcamp would've helped me I think.

I wonder what's happening from this angle in other countries, are they having the same problems ? In some countries there is mandatory military service for all, or all males. Are people trying to get disqualified ?

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 7:46:06 AM

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Walk by any grade school in the Country and you will see just what they are talking about. I would say that close to half are overweight and heading to obese.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 7:50:05 AM

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4bd, that's all true. That's why Veterans make very sought after employees when they get out.
And yes, there's a lot more fatties out there today!

I'm 58 and a disabled veteran and I could run circles around most of them! They take three flights of stairs and they're all pooped out from lugging that fatbody around with them and they're in their 20's!

Sad but true, popeye. At 52, I fly up three flights of stairs several times a day carrying two bags stuffed with books, bad knees and elbows and all, while the 19-22 year olds wearily plod along. And these kids are supposedly more into sports than the average!

Then I go home, run or ski with the dog or an hour or two, and do the outside work.

Kids go inside and text their friends.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 8:00:46 AM

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What kinds of vision problems would disqualify someone? I don't think that needing corrective lenses is an automatic disqualification as various service members have described the wearing of "birth-control glasses".

Certain types of astigmatism. Vision doesn't have to be 20/20 to be sure, but it still has to be within a certain parameter.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 8:09:10 AM

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Personally, I think the draft should be reinstated. When you serve in the military as I have, It makes you realize that half a million soldiers have died for this country, and freedom certainly isn't free.

This country has been turned into a nation of wimps by the liberals, and everytime the going gets tough, they want to surrender, and negotiate. Before you know it Iran and Iraq will combine for a nuclear armed muslim superpower, then it will be too late. They will invade Kuwait again, and this time they may even invade Saudi Arabia, since the Saudi's are viewed by many hardliners as American sympathizers.

There should be only one way for males to get out of service and being overweight is not one of them. If a sissy can get 75% of his classmates to declare him unfit for duty, then that should exclude them. Otherwise, put your damn uniform on and do something with your life.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 8:12:27 AM

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Personally, I think the draft should be reinstated. When you serve in the military as I have, It makes you realize that half a million soldiers have died for this country, and freedom certainly isn't free.

This country has been turned into a nation of wimps by the liberals, and everytime the going gets tough, they want to surrender, and negotiate. Before you know it Iran and Iraq will combine for a nuclear armed muslim superpower, then it will be too late. They will invade Kuwait again, and this time they may even invade Saudi Arabia, since the Saudi's are viewed by many hardliners as American sympathizers.

There should be only one way for males to get out of service and being overweight is not one of them. If a sissy can get 75% of his classmates to declare him unfit for duty, then that should exclude them. Otherwise, put your damn uniform on and do something with your life.

Wow...anti-diplomacy, insulting to anyone who doesn't share your reactionary political agenda, completely ignorant of middle eastern politcs and homophobic all in the same post. You've outdone yourself.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 8:33:12 AM

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This country has been turned into a nation of wimps by the liberals...

Because, of course, there's never been a case of a war being started by a Democrat, has there? Clinton made a point of keeping America out of the UN forces in Yugoslavia that was, and Kennedy made a point of not intervening in south east Asia.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 8:41:26 AM

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One would almost wonder whether war were a bad thing, sometime to be avoided when not absolutely necessary.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 8:46:57 AM

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One would almost wonder whether war were a bad thing, sometime to be avoided when not absolutely necessary.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 8:57:49 AM

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It doesn't take much these days.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:03:53 AM

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Oh, tell me about it. I'd find all this crap about Obama being a socialist hilarious if the people spouting it won't so deadly serious and appallingly misinformed.
You'd almost think that there was some sort of media conspiracy to make people stupid so that they're easier to manipulate...

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:10:59 AM

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Personally, I think the draft should be reinstated. When you serve in the military as I have, It makes you realize that half a million soldiers have died for this country, and freedom certainly isn't free.

