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trealeon -> RE: training (12/22/2009 7:18:30 AM)

When did "train" become taboo? Is there some new "politically correct" word now? I don't get it. I know Dom's who call their subs sluts, whores, etc. and they enjoy that... but apparently saying you're "training" is crossing the line now? LOL

As LadyPact said above me, I don't really "train" on every day tasks (unless there is one she really doesn't know how to do). My training is on how I want things done and I think it's an appropriate word for what is being done. Some people mentioned "job training" and I think it's a good comparison. When you get to a new job, you may know a lot of the tasks they want you to do, but they still train you to do it their way, following their rules and policies. That's what I do.




Elisabella -> RE: training (12/22/2009 7:20:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: osf

can we come up with a different concept than train/training?


Oh I forgot to actually reply - what exactly is it you're asking? Are you asking for a different word or a different dynamic?

I don't particularly like the word training either when it comes to D/s things because to me it either implies my knowledge is lacking or that he's trying to get some sort of pavlovian puppy response out of me. Something about the word just squicks me...but then again I guess the concept does too.

Training to me means that the dominant is actively and intentionally working through a process to mold the submissive into something new. I'm going to preface this with the standard "if it works for you it's fine" but for me it's not a desirable relationship dynamic.

I submit to him out of love. And to be honest I submit to him in ways that he doesn't even recognize, I can, off the top of my head, think of three major life decisions that I submitted to him in, that I'm pretty sure he never even thinks about or considers a form of submission - where we live, what type of wedding we're having, and whether or not we'll have children. The first is the only one that I didn't have a strong and definite opinion about.

And personally I think the fact that I'm willing to give up having kids, or the wedding of my dreams, or not fly back to visit the US every year or whatnot means a lot more than, say, him 'training' me to do something like calling him by some sort of title or honorific or something, or being trained to ask permission before I have breakfast, or other things like that which come to my mind when I think of the word 'training' - for me at least the only real submission I do is when it comes from the heart, when my reasoning is "because I love him" rather than "because he told me to" or "because he trained me to."




osf -> RE: training (12/22/2009 7:26:46 AM)

even a stricter definition of training would suffice. i think it's much misused. i've read many profiles of women that have a long list of things they were trained in, most of which is totally laughable, just my opinion




Elisabella -> RE: training (12/22/2009 7:53:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: osf

even a stricter definition of training would suffice. i think it's much misused. i've read many profiles of women that have a long list of things they were trained in, most of which is totally laughable, just my opinion


Well once one of them is yours, you can train her to use the word differently [;)]




osf -> RE: training (12/22/2009 7:57:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: osf

even a stricter definition of training would suffice. i think it's much misused. i've read many profiles of women that have a long list of things they were trained in, most of which is totally laughable, just my opinion


Well once one of them is yours, you can train her to use the word differently [;)]


can't i just tell her?

training takes too long




Elisabella -> RE: training (12/22/2009 8:03:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: osf


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: osf

even a stricter definition of training would suffice. i think it's much misused. i've read many profiles of women that have a long list of things they were trained in, most of which is totally laughable, just my opinion


Well once one of them is yours, you can train her to use the word differently [;)]


can't i just tell her?

training takes too long


Find her first. Then worry about the details.

Because for all you know you might not even have to tell her. As strange as it may sound (and it even sounds strange to me at 3 am) there might be a woman out there who's like, totally compatible with you.

The fact that I started typing "combustible" rather than "compatible" makes this prospect a bit worrying though. [X(][X(][X(]




osf -> RE: training (12/22/2009 8:10:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: osf


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella


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ORIGINAL: osf

even a stricter definition of training would suffice. i think it's much misused. i've read many profiles of women that have a long list of things they were trained in, most of which is totally laughable, just my opinion


Well once one of them is yours, you can train her to use the word differently [;)]


can't i just tell her?

training takes too long


Find her first. Then worry about the details.

Because for all you know you might not even have to tell her. As strange as it may sound (and it even sounds strange to me at 3 am) there might be a woman out there who's like, totally compatible with you.

