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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 2:09:18 PM   
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I agree with everyone who said to suspend the dynamic until he's dealing frankly and openly with what's going on.  Also, I think you owe it to both of you to consider how you can be a better partner.  This might partly be a symptom of a larger disconnect between the two of you.  I am not saying it would be your fault if he hits you, and I agree that your personal safety should be a priority over the relationship, but you might want to use this opportunity to invest in the relationship and look at ways you might improve too.

And redwoodgirl, during the short time there were playlists on CollarMe profiles, yours was the best!


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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 2:21:33 PM   
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redwood,

I did not know (as others who know you better might have) that there were children in the house. It can change things a great deal. Even if they weren't there when he had his fit and punched the whole in the wall, they likely have seen the hole. Not a good thing.

As many others have said, two weeks is a pretty short period of time. The reality is that if this has all happened in just two weeks and everything prior has been "peachy keen" a doctor isn't going to diagnose him with clinical depression. Kevin is not in the US, but we all know that here, if you aren't married to the guy, you wouldn't be able to have him committed even if it was necessary and even suggesting such is a bit far fetched to say the least.

The wise LadyEllen is so right about the way men and women think and process things. While him writing a journal could be a great idea for him to sort through his thoughts, what I have done in the past when my partner (who is really not the "let's discuss it type) has frustrated me beyond belief (and over 14 years, there have been some times when it was rough), I would write HIM a letter. It gave me the opportunity to clearly tell him what I wanted him to know, gave him the ability to process the problems at his pace without the feeling that I'm standing there waiting for an answer.

Sometimes when we are going through "stuff," seemingly more often for guys, the last thing they want is someone talking at them. That is typically how they view it, you aren't talking to him, but at him. As Lockit said, this is not the time for dynamics. You are in a relationship and building a family above all else.

Personally, if I were to write him a letter (being you), I would tell him that you are concerned about the sudden "shut down" that is so unlike him. I would tell him that you understand he might need to work through whatever he is going through on his own without your assistance. I would also make very clear that while you are willing to give him the time to work through things on his own, that doesn't relieve him of the responsibilities he has with your family, most importantly that he has a responsibility to not release his frustration in a violent way. I would also remind him that while you might be ok with temporarily picking up some of the slack as far as household chores go, he can't just ignore those responsibilities.

Does he have a gym membership? Or perhaps you have somewhere in your house to put a heavy bag that he can punch to his heart's content? Does your new place have a fireplace? My son has anger issues and getting him out there chopping wood was very helpful. Others have suggested things like Habitat for Humanity which is great, but does the time exist (although from what you are saying, it seems he has a great deal of time on his hands).

The point is that if you tell him all this in a letter (that you perhaps give him before you leave for work), and then leave him the time to digest and process things, he might be in a better frame of mind for doing something about it. Sometimes our level of frustration in life can make it a bit difficult to see how much our behavior is concerning our loved ones. Some people respond well to a "virtual" smack up side the head with your best Olivia Dukakis in Moonstruck impression of "Snap out of it!" Others need a more subtle approach. Writing him a letter that isn't a rambling list of complaints, but a thoughtful, caring expression of how concerned you are and how much his behavior is hurting the family might be a good first step.

In any case, you do need to very clearly let him know that while he is working whatever is bugging him out in his head, all violence is unacceptable and won't be tolerated.

Good Luck.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 2:23:06 PM   
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Thank you LadyEllen for your words.

This morning while he was making breakfast, I actually read him
this thread, and suprsingly he was in agreement with most of it!
With the exception of Issac and Kevin, and the bit about him
wanting someone new (Venatrix, xxblushesxx) that is.


Or perhaps our comments hit too close to home (assuming you went from uncomfortable elephantine silence to reading threads over breakfast). Who knows...I know none of us will ever know for sure, except you.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 2:34:55 PM   
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Dontcha just hate doomsayers?
LafyetteLady that was wonderful, I thank you

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 2:39:21 PM   
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quote:

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Dontcha just hate doomsayers?


It's tough love!

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 2:43:29 PM   
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quote:

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It's tough love!

No.  You are allowing your profound cynicism about relationships to blind you to the positives here.


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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 2:49:46 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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It's tough love!

No.  You are allowing your profound cynicism about relationships to blind you to the positives here.



What are the positives?

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 6:58:23 PM   
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...but we all know that here, if you aren't married to the guy, you wouldn't be able to have him committed even if it was necessary and even suggesting such is a bit far fetched to say the least. ...


Just to clarify a point:
In Florida at least, there is a way to have someone (to whom you're not married or related) committed. It's called the Baker Act. If a person is a danger to themselves and/or to others, then you can call the cops, who will take them to a psychiatric facility for evaluation and observation, usually a minimum of 24 hours. One of my co-workers had her ex-boyfriend Baker Acted on multiple occasions, part of why he's her ex.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 7:49:16 PM   
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quote:

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...but we all know that here, if you aren't married to the guy, you wouldn't be able to have him committed even if it was necessary and even suggesting such is a bit far fetched to say the least. ...


Just to clarify a point:
In Florida at least, there is a way to have someone (to whom you're not married or related) committed. It's called the Baker Act. If a person is a danger to themselves and/or to others, then you can call the cops, who will take them to a psychiatric facility for evaluation and observation, usually a minimum of 24 hours. One of my co-workers had her ex-boyfriend Baker Acted on multiple occasions, part of why he's her ex.


