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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/26/2009 5:46:45 PM   
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So when you announce "turn left here" and it's a one way road the wrong way, you still expect her to obey without question? Because you will give stupid commands, don't doubt it, and if you insist on her doing things that will risk her safety, her freedom, her job, her family or her life you won't get obedience.

My job isn't to help him fuck up on those occasions, it's to have his back and point out his mistakes before he pours water into the oil reservoir for example.

As far as not putting on clothes, you really want her to get sick because you've told her first not to interrupt you while you're gaming and she's freezing without socks or a sweater?

Honestly those kinds of rules only work in the bedroom. If you want a more encompassing d/s relationship then you need to think about daily life and the impact your rules will have.

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/26/2009 9:36:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

quote:

ORIGINAL: shahaba

...do you have any suggestions?



Sure thing... here ya go:

No shitting in the car.
 
No exluding the family pets from Movie Night.
 
Hot dogs may only be eaten with chop sticks.
 
Apologies are to be directly given to any fruit or veggie prior to eating, 'cause they have feelings too!
 
No green pens or markers in the house... ever!  That goes for pencils too.
 
No abbreviation of television as "TV"... same holds true of Kentucky Fried Chicken, aka KFC.
 
All corners are to be folded at 90 degrees... 'cause if it's not a RIGHT angle, it's a WRONG angle!
 
No playing "Hide 'n Seek" at Walmart.
 
No humming of the "Andy Griffith Show" theme music.
 
No skinny-dipping in water... only Jell-O... and LIME Jell-O at that.
 
All CDs and DVDs are to be stored in REVERSE alphabetical order.
 
Upon waking, stand atop a chair and shout, "Oh Captain, My Captain!"
 
The word "pickle" shall NEVER be used in this house.
 
Craft a 6ft tall by 4ft wide tribute to whomever wins each years American Idol.
 
Count aloud the turns required to both remove and replace any light bulbs.
 
Bath soap shall be limited to ONLY those with an "O" in the brand name.
 
Breasts must always GLISTEN... keep a spray bottle on you at all times.
 
Be able to sing the School House Rock "Noun" song upon request.
 
Never run with scissors... 'cause that just makes good sense, dammit!!!


Okay... that should get you started.  NOW CRACK THE WHIP, 'cause the stupid cunt needs to learn!!!




MasterSlaveLA those rules are quite AWESOME! and I could totally see my Master requesting me to recite school house rock at the drop of a hat, However My Master makes my rules very easy.
MASTER MAKES THE RULES! Listen and obey dammit or you won't be a slave anymore.
ans MASTER MAY MAKE NEW RULES OR CHANGE THEM AS HE PLEASES! That's why he's Master and I'm slave.

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/26/2009 10:13:00 PM   
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if he was to tell me to jump off a bridge I'd say fuck no. And then call him a douche.

:O !

What if it was this bridge? Hmmm?!?!



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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/26/2009 10:31:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero
What if it was this bridge? Hmmm?!?!


That's a really pretty bridge. I'm always more willing to jump off pretty bridges.

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/26/2009 10:47:01 PM   
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Unquestioning obediance does work, just like no limits works, inside of a sensible, communicating, loving dynamic with logic as a general rule, the ability to not sweat the small stuff, and to take life on lifes terms.

In my last relationship it was a rule that I asked permission to go to the bathroom, (one that gets mentioned on the baords as unworkable fairly often) - If we were together at the time, IF there was no one present who was not party to our dynamic, If he were available (in the same end of the house, not on the phone with work, ect...), If it weren't an emergency. This was not the way we expressed the rule, it was the way we understood it and operated on it. And we used good logic and a desire to serve and that life on lifes terms thing to further modify - for instance, I would try to manage to find a way to 'ask' when we were in public where it wasn't approrate for me to really ask - catch his eye, or something. but, if i couldn't - hey, bodily needs are bodily needs.

