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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 8:29:26 AM   
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the 2 mast chapters i have been a member of are as i stated, strictly for discussion primarily for those in m/s relationships hetro and gay, discussion only


since i am relationship orientated and not kink orientated i felt more at home there than any other in group or munch i ever attended

don't get me wrong i love the kink i love but i only seem to get real enjoyment out of it through a relationship, casual play is not my cup of tea

very rarely in the past have i enjoyed casual play

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 8:39:37 AM   
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He desires the lifestyle he can have with a submissive woman. Most vanilla women aren't submissive and desire a more egalitarian lifestyle that he couldn't offer them.

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 9:04:58 AM   
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quote:

He desires the lifestyle he can have with a submissive woman. Most vanilla women aren't submissive and desire a more egalitarian lifestyle that he couldn't offer them.


you're close to what i think, only i put it less prettied up

this is just my personal opinion, he can get from her gratification of his more esoteric desires that other women wouldn't give him, for that he fulfills her needs, not wants

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 9:17:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: masterofholly

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ORIGINAL: osf

i keep hearing from all these wonderful relationship committed submissive women but have yet to hear from some of their "dominants"

You are now.
And I assure you I am neither pussy whipped nor non-existent.

I have read some of your posts here and you come across as an uninformed wannabe who is too wrapped up in the "I am Dom, hear me roar" syndrome to realize the submissives here have some damn good advice to offer.

Here is why the only one you will ever have at your feet is a duck
quote:

seems wanting a woman that actually obeys is a heinous crime on this site

i mean real dominance and submission, what am i thinking


So you want a submissive? A real one?  There is one foolproof way to make that happen. BE THE TYPE OF DOMINANT A SUBMISSIVE WANTS.

Real submission is not easily handed over to the first velcro-shoe-wearing asshole that gives himself the title. A true Dominant, not just a horny control freak, is a very educated individual. That education is obtained by listening to what others have to say.You said earlier a submissive cannot teach anything to a Dominant. By dismissing the opinion and experiences of the submissives on these boards you are missing out on the very information you require to be the type of Dominant a submissive will desire.


Hear Hear!

MoH expressed exACTly what I wish I'd said.

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 9:35:18 AM   
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a submissive in my opinion can not say come here boy i'm going to teach you how to be a dominant, the very idea is totally foreign to me, sorry

and i can dismiss any one i wish if i see no relevance to me in what they say

most that disagree with me do so out of a fundamental difference of outlook, i respect theirs, i wish they would respect mine

but to them i don't have their approach so i must not be real, even though a number of women have come on the threads saying they have a similar outlook, that seems to be over looked, they don't let any pesky facts interfere with their screed

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 9:37:17 AM   
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BE THE TYPE OF DOMINANT A SUBMISSIVE WANTS.
 

as if "a submissive" is a carbon copy of all the rest---wanting the exact same things---yet there are different "types" of dominants.
 
wouldn't it make more sense to advise him to "Be the type of dominant that the type of submissive you desire to attract wants."?  seems like he is already doing that.
 
this slave thinks it is ironic and kinda funny that folks criticize osf for his One-True-Way, then go about insisting that their OWN One-True-Way is something he should adopt instead.

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 9:40:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

BE THE TYPE OF DOMINANT A SUBMISSIVE WANTS.
 

as if "a submissive" is a carbon copy of all the rest---wanting the exact same things---yet there are different "types" of dominants.
 
wouldn't it make more sense to advise him to "Be the type of dominant that the type of submissive you desire to attract wants."?  seems like he is already doing that.
 
this slave thinks it is ironic and kinda funny that folks criticize osf for his One-True-Way, then go about insisting that their OWN One-True-Way is something he should adopt instead.


ty

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 9:57:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: masterofholly

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ORIGINAL: osf

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

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ORIGINAL: CarrieO

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Thank you for bringing that up.  Why is CillyDom 63, but Oaf is 55 now, but a few days ago he was 65?  Have we stumbled upon the fountain of youth?


Nice.



What's up with this?!!


*And then there was silence as the wizard of osf slipped further behind his curtain.*





it's just a mishap i'll change it back when its convenient

not hiding anything
Then what did you mess with it for in the first place?



A "mishap"? Do you know what mishap means?

Never mind that. Let's consider how it happened. When you originally completed your profile, you included your age or birthdate. CM will update your age automatically.  No need to edit that...ever.

