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RE: Legally Illegal? - 12/27/2006 4:08:57 PM   
thompsonx


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Status: offline 		How about instead of 50 bux for some illegal alien we give them a grand for bringing in the scumbag that hired them.  Like the ceo of swift inc or tyson or any of the other blood sucking slavers in corporate amerika.
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/5/2007 12:16:05 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Ready to expand the already bankrupt Social Security system by the inclusion of illegal alien workers? Our elected officials are confident that you are.

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Social Security for illegal aliens
By Stephen Dinan


An agreement the Bush administration reached with Mexico on Social Security benefits would allow illegal aliens granted amnesty in the future to claim credit for the time they worked illegally.

The deal was reached in 2004 but never released publicly because it hasn't been submitted to Congress. The TREA Senior Citizens League, a Social Security advocacy group, recently obtained the document through a Freedom of Information Act, and said it confirms the group's worst fears. And that comes as the Social Security system's finances are about to be put under greater strain by the retirement of baby boomers.

"If you open up the trust fund to people who have been working in the country illegally for many years, that bankruptcy date can only come sooner," spokesman Brad Phillips said. "People on the other side of this, people who have been arguing that of course illegal aliens can't get their hands on Social Security benefits, now can't make that argument easily anymore."  Source: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070104-120950-4277r.htm 


This should be an issue that crosses party lines. Those in power have an agenda that is served by caring for people here and working illegally more than their own citizens. Although Mark Lassiter, a spokesman for SS responds; "To get Social Security benefits, you do have to be legally in the United States. Selective enforcement practices is the problem that created the condition.

Paying taxes for only 3 of 5 years, social security benefits; these are issues taking money out of your pockets now and out of your already meager expectations of social security benefits upon retirement.

Make sure your representatives know your position.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/5/2007 9:56:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

I never suggested violations of any laws shouldn't be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.



I thought I was the only person who thought Rumsfeld (and Monkeyboy and Shotgun when their terms are up) should be turned over to the Hague War Crimes Tribunal.

Although I dont think the guy who videotapes it should be arrested.  Freedom of the press and all that.

Just me, etc.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/7/2007 1:55:06 PM   
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The American constitution is crafted so that people can oppose to laws that they believe are unfair -- that is the essential point to freedom of expression.  If I don't agree with something, be it my governments policy or its laws I can (and as a good citizen should) express my opinion and rally to change it. 


Agreed but..........welcome to California.  The citizenry overwhelmingly voted to oppose giving legal rights (including school and medical care, paid for by the legal taxpayers of the state, including legal immigrants) to illegal  immigrants flooding in from Mexico. The courts overturned the vote.


I haven't read the entire post yet so excuse me if I'm stepping on someones toes, but the mention of CA reminded me of the decision passed in Escondido, CA to fine renters for renting to illegal immigrants. The courts put a block on it and then Escondido backed off.  It did upset me because I have no issue with immigration and living the American Dream, but I don't like the illegal part. And there is a debate about whether they should be able to get drivers' licenses and all? Come on! Why not just come into the states legally?  But I also think that there are alot of underhanded, shady businesses that encourage it because they can pay them less wages or abuse them in some other way. And I wonder how much this all affects the job market in the US?

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/7/2007 7:36:06 PM   
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Fargle, you're not making a lot of sense here guy.
"The Man?"
You're "The Man." So am I.


Fuck you. I'm not The Man.



As long as we can all agree that I just want to be free to ride my machine and not be hassled by the Man.

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p.s. my unmentionables give me really odd looks when I pontificate that loudly in shopping malls.

edited because of spurious "ly"s.


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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/8/2007 10:51:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Finally some numbers for those who identify the illegal aliens entering the country as; "hard working people whose only goal is to better themselves." By definition they are perpetrating a criminal act meeting the definition of criminal. However, this article addresses their activities in the US which would be criminal even as a US citizen. Many who were part of the "catch and release" program simply come back; some as many as six times.

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The findings by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine are based on a sampling of 100 illegal immigrants arrested by local and state authorities in 2004, the latest complete data available. They show that 73 of the 100 immigrants were arrested, collectively, 429 times - ranging from traffic tickets to weapons and drug charges. Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CRIMINAL_IMMIGRANTS?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-01-08-08-55-21

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/9/2007 12:13:07 PM   
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A reason for or against supporting the ACLU with your donated dollars and time. At minimum its good to know their priorities. Apparently the "A" in ACLU references "America" as both North and South American. Wonder how their act would play in the country of origin of these law breakers?

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PROVIDENCE — The Rhode Island Affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union yesterday filed a federal lawsuit against the state police, alleging racial profiling and violation of the constitutional rights of 14 Guatemalan nationals during a July traffic stop that led to their detention by immigration officials. Source:http://www.projo.com/news/content/RIACLU_SUIT9_01-09-07_AG3PUSQ.2c7d941.html#  

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/11/2007 4:26:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the 1930s about 1 million American citizens of Mexican descent were forced out of Southern California in a forced repatration. Many Mexicans think the current wave of hysteria about illegals is more to do with racism like that of the 1930s than illegal Mexicans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/assignment.shtml

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/12/2007 8:05:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

In the 1930s about 1 million American citizens of Mexican descent were forced out of Southern California in a forced repatration. Many Mexicans think the current wave of hysteria about illegals is more to do with racism like that of the 1930s than illegal Mexicans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/assignment.shtml


meatcleaver:
You might also be interested to know that when WWII came around the U.S. govt. sent the eligible males that were deported draft notices.  Of the elligible males who were deported and subsequently sent draft notices 100% showed up for service.
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/12/2007 8:20:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth



