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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:00:08 PM

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What is so wonderful about being dominant is that we can have it any way we want it! Me... I can't make up my mind... so I think I will take two! hehe

There was an English eco advert a few years ago with a slogan that went 'Recycle! The possibilities...are...endless!' in an incredibly irritating voice.

Replace 'Recycle!' with 'Be dominant!' and you will have an idea of what it sounds like on the inside of my head right now.

Over and over and over...

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:00:55 PM

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Oh my, Otter, you must have had 3 cups of coffee this morning after I left for work....all this and laundry done too!

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Posted for interest - Codes of Chivalry and Courtly Love:

The Ten Commandments of the Code of Chivalry From Chivalry by Leon Gautier
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The Twelve Chief Rules in Love From The Art of Courtly Love by Andreas Capellanus <
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The Art of Courtly Love From The Art of Courtly Love by Andreas Capellanus
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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:01:44 PM

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My happiness is derived from Her happiness. Thus, my submission is in some ways a selfish act.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:05:14 PM

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On the Marines: Well, I will probably take some shit for this, but I am of the firm belief that no man who joins the military has any right to claim masculinity. I think once yo join the military, especially the Marines, you've pretty much admitted that you're a fucking waste of human life and a piece of shit of the highest order. I have zero respect for Marines and the military at large. I mean seriously, if you agreed to give up several years of your life to help men like George W. Bush drop bombs on babies to secure lower oil prices, then you're no man at all. You're a goddamn monster, and a fool, and the worst sort of human being, signing away your own ability to think so that you can be turned into a parody of a man.

Seriously, all the veterans and former military on this forum: Fuck you, fuck your "service to your country," and fuck your delusions of superiority. You are not a hero, you are not a man, you are just a pathetic tool for fascists. Hooray for you!

I am pretty disappointed in your simple minded opinion of the military. And what I want to say to you would probably get your panties all in a bunch, but at the end of the day, your just a pitiful little sissy that doesn't understand anything about war or politics. In short, your probably some narcissist that sits there and pops your pimples all day while thinking that everyone around you are sheep. So, you sit there in your throne and by your computer talking all this big shit about how veterans aren't men. LMAO! You haven't fought for one thing in your life. Your one sad sad man. For your sake, I hope there isn't a God.

Oh by the way, your as much of a man as a rat.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:07:03 PM

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I have reported this portion of your post.

I'm sure you're unhappy with something that was very poorly phrased, OS, and you should certainly report any post you believe to be contrary to the Terms of Service. However, it's usually counterproductive to announce you reported something. If the Mods decide the post falls within bounds, you look ineffective, and if the Mods remove the original post, they also remove tend to remove posts that refer to it like this, so the thread will read without weirdness. That means that your paragraph about thanking a veteran would disappear. Either way, no gain in making the announcement that you reported person X's post.

I hope that made sense.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:11:09 PM

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Well, I would have reported it, but someone beat me to it. For the picture alone... the words I don't listen to anymore... he has proven himself.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:14:26 PM

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What is so wonderful about being dominant is that we can have it any way we want it! Me... I can't make up my mind... so I think I will take two! hehe

There was an English eco advert a few years ago with a slogan that went 'Recycle! The possibilities...are...endless!' in an incredibly irritating voice.

Replace 'Recycle!' with 'Be dominant!' and you will have an idea of what it sounds like on the inside of my head right now.

Over and over and over...

I'm sorry... would the lil ditty... meow, meow, meow... help?

Corrected.... ditty, ditty.. not titty!

< Message edited by Lockit -- 1/16/2010 2:15:27 PM >

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:19:55 PM

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the words I don't listen to anymore... he has proven himself.

Yeah. I hear ya.

For whatever it's worth, I thought the interchange between you and VaguelyCurious was just awesome. I hope this thread doesn't collapse into an attack-the-troll-fest. Hell, I'd be glad to challenge my masculinity if VaguelyCurious would challenge her lesbianism. In the name of chivalry, of course.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:20:15 PM

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What is so wonderful about being dominant is that we can have it any way we want it! Me... I can't make up my mind... so I think I will take two! hehe

There was an English eco advert a few years ago with a slogan that went 'Recycle! The possibilities...are...endless!' in an incredibly irritating voice.

