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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 12:19:46 AM

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I enjoy the fantasy of forced bisexuality - it's a theme in a lot of the erotica that I enjoy writing. I agree with the idea that it isn't truly "forced." I don't enjoy taking what isn't freely given to me. But for me, I'm very content to leave certain things in the realm of fantasy verses requiring them in reality.

What is the attraction for me? It's the thought of a man doing something "difficult" just because it pleases me. And... I love men... The more male bodies in my fantasies, the better!

Why am I not interested in it in reality? Because my personal preference is heterosexual monogamy and because I believe there are possible social issues - such as the fact that a man who has ever had sex with another man is not allowed to donate blood to the American Red Cross - that I am not willing to compromise in another person, especially if we are not committed to each other for life.

"Forced" bi is not limited to anal sex. Less compromising acts of having a male endure something difficult solely to please his Domme can come (no pun intended) in the form of oral performance, or the forementioned 'clean-up duty'. Additionally, a male can top another male by doing activities which the Domme might normally do (spanking, paddling, dildo usage, anything). Just a thought, or some fuel for fantasy.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 1:58:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

"Forced" bi is not limited to anal sex. Less compromising acts of having a male endure something difficult solely to please his Domme can come (no pun intended) in the form of oral performance, or the forementioned 'clean-up duty'. Additionally, a male can top another male by doing activities which the Domme might normally do (spanking, paddling, dildo usage, anything). Just a thought, or some fuel for fantasy.

That's very true, Mistress Lorelei. I consider forced bisexuality to be anything that involves anal or genital contact.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 2:23:27 AM

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While forced bi is something I enjoy, it certainly isn't a "must." I would never disqualify a submissive for that reason, as other things are far more important to Me.

Interestingly enough, I have owned a few male subs in the past who stated initially that forced bi was a hard limit, then became intrigued by the concept and wanted to participate in it. And this was without any particular "encouragement" from Me.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 6:26:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: MysticFireTopaz
Interestingly enough, I have owned a few male subs in the past who stated initially that forced bi was a hard limit, then became intrigued by the concept and wanted to participate in it. And this was without any particular "encouragement" from Me.

MysticFireTopaz aka Lady Topaz

well, that is someone's own decision to make, to cross or explore something that he previously considered as a hard limit....i agree with that completely

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 6:47:54 AM

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I can certainly respect you Domme's that like the idea of forced Bi. I understand the power/control/energy exchange in such a display would be immense. But, if I was forced into a Bi situation, (and yes in subspace that could happen if my Hard Limit was not respected by somebody I'm strongly connected to,) I honestly don't know if I could live with myself when I come back up out of subspace. I believe the mental harm I would suffer would be akin to having an arm chopped off. In the very least I would hate my Domme and the relationship would be over. Respecting Hard Limits are important. But that's anpther topic.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 6:50:05 AM

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i would have to ask for release if it came down to being made to do "forced bi"

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 7:07:17 AM

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i would have to ask for release if it came down to being made to do "forced bi"

For once Michael, I'm with you. However, I would recommend making sure that this is understood and respected before you get involved. Subspace can be very scary. One can get to the point where your will is gone and you are totally at the mercy of the Top's whims. D/s is not a game, even though people "play" it.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 8:59:26 AM

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Having been there, and done that, can realte to the very deep and confused emotions and incredibly base fear. Trust is essential. For her, it was delight, highly erotic and and demonstration of great power. It was weeks in coming, knew it was going to happen, but was not completely sure. Being straight, I was very frightened, and that just added to the electricity. After a very memorable beating, it felt like a rape, in my ass and into my mouth, and I didnt know us guys had so much cum. She wants to do it again, I am confused and frightened at the prospect. Remember, no matter what, communication that is clear is a must here.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 9:20:06 AM

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I flunked shareing in first grade so I prefer a submissve not be bi .... However, if I had a potential submissive that was an excellant match in all other ways ... I would consideraccepting his submission and arrangeing a bi experience for him as a special reward when I have been especially pleased with his service/behaviour.

I find the oppostite side of the coin to be true in my experience .. I have difficulty finding male submissives who so not wish bi experiences

