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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 10:11:38 AM

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Which is probably just as well, really: just imagine what a liability that shower of witless cunts would have been if they'd ever found their way into a war...

Well we "lost" the war anyway(not like there was any reachable goal we had there anyway), couldn't have hurt the good ol US of A to have lost a few "witless cunts" while we were at it

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 10:25:46 AM

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A good point, well made.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 10:43:26 AM

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many soldiers have died defending the United States.

When?

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 10:48:09 AM

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many soldiers have died defending the United States.

When?

H.

What are you talking about?

First, you're quoting as if I posted that, and I didn't, anywhere. Whom are you talking to? Certainly not me.

Second, it seems a straightforward historical point, whomever you're addressing.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 11:45:31 AM

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I am in shape and a good shot with a semiautomatic handgun - are you suggesting that these are the ONLY possible ways I can contribute to this country?

I was going to write something pithy and profound in reply, but the mental image of that nekkid girl in your profile, wielding a semiautomatic.....just...um....

sorry

what was I saying?

nevermind

I need to go take care of something....

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 11:54:44 AM

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many soldiers have died defending the United States.

When?

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Go back to your bridge

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 12:23:24 PM

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When did they quit giving that option in court? I served with two people in the early '90s who had been given that choice. Both were basically good guys who screwed up and a judge gave them a chance to make something out of themselves. I had been told even that the courts no longer gave such options... then I met those two guys.

The US Navy wasn't allowing it in the mid 80's when I enlisted. They specifically asked if you were trying to enlist as part of a court order.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 2:07:37 PM

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I am in shape and a good shot with a semiautomatic handgun - are you suggesting that these are the ONLY possible ways I can contribute to this country?

I was going to write something pithy and profound in reply, but the mental image of that nekkid girl in your profile, wielding a semiautomatic.....just...um....

sorry

what was I saying?

nevermind

I need to go take care of something....

I'll take that as a compliment...I think...tee hee
I was going to type "I'm a lady!!" but I couldn't keep a straight face....

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 2:54:29 PM

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In the Viet Nam era and pre-lottery I think half enlistees were there to avoid jail.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 8:42:05 PM

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many soldiers have died defending the United States.

When?

H.

What are you talking about?

First, you're quoting as if I posted that, and I didn't, anywhere. Whom are you talking to? Certainly not me.

Second, it seems a straightforward historical point, whomever you're addressing.

Sorry Tim it was meant as a fast reply and it wound up under your name.
My question was simply, when has any Americn died defending the U.S.?

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:04:06 PM

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1812.

6,765 Causalties
2,260 Killed in Action

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:09:14 PM

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While I'm not willing to concede all conflicts we were involved post Civil War...could not a case be made that Union soldiers were fighting to defend and preserve the Union?

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:11:09 PM

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Several cases, if you ask me.

But if somebody wants to go off on a nutty "no one has ever died defending the U.S.," look no further than the War of 1812, fought right here.

I will never understand the point of these "discussions."

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:17:40 PM

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Well to be honest Tim...I walked softly on the Civil War and added a qualifier in hopes of at the least muting the expected replys characterising the war as one of Northern Aggression.....I have done that dance here more times than I care to recount.:)

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:18:52 PM

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While I'm not willing to concede all conflicts we were involved post Civil War...could not a case be made that Union soldiers were fighting to defend and preserve the Union?

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I think you'd have to count World War II as well, but aside from that every other war we've fought in the last 200 years - including WWI - would be at best debatable and in some cases not even close. Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, the current Iraq war... nobody in any of these conflicts was or is defending the United States. Defending our national interests? Sure. Defending our country? A whole different subject altogether.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:20:13 PM

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In regards to the OP, maybe they'd have a better chance at finding the 30% recruitable people if they didn't set up stands at the grocery store and harass... THE FUCKING GOTH KID! Oh, and insulting him because he has a nice car that he bought on his own by saying, "Hey man, maybe you could stop driving dad's car and become a man."

I have to hand it to them: the military has awesome tactics for this recruiting thing. Quite an impressive bunch of men who work that department. Because ya know... the goth kid never has a MENTAL HEALTH BACKGROUND ASSHOLE!

Okay, sorry. Had to vent. Continue please.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:22:26 PM

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To answer the question about being given the choice of jail or military....

The Army addresses this issue in the Army Recruiting Regulation, Army Regulation 601-210, paragraph 4-8b: "Applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment.."

The Air Force Recruiting Regulation, AETCI 36-2002, table 1-1, lines 7 and 8, makes an applicant ineligible for enlistment if they are "released from restraint, or civil suit, or charges on the condition of entering military service, if the restraint, civil suit, or criminal charges would be reinstated if the applicant does not enter military service."

The Marine Corps Recruiting Regulation, MCO P1100.72B, Chapter 3, Section 2, Part H, Paragraph 12 states: "Applicants may not enlist as an alternative to criminal prosecution, indictment, incarceration, parole, probation, or other punitive sentence. They are ineligible for enlistment until the original assigned sentence would have been completed."

In the Coast Guard, enlistment prohibition is contained in the Coast Guard Recruiting Manual, M1100.2D, Table 2-A.

Interestingly, the Navy Recruiting Manual, COMNAVCRUITCOMINST 1130.8F, does not appear to contain any provisions which would make such applicants ineligible for enlistment. However, I've been informed by several Navy recruiters that the Navy will not accept applicants for service, as an alternative to criminal prosecution or other punitive sentence.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/joinprison.htm

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:32:58 PM

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I'd like to go a little further on the "died while defending their contry" remark.....despite a Nations perhaps spurious interests for engaging in a conflict I would suggest that any man/woman who dons their countries uniform and goes in harms way could be said to have died defending their country.....certainly they have died in service of their country no matter the rigthousness of the goals said country was pursuing.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:40:06 PM

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I'd like to go a little further on the "died while defending their contry" remark.....despite a Nations perhaps spurious interests for engaging in a conflict I would suggest that any man/woman who dons their countries uniform and goes in harms way could be said to have died defending their country.....certainly they have died in service of their country no matter the rigthousness of the goals said country was pursuing.

Dying in the service of your country is not the same as dying in defense of it. We weren't defending our country from the North Vietnamese; they had no interest in coming here. Same with Iraq. Nobody in Iraq today is defending the United States. Nobody in Iraq in Desert Storm was defending the US, they were defending Saudi and Kuwaiti oil supplies. It's only by a convoluted logical contortion that they could be said to be actually defending the country.

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RE: "70% Of Young People Unfit to Enlist" - 11/20/2009 9:54:34 PM

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Convoluted logic or not Panda....the sacrifice still amounts to what Lincoln called "the last full measure of devotion"...their countries decision,as I said,spurious or not does not in any way detract from that sacrifice......that was the only point I was trying to make.
The larger question of defending ,or not defending, their country might have merit but does not in any way shape or form diminish the individual sacrifice.

Panda I am in no way suggesting here that you or anyone else was diminishing that sacrifice.....still just reacting to the original post...which I thought was a tad dismissive of US servicemen

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