Replace 'Recycle!' with 'Be dominant!' and you will have an idea of what it sounds like on the inside of my head right now.

Over and over and over...

I'm sorry... would the lil ditty... meow, meow, meow... help?

Corrected.... ditty, ditty.. not titty!

Even though we aren't talking about titties any more, I'm still not getting the reference (?)
I'm guessing this is some form of irritatingly catchy tune I'm meant to know which you are trying to get into my head, but I'm IMMUNE on account of not knowing it!

Bet it's in your head now, though...

(Unless you meant something else entirely and I'm just being a dense idiot, in which case feel free to point and laugh.)

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:21:05 PM

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I mean...can anyone even name a single masculine archetype that's submissive? / Okay, to give you an example, I just now did a google search for "masculine traits." Here's the first link I got, a random list of masculine and feminine traits. You'll note that "being submissive" is a feminine trait, while "being dominant" is a masculine trait.

I'll also note much of that list is subjective, especially to the influence of cultural mythos. From a language perspective, "dominant" is a positive adjective, which simply means it is stating a quality or attribute. The word "dominant" itself means ruling, governing, or controlling; having or exerting authority or influence. Clearly, this quality isn't owned by masculine or feminine. Though we tend to culturally associate dominance more with males than females (or do we?), the presence of women in power and those who identify as dominant women on this board itself dispels the assertion that "male" is a hard synonym for "dominant".

As for the comparative or superlative usage of dominant (more dominant, most dominant) in relation to the sexes, that inevitably gets more into philosophy than anything objective. There are many who do believe men are more dominant, based upon the societal hegemony of the male. What I consider ironic, however, is that men have historically made it a "man's world" due to their hierarchal thinking, which inherently involves far more submission to authority than exclusive claim to it. If you wish to consider dominance only as it manifests between the two sexes, it is still a subjective—and selective—matter. There are plenty of men you wouldn't want to tangle with physically who openly admit to being second in command to their mates. In this it is obvious dominance is not solely found in might makes right.

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Masculinity is something a guy has to work out for himself, something inside himself he has to embrace. To put it bluntly: You can't be pussy-whipped into being a man.

And what of the man who is strong, courageous, prideful and chivalrous who embraces submission to a woman? That punches a fairly substantial hole in the idea submissive man=weak.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:26:28 PM

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What is so wonderful about being dominant is that we can have it any way we want it! Me... I can't make up my mind... so I think I will take two! hehe

There was an English eco advert a few years ago with a slogan that went 'Recycle! The possibilities...are...endless!' in an incredibly irritating voice.

Replace 'Recycle!' with 'Be dominant!' and you will have an idea of what it sounds like on the inside of my head right now.

Over and over and over...

I'm sorry... would the lil ditty... meow, meow, meow... help?

Corrected.... ditty, ditty.. not titty!

Even though we aren't talking about titties any more, I'm still not getting the reference (?)
I'm guessing this is some form of irritatingly catchy tune I'm meant to know which you are trying to get into my head, but I'm IMMUNE on account of not knowing it!

Bet it's in your head now, though...

(Unless you meant something else entirely and I'm just being a dense idiot, in which case feel free to point and laugh.)

LOL... yes there was a commercial about cat food and there was a lil ditty (I almost typed titty again!) that went... meow, meow, meow, meow... meow, meow,meow, meow, meow... and it drove people nuts because they would sing it repeatedly after seeing it. (I happen to know that Greedy hates that meow, meow song!)

And yes... it is stuck in my head... but Gordan Lightfoot is helping me recover! lol

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:27:10 PM

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And what of the man who is strong, courageous, prideful and chivalrous who embraces submission to a woman?

According to the esteemed Mr Psycho: he temporarily stops being masculine and starts being submissive.

According to everyone else: could you write down his phone number? Please?!

