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Louve00 -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 10:50:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucienne

I find a lot to disagree with in the linked article. To begin with, the idea that "liberals" have a significant voice in the national conversation such that we set the terms of debate. Health care reform negotiations started with single-payer off the table. Liberals are not in charge here. If liberals were in charge, Rahm Emanuel would be forcefully retired to Alaska and kept busy ice fishing. The genuinely liberal voices mentioned in that article are far from the corridors of power. What... you've got writers, professors, and a damn comedian. And the former head of the DNC who is generally held in disdain by the Washington establishment despite having been very successful at the job. If you're catching a snide tone from actual liberals it's because no one ever fucking listens to us even when history proves us fucking right. It's not condescension. We don't have the power to condescend. It's frustration, impatience and impotence. Because conservatives are fucking morons and they're basically in charge. So, yeah, boo fucking hoo sorry your insecure little mind was offended while your horrible ideas ruin the fucking country. (ETA: The Daily Show and Colbert Report are gallows humor.)

I mean seriously:

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Perhaps the most important conservative insight being depreciated is the durable warning from free-marketeers that government programs often fail to yield what their architects intend. Democrats have been busy expanding, enacting or proposing major state interventions in financial markets, energy and health care. Supporters of such efforts want to ensure that key decisions will be made in the public interest and be informed, for example, by sound science, the best new medical research or prudent standards of private-sector competition. But public-choice economists have long warned that when decisions are made in large, centralized government programs, political priorities almost always trump other goals.


How many textbook examples of market failure do you  jackasses have to see before you're willing to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, sometimes a government program that doesn't work exactly as intended is better for the community than a free market that doesn't work exactly as intended?



I doubt they'll ever see it, which is why the fight goes on and on, but I still think kittinSol said it best in post #6 (For some people its definitely worth posting and framing...oh, and giving to them as presents!) [:D]




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 10:53:33 AM)

FR

Its a natural defense mechanism to puff out your chest when there is nothing to back up your bravado.




Jeffff -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 11:20:44 AM)

An odd statement coming from someone who refuses to document anything he posts.


Jeff




rulemylife -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 11:21:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

A nice, gentle, bit of analysis about behaviors we get see around here on a regular basis.  Probably too gentle.
 
Every political community includes some members who insist that their side has all the answers and that their adversaries are idiots. But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration. Indeed, all the appeals to bipartisanship notwithstanding, President Obama and other leading liberal voices have joined in a chorus of intellectual condescension.

Why are liberals so condescending?




Are you fucking kidding me?

From your link:

...as when Obama charges that critics of health-care reform are peddling fake fears of a "Bolshevik plot"



Now tell me, how many times has that exact thing been said by conservatives?

Republicans in Congress, the conservative media, conservatives on this board?

Did we forget the charges of socialism, death panels, stripping the elderly of Medicare?

Do I need to bring up the links to remind you?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 11:24:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

An odd statement coming from someone who refuses to document anything he posts.


Jeff


I document everything I post that isnt so ridiculously over-documented and over-discussed that asking for it is just a game.




Marc2b -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 11:26:27 AM)

Wrong question.

The question is not "Why are Liberals so condescending?" or even "Why are Conservatives so condescending?"

The question is "Why are people so condescending?"

The answer is... becasue we enjoy being condescending. It allows us to flatter our own egos. It also promotes group cohesion - there is no greater unifyer of people than a common enemy. "See those people over there? See how stupid and ugly and evil they are? Aren't you glad that you're one of us and not one of them?"

In my experience niether the Liberals nor the Conservatives have a monopoly (or a paucity) of intelligence, attractiveness, morality, etc, etc. Their definitions of intelligence (which too often is confused with the word education), attractiveness, and morality may differ but when you strip away the surface details of ideology you are left with the same thing on both sides - overly clever primates acting according to their nature.




housesub4you -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 11:26:49 AM)

Thank God it is just the liberals;  Because I do not remember anyone saying that if you do not support the President, you are helping the terrorist, if you do not support the War the terrorist win, or we must Bring the President down and make this his Waterloo

No it's just liberals who talk down to people, liberals and the head of the GOP Mr Rush...retards retards...and someone remains quiet




Marc2b -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 11:31:30 AM)

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tinglier clits,


Tinglier clits?

