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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 12:16:43 AM   
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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 12:23:41 AM   
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I was just wondering how many dommes wouldn never even take a sub into consideration if a forced bi is his "hard limit"?


Bisexuality, needle/knife play and bondage are all 'musts' for me when I top.  If any of those are a hard limit, we're just not compatible. I'm not willing to give up what I like doing because of someone else's limits. No harm, no foul.. each of us obviously needs a different partner, that's all.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 8:04:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to admit, this forced Bi thing is much more popular among Domme's than I thought.  I must not be so submissive after all, there is just no way I could make myself go there.  I hate to be on Michael's side this time, but I am.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 8:27:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		    This question came up at the first Munch I ever attended and it was explained to me that subs don't get to pick their orientation.  It was quite a while before I went to another munch.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 8:57:53 AM   
yourstoenjoy


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Status: offline 		Hi I'm new here and it's very difficult to find Mistresses in my country.....i'm very excited to think of bi-sex activity while being dominated by a Mistress...why not?? and even drink other's cum to her wish....after all that is what being a slave.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 5:55:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: strob

I was just wondering how many dommes wouldn never even take a sub into consideration if a forced bi is his "hard limit"?


I would not *not* consider the boy.  But I would also expect the boy to be open to the fact that I might like to play these games at times, and if he is not the participant...Oh, well...Too bad, so sad.
I think I have a point here, and that is that there seem to be lots of boys who not only make this a hard limit, but they also want it to be a hard limit for their Mistress.  They don't want to share.
Another quick question here...I read a thread some time back about a lady on this site who is adamant about bi activity.  She does not, in any way shape or form, want to be with another lady.  She was debated with over and over (for pages and pages) about her preference.  For some reason almost everyone seemed to think that she should be willing to consider this as an act of obedience, or she wasn't very submissive.
I guess we still have a double standard.
As to the cuckolding reference...This huge male fantasy that so many want...hmmmm!  Often, part of the cuckolding scene is preparing the bull with oral sex, as well as the cleanup afterward.  I am always amazed at how many boys beg for and *crave* cuckolding.  They always seem to forget all it entails, and only include the exciting parts in their fanatsies.  BTW, I do not cuckold.  That was just an FYI.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 6:24:51 PM   
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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 7:32:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: michaelGA

i guess i'm more of a pain in the ass than i thought for people to hate me so...but i'll manage to keep my disappointment to a minimum...


Did you think I was addressing you, Michael?  Because I wasn't...I already know where you stand.  I was making a general comment to the original question along with the additional perspective garnered from the other posts thus far.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 7:38:37 PM   
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i guess i'm more of a pain in the ass than i thought for people to hate me so...but i'll manage to keep my disappointment to a minimum...

My god, you have quite the complex there.  "Everything is about you, everybody hates you. "

Speak your opinion but have a little backbone.  Understand the fact people are going to disagree, then be every bit as bold in stating their opinion as you like to boast that you are.

News Flash for you:  People are not going to take your word as gospel.  Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 8:23:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		It truly is a must for Me. I wouldn't consider a sub/cuck if it was a definitive hard limit seeing how it is truly the basis of cuckold humiliation. I prefer to explain it this way. It is not in anyway indicative of their sexuality or being "gay". It is far more a matter of their being willing, even eager, to do what pleases Me without regard or thought to their own pleasure or preferences. Having My cuck prep My lovers pleases Me a great deal therefore if they aren't going to do it they're of very little use to Me in the bedroom.



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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/2/2006 10:02:48 PM   
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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/3/2006 2:14:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: michaelGA

at this point, i don't really give a S**t what people think of me any more...either they like me or they don't...i'm not gonna lose any more sleep over it.

The point is, it doesn't have to be that way.   Try and see things from anothers point of view and don't take everything so personal.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/3/2006 2:38:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am understanding about those who say bi is an issue for them. That can be worked thru. If they draw a line and say no matter what no then I explain to them there are other people out there that they can find to serve.If the issue with the male is "fear of gay activities" the threat to ones manhood, that too can be worked thru if the sub/slave is willing. I firmly believe in communication and being up front about concerns and issues real  or imaginary.Therefore, explaining up front that to serve me in the way I desire they must be willing to play with men. If that is something they could not do under any circumstance and are not willing to even dabble then they are not for me. One way to harmlessly test....blindfold and allow oral to happen on them w/o them seeing the sex of the person. Allowing  both a female and a male to blow them.....getting consent of course for them to be blindfolded and blown, the sex of the person blowing is irrelevant and I found guys can give better bjs than females....


