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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/22/2010 9:25:06 PM

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Calling my kid a retard crossed the line for me. Now stop talking to the brat Aynne.

Yep it sure did Lushy I called him out on that immediately and I am done trying to reason.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/22/2010 9:29:27 PM

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Calling my kid a retard crossed the line for me. Now stop talking to the brat Aynne.

Yep it sure did Lushy I called him out on that immediately and I am done trying to reason.

There is no reasoning with that mentality. My kid is more mature. This is a case of arrested development on top of a narcissitic personality on top of stunted social development and skewed logic. Its just not worth it. He'll always think himself right, us idiots and him the victim of abuse whilst being verbally abusive to everyone from the get go and then crying foul when he gets it in return. Like I said, its all about what serves his ego. Ergo, its not worth it.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/22/2010 9:32:00 PM

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That your temper tantrums are boring and repetitive? Yep, sure did.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/22/2010 9:32:29 PM

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Did you hear anything?????

Nah, must be the wind.....

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/22/2010 9:38:53 PM

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Yeah, I looked at the twenty something pages of.... something and thought oh... shiiiii.

I responded to the OP.

but....

*cracks fingers*

She is a Princess that wants a valiant knight in shining armor. What is wrong with that? Knights kneel, the obey a code of chivalry.

But this is a kickback to something old. The knights (and alas the samurai) are dead and the chivalry is nearly gone as well. It was muscle memory then and to be expected from all.

A Lady walks into a room, you kneel.
A Lady leaves a room, you kneel.

A Conditioned Automatic Response.

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It is what she wants, and it is what she needs. She will find someone to mete it out for her because in her mind (and respective partners mind) she is worth it.

It does not matter what you do or do not think,

the die is cast.
it has been written.

Damn! This boy is 22 and he gets it. There is hope after all!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/22/2010 9:45:10 PM

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bla bla bla...

Looks like somebody needs to attend Lady Angelika's Gentleman Training School for Wayward Boys ™

To everyone else, QUIT IT. IGNORE HIM. THIS WAS A GOOD THREAD.

- LA

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/23/2010 8:44:21 AM

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THIS WAS A GOOD THREAD.

I think it was. It's caused me to think about assorted things in a different and challenging way. I didn't verbalize much or any of that on the thread, but I thought I'd throw in my two cents of appreciation.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/23/2010 8:49:35 AM

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Here's an interesting little tid bit. I went out last night for a few pints with a friend of mine. I actually met him on this site 5+ years ago. We never hooked up but we remained friends.

I was telling him about this thread and he laughed saying that he could totally see how this kind of kink training could be useful. Without revealing too much about him, he says he struggles with wanting to be more masculine.

And then remind me of the time we walked into a lingerie store together and I had him wait in a chair while I tried on bras. He said it was one of those really immasculating moments! Ha!!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/23/2010 1:39:29 PM

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And then remind me of the time we walked into a lingerie store together and I had him wait in a chair while I tried on bras. He said it was one of those really immasculating moments! Ha!!

Seriously? Did he feel emasculated because he was waiting for a woman (conforming to her schedule, following her agenda, etc.), or was it more that he felt his masculinity draining away when confronted by all those frilly female undergarments? I ask because I'm honestly not sure I see the threat to masculinity here. If my Mistress parked me in a lingerie store in this way, I might feel a bit uncomfortable and out of place, but I don't think a sense of emasculation would come into it. Interesting.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/23/2010 1:44:56 PM

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And then remind me of the time we walked into a lingerie store together and I had him wait in a chair while I tried on bras. He said it was one of those really immasculating moments! Ha!!

Seriously? Did he feel emasculated because he was waiting for a woman (conforming to her schedule, following her agenda, etc.), or was it more that he felt his masculinity draining away when confronted by all those frilly female undergarments? I ask because I'm honestly not sure I see the threat to masculinity here. If my Mistress parked me in a lingerie store in this way, I might feel a bit uncomfortable and out of place, but I don't think a sense of emasculation would come into it. Interesting.

I admit that I don't understand his reaction all that well either. But this happened about 4 years ago and it seems to have really stuck with him, apparently quite a bit.

- LA

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/23/2010 3:51:40 PM

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And then remind me of the time we walked into a lingerie store together and I had him wait in a chair while I tried on bras. He said it was one of those really immasculating moments! Ha!!

Seriously? Did he feel emasculated because he was waiting for a woman (conforming to her schedule, following her agenda, etc.), or was it more that he felt his masculinity draining away when confronted by all those frilly female undergarments? I ask because I'm honestly not sure I see the threat to masculinity here. If my Mistress parked me in a lingerie store in this way, I might feel a bit uncomfortable and out of place, but I don't think a sense of emasculation would come into it. Interesting.