Of course, other things in our profiles do need to be updated.  So you were on the profile edit page.  Then your hand slipped & you clicked "edit birthdate".  Then, rather than "oops" and "cancel", you clicked a different number.  Then "okay".  (Or whatever the procedure is. It's been ages...HAH, "ages", plural! English is funny...since I joined.)

Really old people who like velcro shoes might have shaky hands, but that's a stretch.

"Not hiding anything"...but you'll correct it "when it's convenient".  Uh huh.

In another way, no, you don't seem to be hiding anything (on this side anyway).  You're lettin your Wannabe Flag fly.

I haven't perved your profile (yet; bet it'd be a hoot too).  But I hope that anyone considering you takes the time to click "read this user's forum posts".

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Oh, and hats off again to Master of Holly.  "you've got to prove to her that you deserve her".  Nice.  I'll add that to my list, along with "respect is earned" etc. Without going into the whole "submission is a gift" thing, "Dom" can be a pretty cushy gig.  You've got to deserve such a cushy gig.

Way to go, Jim.  And "Holly is dyeing her hair. But I'm not supposed to know that." made me laugh.  Recently my girl & I applied for passports.  We both wondered how to fill out "hair colour".  She too dyes her hair, so should she write the "real" or apparent shade?  And what hair I'd have, if I didn't shave it, would be blond.  So: blond? (half true) bald? (half true) or shaved (all true)?

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 10:07:56 AM   
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do i know you?
have i ever spit in your face?

did you bother to check before running your mouth?

and people who wear red shirts shouldn't stand in front of bulls, now i don't know what that has to do with anything but it makes about as much sense as anything you have said

yea, i wannabe king of the world,

and thank you for you well considered remarks, o keeper of the flame of the one true way

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 10:13:03 AM   
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This is just getting silly now. Slagging off the dudes shoes is a little petty, disagree with his opinions sure but who gives a toss what he wears on his feet?

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 10:18:08 AM   
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the goose liked them

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 10:23:04 AM   
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story about the shoes

i own a horse boarding farm and going in and out of the house Velcro is faster and easier to get on and off and in the summer white shoes are way cooler than dark shoes when you have to go out on the tractor and mow 30+ acres of pasture, dark shoes feel like wearing ovens

oh and did i say the goose approved of them?

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 10:48:33 AM   
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 I don't really know what velcro shoes has to do with anything at all.  What next... bashing someone for wearing Birkies? (Sorry Master)....or for being fat?

With all the pompous talk about *what submissives want* ...I certainly wouldn't find anyone that made banal shots like that remotely attractive. Osf might not be everyone's cup of tea, the way he expresses himself might be easy to take apart and sometimes he says things that make me crease up......but frankly, he's doesn't dish out anything like the amount of unpleasant personal spite that gets chucked his way. 

Beth's last comment echoed my thoughts.

this slave thinks it is ironic and kinda funny that folks criticize osf for his One-True-Way, then go about insisting that their OWN One-True-Way is something he should adopt instead.

agirl



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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 11:13:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

this is just my personal opinion, he can get from her gratification of his more esoteric desires that other women wouldn't give him, for that he fulfills her needs, not wants



Ah ... he fulfills many of my wants, lucky woman that I am.  But it's at his discretion, which is oh-so-hawt ...


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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 11:16:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mc1234

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ORIGINAL: osf

this is just my personal opinion, he can get from her gratification of his more esoteric desires that other women wouldn't give him, for that he fulfills her needs, not wants



Ah ... he fulfills many of my wants, lucky woman that I am.  But it's at his discretion, which is oh-so-hawt ...



i kinda think your needs come first, then he decides which wants to grant

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 12:18:22 PM   
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i kinda think your needs come first, then he decides which wants to grant


most definitely - goes without saying.  lol


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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 12:42:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Aww come on, who hasn't seen THIS look at your local play party/dungeon?  Truman Capote has it going on!




Well, I have seen a few Dommes tricked out like that.

Personally, I prefer black leather pants, gold chain and a purple cape.  I'm cool with the fedora...but mine have smaller brims.

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 1:58:37 PM   
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Oh goody. Now he's gotten around to me.  Okay, I'll play.

But first: *Arms open to hug Aquatic Sub back*

And to sexyred1, who said:

Quickly checks emails...goes through cock pics...nope, yours seems to be missing. Please resend immediately to www.normallyhatescockpicsbutinthiscasemakesexception.com.

Funny URL.  (Checking Network Solutions to see if it's taken).  Quick search?  How do you index them?  By date, girth, length, hairiness?  Alphabetically by nic?  Share your organizing secrets and other subs will adopt them & praise your name.

