quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Where's "DomKen" when you need him?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Lord Monkton......The guy even Glen Beck caught lying, and John Bolton found to be extremist in his views.

Firm is this really meant to prove everyone wrong about climate change ? I mean really, is this the best you can offer as evidence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/oct/30/lord-monckton-glenn-beck-copenhagen

"And then there was the humiliation of being fact-checked by Beck - who pointed out that Monckton had told two "pants-on-fire" lies in his dire prophesies of a world government takeover."

quote:

Copenhagen summit veering towards farce, warns Ed Miliband

Climate talks at least 18 hours behind schedule as world leaders set to arrive in Copenhagen

The climate change summit in Copenhagen was in jeopardy tonight with the complex negotiations falling far behind schedule as the climate secretary, Ed Miliband, warned of a "farce".

With just two days remaining, the inability to overcome disagreements about the shape of a deal to combat global warming led to hours of inaction today , while outside the negotiations police clashed with protesters who broke through a security cordon but failed in an attempt to storm the conference centre.

"We have made no progress" said a source close to the talks. "What people don't realise is that we are now not really ready for the leaders. These talks are now 18 hours late."

Full article at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/16/copenhagen-summit-miliband-farce-warning

quote:

Putting our economy in the hands of Chavez fans

[img]http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/hugo-chavez.jpg[/img]

These maniacs in Copenhagen are voting on your future:


President Chavez brought the house down.


When he said the process in Copenhagen was “not democratic, it is not inclusive, but isn’t that the reality of our world, the world is really and imperial dictatorship…down with imperial dictatorships” he got a rousing round of applause.


When he said there was a “silent and terrible ghost in the room” and that ghost was called capitalism, the applause was deafening.


But then he wound up to his grand conclusion – 20 minutes after his 5 minute speaking time was supposed to have ended and after quoting everyone from Karl Marx to Jesus Christ - “our revolution seeks to help all people…socialism, the other ghost that is probably wandering around this room, that’s the way to save the planet, capitalism is the road to hell....let’s fight against capitalism and make it obey us.” He won a standing ovation.


Full article (with video) at: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/putting_our_economy_in_the_hands_of_chavez_fans

quote:

Ja, Merc, pragmatics must also consider the downsides, and overall I agree that alot of stuff off the mark is being caviled about here and elsewhere, but I am a clean air and water guy, (if you remember your outlook on the corps of engineers 'pork' for the waterways, and your subsequent post re engineers:New Orleans (which I am still trying to resolve what appears to be opposite stances) since I use the shit alot, and am rather accustomed to retain that stuff in my lifestyle, in fact, I consider it a need, not a want

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
perhaps in that dry climate the dripping sarcasm of my post has evaporated by the time you read it.

I am for clean water and air.
I am for huge severe fines in any of the industries that pollute, even in retro, so we can clean up the pollution.
the 100B can go to the corps of engineers to pay for that waterway pork we talked about last year.
Ron

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

Russia affected by Climategate

...

On Tuesday, the Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably tampered with Russian-climate data.

The IEA believes that Russian meteorological-station data did not substantiate the anthropogenic global-warming theory.

Analysts say Russian meteorological stations cover most of the country's territory, and that the Hadley Center had used data submitted by only 25% of such stations in its reports.

Over 40% of Russian territory was not included in global-temperature calculations for some other reasons, rather than the lack of meteorological stations and observations.

The data of stations located in areas not listed in the Hadley Climate Research Unit Temperature UK (HadCRUT) survey often does not show any substantial warming in the late 20th century and the early 21st century.

The HadCRUT database includes specific stations providing incomplete data and highlighting the global-warming process, rather than stations facilitating uninterrupted observations.
On the whole, climatologists use the incomplete findings of meteorological stations far more often than those providing complete observations.

IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations.

The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world's land mass. The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.

Global-temperature data will have to be modified if similar climate-date procedures have been used from other national data because the calculations used by COP15 analysts, including financial calculations, are based on HadCRUT research.

***

Most information that points to data manipulation.

Firm

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

And just yesterday I read right here on CM about how Russia was our enemy.

Can you say strange bedfellows?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Contrary evidence be damned! Lost jobs and the current state of the economy be damned!

Hilliary has the US donating $100 Billion to a religion!

The planet may be saved after all, and it will only cost $100 billion.

Just as the Copenhagen climate summit appeared to be on the verge of unraveling, the United States Thursday announced its support of an annual $100 billion climate protection fund, the Associated Press reports.

"The US is prepared to work with other countries toward a goal of jointly mobilizing $100 billion a year by 2020 to address the climate change needs of developing countries," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said.

China, the world's most polluted country, and India have reportedly been blocking the progress of negotiations in Copenhagen.

The US went to war no believing on the ground inspectors for WMD's. Will that same attitude prevail when China and India laugh at the 'inspectors' coming to validate their emissions reductions?

Here's another distinction regarding this religious belief and us heretics - there is nobody giving $100 Billion to those who don't believe in the religion of global warming and just want a job to pay for their 'home warming'. Sorry - the priorities have been set - without a private jet - you are in the way of progress. Unless of course you are a 'believer'; then you will rationalize how this crisis is real depite evidence that it is based on manipulated data.

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Contrary evidence be damned! Lost jobs and the current state of the economy be damned!

Hilliary has the US donating $100 Billion to a religion!

The planet may be saved after all, and it will only cost $100 billion.

Just as the Copenhagen climate summit appeared to be on the verge of unraveling, the United States Thursday announced its support of an annual $100 billion climate protection fund, the Associated Press reports.

"The US is prepared to work with other countries toward a goal of jointly mobilizing $100 billion a year by 2020 to address the climate change needs of developing countries," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said.

China, the world's most polluted country, and India have reportedly been blocking the progress of negotiations in Copenhagen.

The US went to war no believing on the ground inspectors for WMD's. Will that same attitude prevail when China and India laugh at the 'inspectors' coming to validate their emissions reductions?

Here's another distinction regarding this religious belief and us heretics - there is nobody giving $100 Billion to those who don't believe in the religion of global warming and just want a job to pay for their 'home warming'. Sorry - the priorities have been set - without a private jet - you are in the way of progress. Unless of course you are a 'believer'; then you will rationalize how this crisis is real depite evidence that it is based on manipulated data.

Merc, *Excellent* posts!
You get an "A"! You should "multi-task" more often!

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

And just yesterday I read right here on CM about how Russia was our enemy.

Can you say strange bedfellows?

Do you have a point, other than exercising a lame attempt at some kind of sarcastic humor?

I haven't said anything about Russia being "our enemy". 

And even if I did, how does that somehow discredit the report (which, we all know, was your actual intent)?

In fact, taking your snarky comment as fact, then if Russia is indeed our enemy, it makes it all the more likely that they would continue to support "AGW", doesn't it?

Firm