It's one of the wonderful things about individual vulnerabilities. I have been with men who break out in a cold sweat when they are in a lingerie store. My husband is not phased in any way by anything like this, he'll buy everything from thongs to tampons without blinking an eye, he'll carry my purse and my packages and not feel degraded. He's smoothly shaved and sexy in all the right parts, including his legs, and there's not a femmy bone in his body; he's an athlete, a hockey player and a cyclist - he stays smooth for me, and for the functionality of some of his sports. Not one person in his life would label him anything but "masculine."

Yet I have met men who get nervous and uneasy in lingerie stores. I find this incredibly hot! I *like* it when a man is nervous or slightly degraded or humiliated. This is one of the wonderful things about individuality. When a sub asks me, "What's the most degrading or humiliating thing you have ever done to a man?" I have to laugh - honestly, it *depends on the man*. That's what makes humiliation so intimate. First, they have to trust you enough to let you inside to know what *really* degrades them; second, they have to trust you enough to make their ego open to the bending. Third, they have to go through with it. This isn't a blanket thing that applies to all sub men.

Many guys get deliciously uneasy in lingerie stores, buying lingerie or being seen in a lingerie store. I like that kind of nervousness. It's very raw and authentic. Yes, I have been with men who feel not one OUNCE of discomfort in a lingerie store - fortunately, there's always something else deep down that I can do to make them squirm!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/23/2010 4:36:32 PM

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fortunately, there's always something else deep down that I can do to make them squirm!

Discovering the triggers is about 50% of the fun if not more!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/23/2010 4:38:53 PM

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I think its funny watching a man hold a purse. They hold it like a stinky diaper or something!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/23/2010 4:41:32 PM

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I find my self to be fairly humble... so finding something that makes me squirm would be an interesting challenge. hmm... vulnerability... like a cat sinking its claws into the mouse gently.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/23/2010 4:46:48 PM

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I think its funny watching a man hold a purse. They hold it like a stinky diaper or something!

Depends on the man. I knew a very masculine boy that I dated who would always take pride in holding it for me, almost like it was an honour. For him, this was not a feminine object, it was something important to me and therefore important to him.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/23/2010 5:12:27 PM

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fortunately, there's always something else deep down that I can do to make them squirm!

My EMT instructor, Mike, was very masculine and very difficult to embarrass or gross out. Lingerie store- no problem. Purse holding- no problem. Stinky diaper- okie dokie. He was also a huge station house practical joker who could never be "got" because absolutely nothing bothered him.

One day, during my ride time, we were in the grocery picking up dinner stuff, and I mentioned to his partner how impossible it was to ruffle this guy's feathers. His partner started laughing, went and got a box of Tampax, and told me to go hand it to Mike- but be sure he couldn't see what it was.

You guessed it. As soon as Mike saw what was in his hand he turned beet red, broke a sweat, and ran down an aisle to get rid of the box before anyone saw him holding it.
20 years as a paramedic and he was completely squicked by a box of tampons, LMAO!

There's always something.....

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/27/2010 12:00:22 AM

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Wow, Greyhounds are right up front about it. Their leader is always a female. Nice culture.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 2/19/2010 8:40:07 PM

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I've long thought that the archetype of American Masculinity was John Wayne. I mean this with who he was on screen, not to be confused with the guy he was in real life, just that epitome of the American guy he was in the movies. No real need I think to enumerate the traits, we're talking about John Wayne here...

In his final film, The Shootist, he makes a statement, a credo for his character, a credo in fact for all of his characters, he says,

"I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."

When the film came out, I thought to myself that this statement really cleaved to that which is a man. The Duke is not asking, he's not hoping, he's just simply saying what has to happen. For him, and for all men

Now, maybe I extrapolated some stuff, but I took that statement by Wayne, and came to the conclusion that a man was in charge of his life, and a man decided how he was going to live, and as long as he respected those very simple rules that Wayne's character laid out, he was a man in charge of his destiny and a man in control of his masculinity.

I took the lesson to heart, and here I am now. A man, in control of his destiny, doing what I think is right for me. I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.

Really, isn't that just about as masculine as it gets?

I had all but forgotten that movie and that quote, thank you........excellent

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 2/19/2010 8:46:15 PM

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Oh my. And it isn't even a full moon or Friday the 13th...

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 11/1/2010 5:54:42 PM

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My father wasn't as cool as Peon's mother. We would be excused from the table to our room if we even dared put our elbows on the table. Oh I learned etiquette the tough way ;-)

I think you and I went to the same school, LA. If My elbows touched the table, Grandpa "touched" the offending elbow with his fork. And then there are the one-hand-on-shoulder-other-in-small-of-back posture lessons...

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