If I am owned by someone, at that point I trust them. And I am going to obey orders without too many questions. Even more quickly and even more so in public, where I wouldn't want my disobiedance or hesitation to reflect on their 'Domliness'. BUT - I am also going to stop and ask quesitons when it seems warented - although I will try to do it respectuflly. So I am not going to argueing with every turn and direction he gives me if I am driving and he is giving the directions. I am not generally going to argue with any of them, just do them. BUT, when he tells me to turn the wrong way down a one way street, I am going to say, 'Sir, I think that is the wrong direciton. I think that is a one way street.' If he says, 'I know, it's midnight, there isn't a car in site, we are going a half a block, just do it', well, my attitude towards my Master when I am owned is, the buck stops with him. If I get a ticket, He gets to pay it. If I get arrested, he gets to pace the lobby and bail me out. It is all his problem in the end.

I have been ordered to give a blow job in the park where the Dom in question was facing the trees and I was facing the park. If a family with chilren started climbing out of the car, trust me, I'm going to take his dick out of my mouth and mention that to him, then proceed to crawl around acting like i'm looking for leaves or ant or something for a minute while he zips up. And I wouldn't BE owned by a man who would want otherwise. I have also given that same Dom a blowjob, differant day, same park, with HIM facing the park. I trusted him to use the same discretion I would, or I wouldn't play with him in the first place.

Logic goes a long way. relize that you will give dumb orders - and that she will do dumb things thinking she is obeying you ( see my post from a year ago on driving away in a car that my master had taken apart, because, hey, he told me to....). communication are necessary, and so is compassion, logic, care for one another, and good sense.

Good Luck

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/26/2009 10:59:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shahaba

       My past relationships have only been d/s within the bedroom, but I find myself becoming more and more interest in trying something closer to 24/7 with my next sub. 

I've started to compile a list of rules for my sub to follow.  Of course all the basic stuff is there such as,
"My sub will obey my commands without hesitation." and
"Failing to comply with my commands will result in punishment."
I've also come up with several which may not be so universal such as.
"My sub is free to remove any clothing but is not to put any clothes on without my permission"
What rules do you have for your sub/slave or do you have any suggestions?



There is a saying....if you want to make God laugh, just tell him "your" plans.

For me, that's about how I look at what it is I do.  It's good to have a general idea of what you want, but to set rules in stone is setting yourself up for failure. 

I have my expectations (guide lines) down in writing so that when I did find someone I wouldn't forget anything and I suggested that they had theirs down in writing as well so that we could sit down and talk about it intelligently.

If you are going to do 24/7, you have to find a person, get to know them, then tailor what you do with them in mind.  Even in this lifestyle, we are all still people, so what may work for one may not work for someone else, that's why you really can't have cookie cutter rules.  What if one of your rules is one of their hard limits?  What if one of your rules brings back some painful memories in their past?

First thing you need to do is research, if you really research and talk to dominants that have been doing this for years, you will find it's a lot more to it than you experienced in the bedroom.   After you choose someone, (and they choose you) get to know them, don't jump in 24-7 right away, take it a little at a time.  As for "rules"  you will find that you will have to train them in the way you would like your household run, can't just bark orders, you have to train through repitition, rituals, etc.  then eventually they will know you need before you even think it...lol

Please do thorough research before you try and find someone, in the long run it will save you a lot of time, and you can go into the situation in a mature manner and have a better sense of yourself and what you are really wanting

good luck to you

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/26/2009 11:02:31 PM   
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I stole this from varoius places on the web, it's used as a definition of what a Dominant should be, and I rather like it for that. This desribes why I do TPE.

"Someone who will pick you up, brush you off, and set you running again, knowing you will probably fall a few times.

Someone who lets you find your way, but steers you back when you veer off of the path.

Someone who will hold you when you cry, admonish you when you don't follow the rules, burst with pride when you succeed, and is there even if you fail.

Someone who will listen, suggest, and be your best friend. Someone who will teach, help, and show strength and support. Someone who naturally nurtures and is not afraid to love and be loved."