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ORIGINAL: osf

do i know you?

Do I need to send you my ID, send you a present, invite you out for a beer or whatever before I qualify to be one of the people whose abuse you're getting such a kick out of?

have i ever spit in your face?

Well, figuratively you have now. Proud of yourself?

did you bother to check before running your mouth?

Check what?
Whether I've got a brain? yes & yes

Whether I can "play nice with others"?  yes and usually (when they deserve basic respect)

Your profile, before I dare to address you?  Hadn't then; have now; yawn.
Do you read the profile of everyone whose posts you comment on?  Does anyone?  If we're impressed by a poster's comments we might follow the link.  Or, as in this case, figure it'd be good for an additional laugh.  I hadn't then, but I have now.  About what I'd expected.  Not impressed.  I'll stack my profile (yes, very well considered, thanks) up against yours.  My pic against yours....  My slave against your...uh, goose (or whoever you claim luvs yer domitude)

For your permission to speak?  You're not (my) Dom.

My hat at the door?

"Running my mouth."  Uh...that'd be putting in my 2c worth?  Abusing an abuser?  In a more liberated approach than you've got...and one more in accord with the accepted larger Community and with pretty much all of the posters here except you? Calling you on your BS?


and people who wear red shirts shouldn't stand in front of bulls, now i don't know what that has to do with anything but it makes about as much sense as anything you have said

...aaand the senseless generalities continue. "People who wear red shirts." Really?

Really?  (osf: "Knowing that subs are more high maintenance than 'nilla women..." "subs can't teach me anything" etc. etc.)  BTW, "learning from a sub" doesn't have to mean she has said "lemme teach you a thing or two about domming".  You can learn by observing, loving, experiencing a sub.  Er, I mean, some people could.  You?  Prolly not.

I like that red shirt. And, though this is an assertion much like yours about all the action you're getting and how the ladies love your no-nonsense manliness or your goose or whatever, it and the pic itself has prompted a number of contacts from subs (actual women who I've actually met).

We're making fun of your shoes (well, shoe...but presumably you've got another one) and the duck because, in an increasingly visual culture, that's the only visual clues you're giving about yourself.  That says something in itself.

I, on the other hand, show my face, my form, my sense of style (at the moment the pic was taken it happened to include a red shirt), my bearing... I show them what they'll see when they meet me & let them judge.

You, otoh, are showing a (crappy old people) shoe and a goose.  Again, may be fine for your work. But does it represent you such that it should be your chosen avatar here?  Is that what a girl would see if she were to meet you?  Does it communicate a sense of you to let her choose?

I guess you'd be the bull I'm standing in front of?  Apt, since the product of a bull is...


yea, i wannabe king of the world,

Let me know when that happens.  I'll move.

and thank you for you well considered remarks, o keeper of the flame of the one true way

Better considered than yours (not saying much). Not as well considered as they should have been. Made in uncharacteristic anger and frustration. And FAR from my usual self. Can you say the same of your remarks?

Hey, I'm not the guy who claims to know about "real d/s"...but is strangely unwilling to write more than a few lines about it.  I know what works for me.  I know a lot of people's general definitions of what works for them agrees on key points.  I know it has worked for the women I've been with.  And involves considering them as people rather than farm animals or just a warm place to stick my (or my buddy's) johnson, without an opinion worth considering or "taking personally"...




Your tags read "all around nice guy".  Not here & not in your profile ("I will do all the things to you your mom wishes would never happen...[Pain unimaginable for my pleasure--paraphrased]  yada yada.  Did I mention?  i'm dark.")

Creative misogynist?  Well, you've proved the second part.

And the last line.  What does it even mean?  You won't expect us to act as adults (though we tried and have largely given up, so NOW we're just havin fun wit ya) if we don't expect you to act like a child.  (which you seem to be: acting as a child, that is)

So does that mean if we DO expect you to act as a child, you'll expect us to act as adults?  Actually, that works.  Good summary.  okay, I take it back.  it does make sense of a sort.

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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 2:12:31 PM   
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you're obviously trying to be popular so you're joining the cool kids in their silly games

you dont seem to have much to contribute so this the best you can do


well anyway i want to welcome you to cm, hope you develop ideas of your own to share


and why do you want a submissive woman, which i believe is the subject?


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RE: why does he want a submissive over a nilla woman - 1/13/2010 2:32:04 PM   
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I find myself agreeing with agirl ... it's getting quite distasteful 'round here.  Whatever happened to debating ideas, not shoes?  

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