Is tinglier a word? Well if it wasn't before now, you get credit for coining it.

"Hey, I heard you dumped Betty and are now dating Paula. How come?"

"I heard Paula has a tinglier clit."




Arpig -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 11:35:29 AM)

I'm not sure just what your point in starting this thread was, your quote pretty much sums it up...the left is correct & the right is wrong...simple[:)]




Thadius -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 11:43:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Thank God it is just the liberals;  Because I do not remember anyone saying that if you do not support the President, you are helping the terrorist, if you do not support the War the terrorist win, or we must Bring the President down and make this his Waterloo

No it's just liberals who talk down to people, liberals and the head of the GOP Mr Rush...retards retards...and someone remains quiet




I do remember a few speeches and statements from the left stating that if you opposed the President you were a racist.

The arrogance exists on both sides, however the majority of the remarks regarding lack of intelligence seem to come from the left.

Just my opinion.




KatyLied -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 12:00:44 PM)

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Narrow horizons....


Nah, I just seem to naturally find myself with very left sort of guys, and it is probably better that way.




Real0ne -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 12:04:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

As a conservative I take offense to all the conservative bashing, but as a human I TRULY take offense to the original question, so...bash away oh liberal ones!![:D]


that was the whole idea of the thread after all :)




kittinSol -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 12:22:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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Narrow horizons....


Nah, I just seem to naturally find myself with very left sort of guys, and it is probably better that way.



Conkissing = big nono.




Musicmystery -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 12:24:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

A nice, gentle, bit of analysis about behaviors we get see around here on a regular basis.  Probably too gentle.
 
Every political community includes some members who insist that their side has all the answers and that their adversaries are idiots. But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration. Indeed, all the appeals to bipartisanship notwithstanding, President Obama and other leading liberal voices have joined in a chorus of intellectual condescension.

Why are liberals so condescending?




That's a pretty self-serving take by the author.

If you don't think that applies to conservatives, you aren't paying attention. A decidedly self-serving bunch.

This also perpetuates the liberal/conservative world view fiction. The majority of people are neither, but instead moderate.




Jeffff -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 12:24:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

An odd statement coming from someone who refuses to document anything he posts.


Jeff


I document everything I post that isnt so ridiculously over-documented and over-discussed that asking for it is just a game.



wilbur?... you have never documented a damn thing.


Jeff




rulemylife -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 12:24:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

The arrogance exists on both sides, however the majority of the remarks regarding lack of intelligence seem to come from the left.

Just my opinion.


Is that surprising?

Republicans have been pandering to the lowest common denominator since they elected Reagan.

You only have to listen to Sarah Palin or the Teabaggers to understand why the left makes remarks on lack of intelligence.

Which is not to denounce the whole right, or Republicans in general as lacking intelligence.  No one is saying that.

But when the face of the party becomes Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh spewing their nonsense about Haiti then something is wrong and it is not condescension to criticize that.




juliaoceania -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 12:28:42 PM)

Why do conservatives ask self serving rhetorical questions?




kittinSol -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 12:30:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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tinglier clits,


Tinglier clits?

Is tinglier a word?



No, it's a barbarism - try it, sometimes: it's a lot of fun :-) .

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Well if it wasn't before now, you get credit for coining it.



Cheers. Five kS points to you [8D] .




juliaoceania -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 12:31:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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Liberals seem condescending to conservatives because they're taller, healthier, more intelligent and more beautiful, have bigger cocks, tinglier clits, and are better in bed.


LOL and so true.  At least in my experience.  sowwy



It is true in my experience...

I did date a jarhead once upon a time that was well endowed and handsome and deeply conservative... good in bed did not make up for stupid




thornhappy -> RE: Why are liberals so condescending? (2/6/2010 12:31:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Oh crap!.  I just realized I misposted here.  Not quite walking into the ladies room at a fine restaraunt, but this thread is in the wrong place.

What's that like?  I've just walked into men's rooms at work and school...wondering "what's wrong with this picture"?




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