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/26/2009 11:38:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tsatske

I stole this from varoius places on the web, it's used as a definition of what a Dominant should be, and I rather like it for that. This desribes why I do TPE.

"Someone who will pick you up, brush you off, and set you running again, knowing you will probably fall a few times.

Someone who lets you find your way, but steers you back when you veer off of the path.

Someone who will hold you when you cry, admonish you when you don't follow the rules, burst with pride when you succeed, and is there even if you fail.

Someone who will listen, suggest, and be your best friend. Someone who will teach, help, and show strength and support. Someone who naturally nurtures and is not afraid to love and be loved."

All perfectly put! My Master to a T!

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/26/2009 11:55:21 PM   
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if there were something i wanted that she absolutely couldn't do i would accept that occasionally but still it would require punishment of such magnitude as to instill in her idea that she didn't get away with anything


Normally I just ignore osf because he's an admitted shit-stirrer, but I couldn't let this one pass, hating to think that others might read it and think, "oh, that's a great idea."

If something is required that you CANNOT do, then no amount of punishment will make you be ABLE to do it.  "Cannot do" is not the same as "will not do."  I cannot kneel on the floor, due to previous injuries.  Not "will not", but "can not".  Not kneeling on the floor is not "getting away with" something... it is just something that I cannot do.  I would laugh my ass off at anyone who thought they should punish me for that, so I wouldn't think I "got away with" something. 

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/27/2009 12:43:15 AM   
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if there were something i wanted that she absolutely couldn't do i would accept that occasionally but still it would require punishment of such magnitude as to instill in her idea that she didn't get away with anything


Asking the impossible is the Dom's failure..not the sub's

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/27/2009 12:52:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chrisincuffs

That's why he's Master and I'm slave.



Plus, he probably has the CAR KEYS!!!



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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/27/2009 3:08:53 AM   
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Not kneeling on the floor is not "getting away with" something... it is just something that I cannot do.  I would laugh my ass off at anyone who thought they should punish me for that, so I wouldn't think I "got away with" something. 

Cali


Don't delude yourself, of course you'd be getting way with something. You'd be getting away with realizing he's a douche.


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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/27/2009 7:51:24 AM   
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if there were something i wanted that she absolutely couldn't do i would accept that occasionally but still it would require punishment of such magnitude as to instill in her idea that she didn't get away with anything


Asking the impossible is the Dom's failure..not the sub's


not everything she may have trouble with is impossible

there's the physically impossible and then there's the i don't wannas



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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/27/2009 9:33:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: osf


quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

quote:

if there were something i wanted that she absolutely couldn't do i would accept that occasionally but still it would require punishment of such magnitude as to instill in her idea that she didn't get away with anything


Asking the impossible is the Dom's failure..not the sub's


not everything she may have trouble with is impossible

there's the physically impossible and then there's the i don't wannas



You didn't say things she absolutely didn't want to do, you said things she absolutely could not do.  Yes, there's a difference.

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/27/2009 6:34:54 PM   
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Yes, I admit I'm getting way ahead of myself on this.  I just find it a lot easier to be dominant in the bedroom than outside of it.  Maybe that's just me, maybe its not, maybe some people are the exact opposite, whatever.  But I felt that if I created a list of rules it might help me keep control of the situation.

I think a better thing to ask would be what should I expect from a 24/7 sub and what will she expect from me?

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/27/2009 6:49:19 PM   
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Yes, I admit I'm getting way ahead of myself on this.  I just find it a lot easier to be dominant in the bedroom than outside of it.  Maybe that's just me, maybe its not, maybe some people are the exact opposite, whatever.  But I felt that if I created a list of rules it might help me keep control of the situation.