The fact that I started typing "combustible" rather than "compatible" makes this prospect a bit worrying though. [X(][X(][X(]



maybe i'll just go kidnap one




marycnt -> RE: training (12/22/2009 8:16:40 AM)

can someone direct me to a site for  protocol? thank you.




osf -> RE: training (12/22/2009 8:22:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: marycnt

can someone direct me to a site for  protocol? thank you.


google bdsm protocol




lally2 -> RE: training (12/22/2009 11:02:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: osf

but to perform everyday tasks shouldn't some instruction suffice?



yes it should. and if you find youreself a service orientated submissive she'll be happily performing tasks all day long for you, i imagine. but if you wanted her to do things she isnt used to doing or you wanted her to do things in a specific way then you would have to instruct her on that. add to that some high protocol about assuming a position when you walk into the room, keep her eyes down or whatever and she's never done that sort of thing before you need to instruct her on that too.

some people call it training you call it instruction. its a bit like the 'tomaytoe/tomato' thing




osf -> RE: training (12/22/2009 11:06:43 AM)

being a dom seems like a lot of work




OttersSwim -> RE: training (12/22/2009 11:11:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: osf

can we come up with a different concept than train/training?


I believe the term is "marriage"  [;)]




LadyPact -> RE: training (12/22/2009 11:12:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim
I believe the term is "marriage"  [;)]


Cute, but I'm not particularly sure that one would work for Me.  LOL.




LafayetteLady -> RE: training (12/22/2009 11:19:12 AM)

FR-

While I understand the analogy with a new "job," the point is that for me it is a relationship not a job. I prefer to think of many of the things as being "getting to know one another." In a good relationship, we all try to do things that make our SO happy. After all, doesn't a d-type "learn" what signals and ways of doing things gets the best response from their s-type? Some respond well to punishment, others to positive reinforcement. Of course these things should be discussed prior to entering the relationship, but the point is it is still "learning."

Being a bit anal retentive about things like folding, I can't imagine anyone telling me they have a more efficient way of doing it (yes it is pathetic that I have done a lot of trial and error to find a way to fold that makes things fit best in the space available). I think a big thing for me is that the end result is what is important in most tasks. I cook many things without measuring, it isn't necessary for the recipes. So for someone to come along and try to "train" me to measure things out because that is how they want it is just micro managing to me. Realistically in cooking, you want a tasty meal on the table, the process shouldn't be as important.





lally2 -> RE: training (12/22/2009 11:24:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: osf

being a dom seems like a lot of work


hm, well, ooooorrr, you could find one already trained or has had some experience [:D]




osf -> RE: training (12/22/2009 11:26:30 AM)

cant i just keep her tied in the closet and take her out when i need her?




lally2 -> RE: training (12/22/2009 12:11:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: osf

cant i just keep her tied in the closet and take her out when i need her?


of course you can. find someone who is happy to live in a closet and youre made.




WyldHrt -> RE: training (12/22/2009 1:33:37 PM)

I believe Mercnbeth had a guy who wanted to live in their crawlspace. Maybe he would be interested [:D]




WyldHrt -> RE: training (12/22/2009 1:42:00 PM)

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While I understand the analogy with a new "job," the point is that for me it is a relationship not a job. I prefer to think of many of the things as being "getting to know one another." In a good relationship, we all try to do things that make our SO happy. After all, doesn't a d-type "learn" what signals and ways of doing things gets the best response from their s-type? Some respond well to punishment, others to positive reinforcement. Of course these things should be discussed prior to entering the relationship, but the point is it is still "learning."

Of course it is. My post was mostly in response to your assertion that animals are trained, people aren't.
That said, call it "getting to know each other", "teaching", "learning", "instruction", or "training"; it all pretty much comes down to the same thing, no matter what term is used.
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Being a bit anal retentive about things like folding, I can't imagine anyone telling me they have a more efficient way of doing it (yes it is pathetic that I have done a lot of trial and error to find a way to fold that makes things fit best in the space available). I think a big thing for me is that the end result is what is important in most tasks. I cook many things without measuring, it isn't necessary for the recipes. So for someone to come along and try to "train" me to measure things out because that is how they want it is just micro managing to me. Realistically in cooking, you want a tasty meal on the table, the process shouldn't be as important.

Which is cool for you (it is for me, too), but some people on both sides of the kneel get off on things like micromanagement, exacting protocols, and the like.




mstrslve4fun -> RE: training (12/22/2009 3:45:43 PM)

Honestly, though, isn't the whole 'training' thing about breaking down the walls we've contructed around ourselves, and to learn to put our power into the Master's hands?

And, for what it's worth, as a slave, I can cook a 5 course meal, make my own clothes, completely redo a bathroom, including plumbing, tiling, and the electrical, do simple fixes to the cars, and install a built in dishwasher (all of which I have done).




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