This country has been turned into a nation of wimps by the liberals, and everytime the going gets tough, they want to surrender, and negotiate. Before you know it Iran and Iraq will combine for a nuclear armed muslim superpower, then it will be too late. They will invade Kuwait again, and this time they may even invade Saudi Arabia, since the Saudi's are viewed by many hardliners as American sympathizers.

There should be only one way for males to get out of service and being overweight is not one of them. If a sissy can get 75% of his classmates to declare him unfit for duty, then that should exclude them. Otherwise, put your damn uniform on and do something with your life.

Yeah, Damn that liberal Reagan for selling arms to iran, or Bush sr. for selling armaments to Iraq....haha, sorry, but when you make a blanket statement like that ,your leaving your self WIDE open for that little jab called reality, truth is the more prosperous we become, the less We(young people of the country) have had anything really to strive for, at least in our day to day lives. and who's fault is that, liberals are just as guilty as conservative on this one, when you let your kid watch tv for six hours a day, drive them to every Frigg'n place they gotta go instead of make'n em walk or ride a bike because of "safety", when you hand little Johny or Jane twenty bucks to go to the mall or movies just so you don't halfta deal with them for a few moments, then you're helping the problem.. Guess the "IronMan" suites are gonna halfta be in extra large if we're ever gonna maintain our stance as Military Super power of the world, but I'm guessing we're more likely just gonna outsource that too lol

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:18:54 AM

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This country has been turned into a nation of wimps by the liberals, and everytime the going gets tough, they want to surrender, and negotiate. Before you know it Iran and Iraq will combine for a nuclear armed muslim superpower...

Just what Rush Limbaugh Bill Kristol, Dick Cheney, and GWB would say! These brave strong men were of age during the Vietnam War, when the Communists were killing 100 American boys a week;

Rush of course, had a bad back or limp dick, or something; but otherwise he woulda fought!

And Bill Kristol discovered that he could serve his country by patrolling Harvard Yard hunting for Communists; but otherwise he woulda fought!

And Cheney had- what was it he said? Oh yeah, he had "Other Priorities"- but otherwise he woulda fought!

And GWB- he discovered that the skies over Texas were in danger, and spent the war protecting them from- well, nobody knows what; but otherwise he woulda fought!

But today, when the terrorists are killing Americans, the sons and daughters of these fine courageous neocons are to be found serving their nation on the front ranks of the, um, hedge funds and think tanks, or spearheading financial delegations to Iraq to negotiate favorable terms for oil contracts.

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"But otherwise we woulda fought!"

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:26:24 AM

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Which is probably just as well, really: just imagine what a liability that shower of witless cunts would have been if they'd ever found their way into a war...

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:32:15 AM

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Personally, I think the draft should be reinstated. When you serve in the military as I have, It makes you realize that half a million soldiers have died for this country, and freedom certainly isn't free.

This country has been turned into a nation of wimps by the liberals, and everytime the going gets tough, they want to surrender, and negotiate. Before you know it Iran and Iraq will combine for a nuclear armed muslim superpower, then it will be too late. They will invade Kuwait again, and this time they may even invade Saudi Arabia, since the Saudi's are viewed by many hardliners as American sympathizers.

There should be only one way for males to get out of service and being overweight is not one of them. If a sissy can get 75% of his classmates to declare him unfit for duty, then that should exclude them. Otherwise, put your damn uniform on and do something with your life.

Unless I'm mistaken, I'm the only one to post on this forum who is within this age range...but come on!
Yes, many soldiers have died defending the United States. So many more have died for reasons that, to me, seem to have no ethical validation.

I am in shape and a good shot with a semiautomatic handgun - are you suggesting that these are the ONLY possible ways I can contribute to this country?