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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/3/2006 3:07:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

It truly is a must for Me. I wouldn't consider a sub/cuck if it was a definitive hard limit seeing how it is truly the basis of cuckold humiliation. I prefer to explain it this way. It is not in anyway indicative of their sexuality or being "gay". It is far more a matter of their being willing, even eager, to do what pleases Me without regard or thought to their own pleasure or preferences. Having My cuck prep My lovers pleases Me a great deal therefore if they aren't going to do it they're of very little use to Me in the bedroom.


I can truly appreciate and respect your choice. It's what you like and what you want, and ultimately what you will get. I am open minded and have no problem with anyone concerning any orientation. But as for me, I'm going to call it how I feel it is. To engage in any homosexual activity makes a person a homosexual. I am not a homosexual, nor do I want to be one. Forcing Bi on me would make me one in my mind.

The truth is, in subspace, there is no question in my mind that a Domme I am closely connected with could take me there. But when I come back up and re-enter the real world what would be my mindset? There have been men that have been forced through something like this that have ended up killing themselves. I could possibly see that happening with me, or worse, or not at all. I've never lost my mind, so obviously I don't know how I would react. Could I even come out of this in a murderous rage? I’d certainly like to think not but anything is possible when destroying a persons mind. Breaking a person’s "hard limit" is not something to be done lightly.

This is an issue I’ve been dealing with on a personal level. The Domme I have been serving is a switch that is really more sub than Dom. She is seeking a Dom, and in that search she has run into Dom’s that love the cuckold thing. So I’ve been in this discussion with her. She knows how I feel and respects that. In fact a Dom she spent this past weekend with in some training had tried to convince her to set me up for a 3-way type thing. He told her "we could get him to do it." She said "yes, but I don’t think it would be healthy for him to do this." She is right. I have no issues with that Dom. We get along fine really and I understand where he’s coming from. It’s just not for me.

I am a bit frustrated by this whole idea right now. It seems to me that bi-sexuality is a bigger part of the BDSM lifestyle than I thought. It’s a place I cannot go. It does have me questioning myself as a submissive though.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/3/2006 3:21:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		IMO there are a good number of men who have that block and feel the way to do TeeGo...it is something that can be worked thru with the right people involved. It can be a very emotional process and takes time and care.Someone who is knowledgeable in bi and the male mindset can work one thru the whole gay bi thing. This society raised men to be in positions that as adults they run into walls and issues. No doubt society is changing, into what remains to be seen. Exploring the body of a person that shares your sex does not make one bi or gay  in my book. In my experience sexual activity is a beautiful thing does not matter the body it matters the act and feeling behind it. Looking at the bigger picture and the enjoyment of being physical.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/3/2006 3:45:08 PM   
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I am a bit frustrated by this whole idea right now. It seems to me that bi-sexuality is a bigger part of the BDSM lifestyle than I thought. It’s a place I cannot go. It does have me questioning myself as a submissive though.


Take it easy big man. I read this thread and had to bust up laughing. Not to poke fun at anyone.... but I see this thread moving in the same direction as one with a similar title did back in October. I can only imagine that a another will unfold about six months down the road, only with new participants - Ahhh what fun.... more re-hash! http://www.collarchat.com/m_186764/mpage_3/key_forced/tm.htm#187784


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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/3/2006 3:49:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not all of us have to have it and  can accept that it is a hard limit for some.  It is not something that I would force on anyone.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/3/2006 3:58:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, I went to that link and it was in essence the same talk different people. Only it seemed more heated there lol.....This is my venture on the boards though so I figured it might as well be something I feel strongly about.

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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/3/2006 4:12:49 PM   
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Wow, I went to that link and it was in essence the same talk different people. Only it seemed more heated there lol.....This is my venture on the boards though so I figured it might as well be something I feel strongly about.


*wink*  That's why I put the link there...... so this one doesn't get too many folks upset. Believe me.... that's only the tip of the iceburg. If you go back and read even deeper into the archives, you'll see some pretty outlandish claims {tall tales} being made that would make more than a few people upset. The funny thing is..... after you get to know those making such claims, you recognize that it's merely a sensational ploy to bring attention to the otherwise attention less. ; }


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RE: Forced bi as a must?! - 4/3/2006 4:46:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

Ahhh what fun.... more re-hash! http://www.collarchat.com/m_186764/mpage_3/key_forced/tm.htm#187784



I remember that thread! And don't forget all the "Is it forced bi if they're begging to be forced" threads. lol

If you're taking count, I fall in the "doesn't share well, so no interest in forced-bi" camp. But these forums don't give a real statistical sampling of opinions of the overall CM Domme population anyway. So I certainly wouldn't be re-thinking how I feel about my dominance, submission, or anything else solely based on opinions here, TeeGO.



**Edited to get the quote thing right.

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