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 2:29:28 PM

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LOL... yes there was a commercial about cat food and there was a lil ditty (I almost typed titty again!) that went... meow, meow, meow, meow... meow, meow,meow, meow, meow... and it drove people nuts because they would sing it repeatedly after seeing it. (I happen to know that Greedy hates that meow, meow song!)

Hah! The Englishness strikes again!
I know of no such ditty.

(Lucky escape there, I reckon.)

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 3:03:59 PM

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I'm almost ALWAYS ignored and the conversation goes onto talk about those who are interested in feminization.

You aren't being ignored here. :-) Thank you for chiming in and I appreciate your contribution to this thread.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 3:11:23 PM

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I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, it's just the premise of this thread -- that a female dominant could teach a male submissive to be more of a male dominant -- strikes me as absurd.

Well two things here: one, that is not what the OP is about, so of course it sound absurd. The OP is about reconciling submissive men with masculinity.

You asked me in an earlier post why I don't just date dominant or vanilla men. The answer is, I have. And they end up submitting to me ;-)

I really think it is that I romanticize the knight, the strong protective man who slays dragons for his Queen. He is in her service, he will never abandon her or leave her side. In return, she will give him a purpose, will love him, will admire him, will cherish him, will train him to be an even better knight, an ever better man for her. She will work on being a better Queen for him. Sounds all silly and fairytale-like huh? Well in that sense, maybe I'm like every other girl, expect that my fairytale is twisted!

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Masculinity is something a guy has to work out for himself, something inside himself he has to embrace.

Like everything else in life, actually. Any behaviour modification is more successful when it is intrinsically motivated. It also works well when is accompanied by coaching.

And as for your comments to Lockit, it appears that not all Doms are inherently gentlemen, hmmm?

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 3:12:23 PM

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a Marines commitment to servitude

Perfect example of a very masculine submissive. Thanks Santoro.

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 3:15:45 PM

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I'm almost ALWAYS ignored and the conversation goes onto talk about those who are interested in feminization.

You aren't being ignored here. :-) Thank you for chiming in and I appreciate your contribution to this thread.

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He might not be, but I damned well am. And I'm not used to it, by thunder, not used to it at all!

Anyway - to all - could we inject a little relativism here? Supposing (and versus the point that, these days, brute strength doesn't equal 'masculinity'): how are we going to compare the relative masculinities of, say, a) Masai Mara tribesmen who, as a rite of passage in their youth, have to kill lions with only spears and b) even the most intensely bush-chested and monobrowed Western Dom who, for some reason, finds himself amongst a group of them? Put it this way: I'll bet the Masai word for 'girl's blouse' would get muttered a lot in the background . . . .

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 3:24:50 PM

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Well, yeah. I don't know about "butch," a term I associate with lesbians with mullets and harleys, but Dommes are definitely not very feminine. Being a Domme is a very masculine way of expressing one's self.

I have been told over and over again in my life by men of all walks of life that I might be one of the most inherently feminine woman they know. And I am bisexual and when I dated a girl, I was still my very feminine self.

I think your feminine/masculine - hetero/homo - dominant/submissive schema is pretty out of whack to be honest. Hopefully threads like this one will help you break out of that antiquated mold.

- LA

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 3:26:49 PM

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i think that you are mistaken. i am a male submissive, but there is nothing feminine about me. i lettered in 4 sports in high school. i played college basketball. i was a VERY successful corporate executive. i now own multiple companies. And i can kick most men's arses. i am an alpha male in the truest sense of the word, yet i self-identify as a submissive male.

Rochsub2009, you are a perfect example of the strong submissive man I describe. We need to clone you! ;-)

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RE: Forced Masculinity, Take 2 - 1/16/2010 3:28:47 PM

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LadyAngelika: It's a stereotype that submissive men aren't masculine. Submissive men are confident, intelligent, dominant men with a desire for feminine charm and a need female leadership and authority.

Oh I know this well! :-)

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I can't speak for all women but the submissive men I let into my life weren't weak, whinny doormats who wanted to be feminized into girly girls. Oh no!!! They see the WOMAN as the one to be pampered and adored.

Ditto.

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