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:38:38 AM

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When did they quit giving that option in court? I served with two people in the early '90s who had been given that choice. Both were basically good guys who screwed up and a judge gave them a chance to make something out of themselves. I had been told even that the courts no longer gave such options... then I met those two guys.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 10:04:00 AM

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So a lifestyle high in junk food + little to no exercise + lack of a focus on education = 70% of American young people are not fit to enlist in the Armed Services.

Now that's a sad state of affairs.

"70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist"

Money spent on early-childhood education today can help protect America's national security tomorrow, former military leaders said yesterday at a news conference in Richmond.

About 70 percent of the nation's military-age young people cannot enlist in the armed forces because of inadequate education, criminal records or physical problems.

"We estimate that only about three out of 10 American youth between the ages of 17 and 24 are fully qualified for military service," said Douglas Smith, a spokesman for the U.S. Army Recruiting Command at Fort Knox, Ky.
It's sad commentary that between inadequate education, criminal records and being physically unfit that 70% of Americans 17-24 can not enlist because they don't meet minimum basic requirements. Shocking, right? The Military has created Mission: Readiness, a program aimed at helping young people get healthy and fit for life and the military."

http://www.army.com/blog/item/5866

And that to me, is a good thing, for it will enable the US to think about the art of diplomacy instead of bullying countries with troops and expensive armaments. Maybe the US will think twice about being the world's police force, if it does not have the troops to field, and by that, perhaps less interference in world politics, you might actually get a government that serves you for once, instead of the big weapons manufacturers and corporations with a vested interest in war.

But of course, the armament companies have seen this, for they are constantly researching the use of drone weapons, stuff that is effective with the minimal of personnel, for they will continue their business regardless of whether a country can field the troops or not. Oh and the inevitable is possible, those big corporations could well become the bed partner of a foreign government, as business is business, and there are no friends in business.

The unfit soldier material, is much the same in the UK as well, but maybe we are all heading for the age of keeping our noses out of other countries affairs and getting on with our own lives age.

Aneirin, you are correct.
Unfortunatly our country is run by big corporations.
They're always looking for the "profit" in war.
You can tell when the govt is trying to manipulate us to get involved in someone elses' problems, they start using phrases like "peace-keeper". "ethnic cleansing" (whatever the hell THAT means!) "Genocide" etc.
We're supposed to, "feel sorry" for those countries or peoples that the big corporations want to use to make money off of!
Then, they can start stealing our Taxdollars when the president and congress ahem,......"appropriate" *our money* for those,....."problems."
You watch, I bet Obama starts talking about "Darfur" and all the "genocide", "ethnic cleansing" and "peace keepers" and "foreign aid" that "WE" should be doing! And you can bet that the champaign corks will be popping in the lobbyists' offices on K Street in D.C.!
Kind of reminds me of that scene in "Goodfellas" when Henry Hill is in the shower and hears about the Lufthansa heist on the radio; "JIMMEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
"BARAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!"
"See! He's not such a bad president after all!" "We're gonna make a FUCKING KILLING!!!!"
"DRINK UP BOYS!!!" "We're gonna make a lotta money with this guy!"
"Now start running that "starving children" footage in all the major markets!"
"But Boss, we only have footage of starving children in India not Africa!"
"Then run it anyway! The stupid Taxpayers won't know the differance!"
"C'mon, hurry up, I want to stop by the Mercedes dealer first before we hit the stripper!"

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 10:10:47 AM

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Unfortunatly our country is run by big corporations.
They're always looking for the "profit" in war.
You can tell when the govt is trying to manipulate us

Exactly, popeye. And not new--been that way for two centuries.

And yet, the puppets keep buying into the Left/Right theater--the majority of the country is moderate, but they keep presenting events and policy through that distorted lens, and people go off parroting the talking points, like the misdirected audience at an illusionist's show, willingly looking in the wrong direction and at the wrong things.

Or perhaps more accurately, enthralled in the engineered street fight while accomplices pick their pockets.

Then their followers call each other stupid and misguided. They're both right--just not for the reasons they think.

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