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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 11:47:05 AM

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Why the hell is everyone SO SCARED of people whose PAPERS might not be in perfect order?

Remember who liked PAPERS?

Hitler.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 11:54:40 AM

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Why the hell is everyone SO SCARED of people whose PAPERS might not be in perfect order?

Remember who liked PAPERS?

Hitler.

Fargle, it's not a matter of their "Papers" being in order it's that they don't have the right to be in this country.
The U.S. is a great country because of our *Laws*."
Once we let that start slipping we lose everything.
You "O.K." with rape and murder too?
As for me I'm not "afraid" of illegal aliens I'm more *angry* at my govt. for not doing it's job!
And if the Democrats don't do anything in the way of enforcing our laws it'll be a short two years for them as well.
The American People are in a Firing mood!
What's with your Hitler analogy?

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 12:33:47 PM

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What's with your Hitler analogy?

Go read Hitler's first letter to the German People regarding Jews, and substitute "Illegal Alien" wherever you see the word "Jew" and tell me what the analogy is...

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 1:35:32 PM

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Oh I see and George Bush is "Hitler" right?
I'm sure glad apples aren't oranges.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 1:58:58 PM

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Oh I see and George Bush is "Hitler" right?
I'm sure glad apples aren't oranges.

Of course not. Only the most cursory examination of the issue and negligent analysis would possible lead to that conclusion.

My point is the ATTITUDES promoted and exploited by "The Man" regarding "Undocumented Aliens" is EXACTLY the same set of ATTITUDES promoted and exploited by "National Socialists" regarding Jews.

But hey, if you support Torture, Secret Prisons, and Domestic Surveillance of all phone and internet traffic ( as detailed in the papers for EFF v. AT&T... ) then you wouldn't have a problem promoting the propaganda here.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 3:43:57 PM

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Oh I see and George Bush is "Hitler" right?
I'm sure glad apples aren't oranges.

Of course not. Only the most cursory examination of the issue and negligent analysis would possible lead to that conclusion.

My point is the ATTITUDES promoted and exploited by "The Man" regarding "Undocumented Aliens" is EXACTLY the same set of ATTITUDES promoted and exploited by "National Socialists" regarding Jews.

But hey, if you support Torture, Secret Prisons, and Domestic Surveillance of all phone and internet traffic ( as detailed in the papers for EFF v. AT&T... ) then you wouldn't have a problem promoting the propaganda here.

Fargle, you're not making a lot of sense here guy.
"The Man?"
You're "The Man." So am I.
And now you're talking about "torture", "secret prisons", "domestic surveilance?"
Watch out for those "Black Helocopters."

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 5:37:09 PM

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Fargle, you're not making a lot of sense here guy.
"The Man?"
You're "The Man." So am I.

Fuck you. I'm not The Man.

"And now you're talking about "torture", "secret prisons", "domestic surveilance?"

Oh, waterboarding's not torture? Then let's strap your kids down and do it to them, ok? It's not torture you say...

Yeah, Secret Prisons. With prisoners the US isn't telling the International Red Cross about, as per our Treaty Obligations.

And domestic S-U-R-V-E-I-L-L-A-N-C-E. You can't even spell it correctly.

Go read the briefs on EFF v. AT&T and when you've looked over the EVIDENCE of every bit on at&t's network being copied to the nsa, get back to me.

Watch out for those "Black Helocopters."

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 7:17:03 PM

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popeye:
Are you suggesting that the U.S. is not torturing people? I thought the military just court martialed some people for that crime? Bush & co. have already gone public with their doctrin that they have a right and an obligation to spy domestically. I thought all of this was public knowledge.
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 8:40:20 PM

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Thompson, I didn't bring up "torture" at all.
Go back and read the above posts.
I was trying to stay on topic but fargle is all over the place on this.
What the hell does "Hitler" have to do with this topic?
Someone's off their meds.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 8:47:50 PM

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Sinergy, it doesn't matter what someone's race is

You were the one who argued with somebody being referred to as being a member of the "Hispanic" race.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 9:02:30 PM

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Sinergy, "Hispanic" is not a race, it's an ethnic group.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 9:25:47 PM

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Sinergy, "Hispanic" is not a race, it's an ethnic group.

One more time.

The caucasian spaniards intermarried with the mongoloid native american's and formed a people who generally speak "Spanish," hence the use of the term "Hispanic" (which is a language family, not a culture) to describe them.

You are misunderstanding my objection.

There are very few pure "races" left on the planet, largely because miscegenation among the human species has been diluting the gene pool for millenia.

Yet people continue to cite "race" as an issue.

I dont think what is termed the "hispanic" problem has anything to do with their race, their culture, their lifestyle choices, or whatever.