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 11:16:49 AM

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Interesting topic. I see so many different and valid opinions or feelings about this thing called forved bi. I'd like to add my two cents. First, even though I do not consider myself bisexual at all, I lile many have had fantasies about it. Most of my own are perhaps born out of the fact that I am a cross dresser. And all fantasies surround ing any bi activities have only been with my fem side. Or when in fem mode.I have in the past, experienced bi activities while dressed and in fem mode. But that was with ONLY other cross dressers. The male body has no appeal to me at all. so you might say those times were more like a lesbian relationships. lol With that said, I was collared until recently. Whe my Mistress of 3 years released me, it was like my whole world ended. I was so very much in love with her. There is or would be very little I would not do to please her. That would include, if she desired, my being sexual with a male. Why would I do that? Simple... To show her that i would do anything safe sane and consentual to please her, humor her, Or other wise show her my deep love for her and her power over me. That is where I would have my deepest pleasure, just pleasing her. The word forced might not fit though. It would be consentual. She never would have to "force" me to obey or do anything she wanted me to do. As far as me wanting a bi experience without her or a new love/ Domme in my life? NO WAY! Won't happen! But I admit that the turn on would be the fact that she wanted me to do it for whatever reason she might have had. My submission is only to ONE loving Domme/woman I might be in love with. if I were to find A Bomme to just "play" with, noo special bond such as love, my limits would be in force. That would include my being bi for her as a hard limit. Only my love for my Domme could make me be sexual with another male. But without that love, again....NO WAY!

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/25/2006 11:20:41 AM

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It is not a requirement for my wife and I to have a male sub be bisexual or be forced into it. What is more important to us for a male slave is that he will obey what she asks of him and take care of her needs.
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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/26/2006 3:43:41 AM

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i lov it this was great topic . as for my self its hard to say if im bi or not ? i agree many males have a fem side hidden deep inside them.as well as a females haveing the same with a male side too ... but as a submissive male who dose wear fem things im not a fulltime cd or tv at all. im very masculine male youd never guess i wore panties and things ..but i will say the idea of subbing too a Male Dom grew with me after haveing many vists with diffrent Mistresses and sevearl did say that a cd or male into wearing panties and other things at some time would question his self /her self too try things and push your limits and i know for my self i did and was willing too push my limits each time so maybe as a submissvie i grew too ? Maybe just feeling the humiliations of standing before anther male either a Dom or not while in female things that alone helps too push you too wondering and crossing you mind or as one Mistresss did had me blind foled and not knowing whos around or seeing you hear other voices then hers some female and male being touched and not knowing whos touching you also hepls fuel the mind and fantsys with it .... im sorry my post was so long if you feel i was wrong with my comments i truely undertsnad but as a long time sub male i just felt this was rtie in my aera of what i done and tryed ......

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 3/26/2006 4:16:48 AM

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hello all

I have recieve so many letters asking me if i would not make them forcilay suck another male.I was shock I the first thing that came to my mind was, why ask me something like that? I would ask some why did you think I would do that? Their asnwer have all been the same! The last mistress I was with made me do this as a punihsment or just her ideal of fun! Now if someone is bi and they are with a domme with is into that ok. but to force non gay male or non bisexual male,or male gay or not to do this is wrong. Many of the men have left their dommes for this reason, so now i recieve mail and it is always someone checking the bisexual box. When i tell them i am not interested in a bi sexual male they tell me i only put it because i thought it would make you want to have me, I am not really bisexual. I must explain this to so many I just stopped. But in short it is wrong i think. I think if this were a woman forcing her to do the same to another woman . Iwonder what to respeonse would be? I have not read the other reponses yet! Just my thought on the subject. NO it is not a must

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/1/2006 1:49:52 PM

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I personal require males to be bi or at least be willing to explore. I myself do activities in groups and enjoy a male willing to play with other males. I will not consider a male that absolutely says no way.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/1/2006 8:42:20 PM

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I'm sidestepping your terminology-
If a sub's hard limit is 'other men' I keep it moving.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/1/2006 9:57:09 PM

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If it were a movie it would be called 40 Year Old Anal Virgin: Homoerotica is extremely exciting to me and helping a straight man explore bicurious and homoerotic fantasies can be very exciting. I think that respecting someone's limits is important. However I prefer bisexual or transgendered play partners because I play on the bi to homosexual end of the spectrum. That's not to say that I expect my partner's to be bi, but they have to at least be open minded. Opening their minds is really fun to me. Agreed on acts that push the boundaries between heterosexuality and homosexuality can be fun as a so called "forced bi" but only within the bounds of safety and consensuality.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/1/2006 10:26:07 PM

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ewwwwwwwwwwwww, i'm glad i didn't sign up for this.

ROFLMAO... my poor dog thinks I have lost my mind laughing like this...

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/1/2006 11:43:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyThornrose

That's very true, Mistress Lorelei. I consider forced bisexuality to be anything that involves anal or genital contact.

I disagree with this definition. Ask a straight guy to french kiss another guy and see what kind of reaction you get :) I think I would add kissing to this definition simply becuase it's a very intimate thing shared between two people.

Of course, I'm bi so it doesn't matter :P

Tex

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/1/2006 11:58:00 PM

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I was just wondering how many dommes wouldn never even take a sub into consideration if a forced bi is his "hard limit"?

A hard limit today can be a soft limit tomorrow ...

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 12:10:58 AM

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A hard limit today can be a soft limit tomorrow ...

not with me it's not...to me, it's "always" a hard limit (i.e. men)

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