I think a better thing to ask would be what should I expect from a 24/7 sub and what will she expect from me?



might want to read what I wrote.  There is a difference between expectations and carved in stone rules.  Only you know what you expect, and only she knows what she expects...so you both have to actually talk to each other

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/27/2009 7:51:48 PM   
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I know what your saying, Dark Journey, but let's face it, from a fetish perspective, sometimes, for some of us, rules are fun.
having to memorize rules and having rules to guide our day and our interactions, ect. It all depends on where your kink lies.

Just don't lose logic on the way. Remeber that in a well devoloped dynamic, if you use punishment at all, it will go to her heart. Even if you don't, knowing she has disappointed you will do the same thing, which is why so many Doms here forgo punishment all together. Do not punish her for the things we are talking about - the times when the rules failed, or you did, or logic did, not her. Re-evaluate, instead. Does the rule need to be changed, or dropped? Or is it a good rule that you both enjoy, that has an occasional failure of the rule that needs to be overlooked?

I see responses from quoting the only person on these boards that I have taken the trouble to block, and I have to say, the idea of punishing when someone can't manage something, rather the failure is 'physical' or not, is plain silly. What you will get is a sub who protects herself by learning not to take your punishments to heart, since there is nothing she can do to avoid them, and you will be left with funishment when you were going for punishment.

the only rule we can give you is communication, and a lot of it. but do start experiementing with some things that make you feel your dynamic. No one can tell you what that is for you, what that is for her - even you and she can't tell, yet, so you're going to have to experiment with some things.

If you live together, maybe start with a small and simply morning routine, and tweak it till it pleases you both, something simple like getting you coffee and being kneeling by the bedside with it when your alarm goes off. Or waking you the 'right way' ;). (That's a good example of where you might need to experiement and tweek. You might think it a great idea to tell her you must wake up every morning with your cock in her mouth, but when she tries, the two of you suddenly discover that sometimes you sleep on your stomach or your side, and you never noticed that before. ) try differant things till you find what works for you.

Try and find some rituals which are small, simple, quick and invisible, which can be preformed in public, which reinforce your dynamic and your feelings for one another. like having her hold your hand in a certain way when you are out in public, maybe holding her hand in yours behind her back?

Even the simplest things can become rituals, like never going through a door when you are together till you open it for her, waiting till you pull out her chair in a resteraunt, her always driving (chafuering), her never driving when your together no matter which car you are in (in which case, if you don't live together, you could have a ritual of her handing you the keys when she walks through the door). Her always pumping the gas, and carrying the bags, because she is the slave - or you always pumping the gas and carrying the bags, because you are the man.

experiment till you find what resonates with you. Talk about it, change it till you are happy with it. Then, in a few years, when you are suddenly not happy with one of them, change it again. This is a fun lifestyle :)

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/28/2009 6:39:40 PM   
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Perfect advice tsatske,

The suggestions you gave are exactly the type of thing I was looking for when I started this thread.  The example rules I posted (and ones I didn't) were mostly sexual in nature because so far my experience as Dom has been entirely sexual.  These nonsexual suggestions is what I'm missing and exactly what I'm looking for, thanks.

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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/29/2009 6:42:03 AM   
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   What rules do you have for your sub/slave or do you have any suggestions?




My list of rules is way to long to list here.....

But.. I will suggest that your list of rules must be realistic.

Rules are only as good as your ability to enforce them and your sub/slaves ability to comply to them. Just having a list doesn't make it a good thing for your relationship... In fact... the list could be the seeds of defeat in your relationship.



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RE: Rule Suggestions - 12/29/2009 6:55:37 AM   
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OP, while not a dominant myself, I have a lot of experience in being responsible for others and feel that while making rules simply for the act of making rules can be fun and worthwhile at times, experience is the only TRUE way to understand why and which rules are needed and beneficial to your unique situation. You will at some point need to make these decisions on your own without too much advice from others as you will trust yourself and KNOW that how you want things to be will be the best for all concerned. This will most likely be what endears you to any prospective subs, and they will honor/respect YOU because YOU know best and don't need the opinions of others to feel confident in your decisions.

Good luck...


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