BlaiddDrwg,

I lived in Florida for two years and I am completely familiar with the Baker Act. Your co-worker did not have her ex committed, the police did. Yes, it was based partially on what she said, but it would also be based on their conversation with him. When someone is committed under the Baker Act, it does allow for it to be 24 hours, however, it is typically the maximum of 72 hours.

In every state, if a police officer is called and they believe that someone is a danger to themselves or others, they are required to take them for a physchological evaluation. In NJ it can be as short as a couple of hours, in other states longer.

Florida has a tendency to overuse the Baker Act, typically with children. But trust me, they aren't going to go knocking on the guy's door and take him based on nothing more than what your co-worker said. Even if she said "he's off his schizophrenic meds" they would not Baker Act him simply on her word. Imagine how easily anyone could then get their partner committed when they were angry. Florida has many many problems and this is but one of them. Why do you think there is a saying known throughout the state, "Go to Florida on vacation, go home on probation?" It was even a joke in the Department of Corrections Probation Division where I worked.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 7:53:35 PM   
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quote:

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Dontcha just hate doomsayers?
LafyetteLady that was wonderful, I thank you


I'm sure you know redwood that there are those here who will either always try to blame the poster for the problem, bitch that a bunch of internet people who don't know you aren't the ones to ask, say no one can answer without the whole story (although the ones that say that typically have zero experience in counseling anyway), or make some other snarky comment.

I'm hoping that what everyone has told you will be of some help. I have one of those "moody ones" myself and after 14 years, I have pretty much learned what works for us but there are times when it still isn't easy.

Take a deep breath and I'm sure you will work through it. I can't say in which direction, but I'm sure in the end, what is best will happen.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 8:56:15 PM   
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I am aware that at least that what needs to will happen will, and for the better. At least for the universe :)
Thank you for you kind and uplifting words ( you all know who you are)

As for Florida and having people 51/50'd and all that, it dosent apply to me in any way, or to him.
But thanks for your concern :) I am fully aware that my safety is the #1 most important thing!!!
No worries there, I will NOT be intimidated.

What are the positives?
(Like Ive said, Ive been here awhile, and Im thinkin- he's lloking for wankfo...., but whatever)
Think of it this way, if you have to ask, you may never know.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/11/2010 9:01:24 PM   
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What are the positives?
(Like Ive said, Ive been here awhile, and Im thinkin- he's lloking for wankfo...., but whatever)
Think of it this way, if you have to ask, you may never know.

I don't know what he was looking for, but I decided if he wanted a conversation so badly, he could start his own thread and see who would talk to him.

That question did make me think of something though.  You might want to overdetermine you say the positives of your partner, and the relationship, out loud to your partner -- so he remembers, and so you do.  What he's doing now is (hopefully) an aberration, or a phase, and if he focuses on the positives and works through things, with you supporting in whatever way, then you'll be that much stronger together.

I know this is "obvious," and it's probably something you've told other people a ton of times, but it can be hard to remember when it's you face to face with wall-punching loverguy.  To whatever extent you can anchor him in the positives of the relationship, it will help.


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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/12/2010 6:16:08 AM   
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Youre right, Red. Sometimes it is hard to remember that. How could something
so obvious and simple slip from the mind? I strive daily to make the people
around feel appreciated welcome annd loved. So how could something so natural
completly fail when it would do the most good? How could we completly loose
our own sense of self in a situation like this? not fair I tell ya, not fair.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/12/2010 8:55:49 AM   
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quote:

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What are the positives?
(Like Ive said, Ive been here awhile, and Im thinkin- he's lloking for wankfo...., but whatever)
Think of it this way, if you have to ask, you may never know.

I don't know what he was looking for...


I feel my question was pretty obvious, Magic, and I take your absence of an answer as evidence enough you really know nothing about this relationship, just like the rest of us.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/12/2010 12:23:05 PM   
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you seem to be bent on derailment, sorry no one is biting lol.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/12/2010 2:28:54 PM   
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you seem to be bent on derailment, sorry no one is biting lol.


I'm not bent on derailing the thread at all. Redmagic actually started that with the ad hominem, if you care to notice. I've only offered an alternative form of advice that, ironically, he gave himself after me, albeit phrased more softly.

A suggestion you don't want to hear is not derailment; it's just critisism that extends beyond your personal intent for this thread, it seems.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/12/2010 3:21:50 PM   
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Isaac, it's the same conclusion I came to yesterday. You haven't been helpful, you've only been disruptive.
Do you really think this is needed by the op at this point in her life and HER relationship?

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/12/2010 3:59:24 PM   
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Do you really think this is needed by the op at this point in her life and HER relationship?


Do I really believe the OP needs to look at herself and her very questionable personal relationship and leadership skills? Yes, and then some.

Do I believe a message board full of anonymous and semi-anonymous people not privy to both sides of the story can give case-specific advice beyond boilerplate wisdom? No.

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/12/2010 7:39:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac


quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
Do you really think this is needed by the op at this point in her life and HER relationship?


Do I really believe the OP needs to look at herself and her very questionable personal relationship and leadership skills? Yes, and then some.

Do I believe a message board full of anonymous and semi-anonymous people not privy to both sides of the story can give case-specific advice beyond boilerplate wisdom? No.



I would gently suggest then, that it's NOT your business!! (sorry RW, DMP, I won't do this again.)

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RE: Need advice on a rebellious boy - 1/12/2010 7:48:41 PM   
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I would gently suggest then, that it's NOT your business!! (sorry RW, DMP, I won't do this again.)


In reality, it's not anyone's business. That's my point.


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