It is the fact that the immigration problem violates the law of TANSTAAFL, or "There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch." Come to this country, use our public services, pay taxes to support them. Dont like the rules, go home and fix your own stupid country and leave the one we built alone.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 9:35:19 PM

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popeye:
I was asking for clarification of your position. You seemed to have lumped torture in with what seemed like a disparaging remark about black helocopters. As a result I was asking for you to give me a clearer picture of your opinion.
Now as to someone being off their meds it certainly is not me...my doctor requires me to stay loaded and I do my best to comply

and I am gonna' charge you with the responsibility to take note of anything I say that may be considered to have been thought of in a sober state...shipmates are suppose to look out for one another.
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/26/2006 9:49:10 PM

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Why the hell is everyone SO SCARED of people whose PAPERS might not be in perfect order?

Remember who liked PAPERS?

Hitler.

I thought we didnt need no steenkin papers.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/27/2006 2:52:23 AM

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What the hell does "Hitler" have to do with this topic?

Hitler used FEAR to get the democratic German People to give up Constitutional safeguards for their rights.

Bush used FEAR to get the democratic American People to give up Constitutional safeguards for their rights.

Or did you miss that you no longer have a right to a Writ of Habeas Corpus, all your internet and phone traffic is tapped, and Bush totally wiped his ass with the constitution when he unlawfully diverted funds from the Congressionally approved and funded Afghanistan operations to active war against Iraq without Congressional approval. ( Which BTW is a Fraud worse than Enron, and a crime against 18 USC 371. )

Your irrational paranoia about undocumented illegals is just as bad as the Germans irrational paranoia about Jews.

Any questions?

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/27/2006 4:47:07 AM

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What the hell does "Hitler" have to do with this topic?

Hitler used FEAR to get the democratic German People to give up Constitutional safeguards for their rights.

Bush used FEAR to get the democratic American People to give up Constitutional safeguards for their rights.

Or did you miss that you no longer have a right to a Writ of Habeas Corpus, all your internet and phone traffic is tapped, and Bush totally wiped his ass with the constitution when he unlawfully diverted funds from the Congressionally approved and funded Afghanistan operations to active war against Iraq without Congressional approval. ( Which BTW is a Fraud worse than Enron, and a crime against 18 USC 371. )

Your irrational paranoia about undocumented illegals is just as bad as the Germans irrational paranoia about Jews.

Any questions?

I didn't realise the illegal invasion of Iraq was not congressionally approved - learn something new everyday etc.

Spot on with with the fear and paranoia points. Same, old, well-worn, tried and tested Government techniques for grouping people behind the flag like good little boys and girls. You would think in this day and age with all the information we have available, our improved education and everything we know about history we would learn. It comes back to the point that people will not learn if they do not care. It shows how much people have been programmed into consumerism. People have completely lost the plot - we don't mind our Governments killing people who we don't know and have never met providing we have our gadgets. Strange world.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/27/2006 5:34:28 AM

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Or did you miss that you no longer have a right to a Writ of Habeas Corpus, all your internet and phone traffic is tapped, and Bush totally wiped his ass with the constitution when he unlawfully diverted funds from the Congressionally approved and funded Afghanistan operations to active war against Iraq without Congressional approval. ( Which BTW is a Fraud worse than Enron, and a crime against 18 USC 371. )

What difference should it make to you? Why worry about the government's non enforcement of one law while screaming about the enforcement of another? A very hypocritical position. Deciding which laws you would like to have enforced isn't up to you.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/27/2006 7:14:44 AM

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Or did you miss that you no longer have a right to a Writ of Habeas Corpus, all your internet and phone traffic is tapped, and Bush totally wiped his ass with the constitution when he unlawfully diverted funds from the Congressionally approved and funded Afghanistan operations to active war against Iraq without Congressional approval. ( Which BTW is a Fraud worse than Enron, and a crime against 18 USC 371. )

What difference should it make to you? Why worry about the government's non enforcement of one law while screaming about the enforcement of another? A very hypocritical position. Deciding which laws you would like to have enforced isn't up to you.

I never suggested violations of any laws shouldn't be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

If you're going to toss Martha Stewart in prison for a year for fibbing to a fed about something which ISN'T A CRIME IN THE FIRST PLACE, then Bush should be held accountable for diverting lawful Afghanistan operations money to planning and operations against Iraq without Congressional approval or knowledge.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/27/2006 7:24:48 AM

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I never suggested violations of any laws shouldn't be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

GREAT! Then you are against illegal aliens, support their deportation, and want the employers to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the laws currently on the books. I agree with you and there is no need for any further program to address the problem.

I'm in full agreement with your that simple enforcement of ALL laws is all that's needed.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/27/2006 7:47:04 AM

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I never suggested violations of any laws shouldn't be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

GREAT! Then you are against illegal aliens, support their deportation, and want the employers to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the laws currently on the books. I agree with you and there is no need for any further program to address the problem.

I'm in full agreement with your that simple enforcement of ALL laws is all that's needed.

I'll do you one better.

County Sheriffs should be paid a $50.00 bounty for any undocumented person they come across that they deliver to the DHS/INS/Customs whatever they are..

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