A reason for or against supporting the ACLU with your donated dollars and time. At minimum its good to know their priorities. Apparently the "A" in ACLU references "America" as both North and South American. Wonder how their act would play in the country of origin of these law breakers?

quote:

PROVIDENCE — The Rhode Island Affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union yesterday filed a federal lawsuit against the state police, alleging racial profiling and violation of the constitutional rights of 14 Guatemalan nationals during a July traffic stop that led to their detention by immigration officials. Source:http://www.projo.com/news/content/RIACLU_SUIT9_01-09-07_AG3PUSQ.2c7d941.html#  



Mercnbeth:
I was unable to find the above site would you please give me a link?  When I type it in I get nothing.
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/12/2007 8:41:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Finally some numbers for those who identify the illegal aliens entering the country as; "hard working people whose only goal is to better themselves." By definition they are perpetrating a criminal act meeting the definition of criminal. However, this article addresses their activities in the US which would be criminal even as a US citizen. Many who were part of the "catch and release" program simply come back; some as many as six times.

quote:

The findings by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine are based on a sampling of 100 illegal immigrants arrested by local and state authorities in 2004, the latest complete data available. They show that 73 of the 100 immigrants were arrested, collectively, 429 times - ranging from traffic tickets to weapons and drug charges. Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CRIMINAL_IMMIGRANTS?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2007-01-08-08-55-21



Mercnbeth:
Your commentary is not supported by the site you list.  The article points out that the reporting agencies recieved hundreds of thousands of dollars for filling out paperwork (essentially a keystroke to add data to a form).  That misdemeanors were used to classify these people as aggravated felons.  That these aggravated felons had doubled in number in the past 15 years but I am sure that the number of illegal aliens has increased by more than double in the past 15 years which would seem to indicate that the "criminal" behaviour has actually gone down and not up. 
It is not that me and thee disagree about the substance of the illegal alien problem but it would appear that you are ringing the wrong bell in this case.
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/12/2007 9:30:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

In the 1930s about 1 million American citizens of Mexican descent were forced out of Southern California in a forced repatration. Many Mexicans think the current wave of hysteria about illegals is more to do with racism like that of the 1930s than illegal Mexicans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/assignment.shtml


Meat, it's impossable for that to be "racism."
"Hispanic" or "Mexican" are not "races" they're ethnic groups.
There are only three (3) "Races"; *Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid.*
Being of Irish descent could I go around trying to call myself a different "race" by referring to myself as "Celtic?"
There is no "Race Card" to play there.
Someone's "race" is not the subject here, it's their legal status.
Immigration to (any) country is not a "right."

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/12/2007 10:01:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

In the 1930s about 1 million American citizens of Mexican descent were forced out of Southern California in a forced repatration. Many Mexicans think the current wave of hysteria about illegals is more to do with racism like that of the 1930s than illegal Mexicans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/assignment.shtml


Meat, it's impossable for that to be "racism."
"Hispanic" or "Mexican" are not "races" they're ethnic groups.
There are only three (3) "Races"; *Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid.*
Being of Irish descent could I go around trying to call myself a different "race" by referring to myself as "Celtic?"
There is no "Race Card" to play there.
Someone's "race" is not the subject here, it's their legal status.
Immigration to (any) country is not a "right."


popeye:
I would submit that there is but one race...that being the human race.  That being said we both know that the term racism is used quite often instead of ethnocentracism.  How would you describe what he is talking about here.  The forced deportation of american citizens because of their ethnic background.
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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/12/2007 10:07:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thompson, one race the human race?
I think the NAACP would disagree with you heartily.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/12/2007 10:34:34 AM   
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Thompson, one race the human race?
I think the NAACP would disagree with you heartily.


Popeye,
The NAACP, CAIR, and even the Mothers And Fathers Italian Association aside; pointing to race is a method used by illegal immigration advocates as a distraction from the issue. 

ALL races are equal and inclusive. The issue is one of law, the law of the United States as of 2007. Not law as it was prior to 1776 or the law of California as it was prior to becoming a state. It is really very basic and simple. It is illegal for these people to be here.

This problem effects all of us, directly and indirectly. The focus of government resource directed by our politicians is sadly misplaced. For instance; as of the last report 5 Million senior citizens and others eligible for Medicare have not sent in their Part D paperwork. By definition these are older Americans who most likely are confused by the paperwork. Our Representatives refuse and will NOT grant any extension for filing the paperwork. However our Representatives are working to find a way where the estimated 12 Million law breakers can not only stay, but only pay taxes for 3 of past 5 years. Meanwhile these law breakers protest, receive support monies, attend schools, avoid paying income taxes, and have our public school teachers take 300 hours of ESL (English as a Second Language) training at taxpayer expense. Our representative must HATE the old people as much as they LOVE law breakers.

Lock up the employers! The problem is resolved. Then these hard working, good people, looking to better themselves can work in and for the country in which they are legal citizens.

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RE: Legally Illegal? - 1/12/2007 10:43:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Thompson, one race the human race?
I think the NAACP would disagree with you heartily.


popeye:
If you choose to "pick fly shit out of pepper" that is your choice.  I have agreed with you that the term race is used inappropriately...you feel that there are three races.  The scientific community seems to feel that there is but one. 
Back to the original question. 
How would you characterize the deportation of more than one million american citizens of mexican ethincity.  Which was the thrust of  meatcleavers post.  If you do not feel comfrotable calling it racism how would you describe it.
thompson

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