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ORIGINAL: GreedyEvilBych

" Mexico deals with it's poor by exporting them to the USA where they will be exploited. They provide maps, comics, and care packages to help them on their journey."

Please tell me that you do not seriously believe this??? Would like me to tell you what its REALLY like on their journey to the US? Some are forced to come here by their parents as children....BUT STILL illegal. They are shoved into a van packed with 30 others in the dead of night, driving through the desert with NO lights on, with a man hanging his head out of the window driving 90 miles an hour. They watch young girls be raped by the coyotes, some suffer from heat exhaustion, death, torture, robbery, they pass by the skeletons of otherwise healthy individuals who died crossing the desert. And what about the kids? the kids who are illegal and brought to the US when they are 12 yrs old and have no choice...but now they are grown and because they didn't stay in Mexico till they were 18 to get Identification, they basically do not exist? They are STUCK. They are now illegal in 2 countries. They didn't ask to come here. Now they just want to do the right thing, Be legal, work hard, have a family, obey the law, but how do they do that? can you tell me? this happened to my husband. He hardly speaks Spanish at all anymore, we are married, and have 1 child. I am a RN, and we live in a middle class neighborhood...YES we pay taxes...YES we pay for insurance. Where is the exception to the rule? what about these people who suffer. I am so sick of this debate..because its always the debate and opinion of people who have NEVER lived this....When you find someone who was given a care package, a comic and a pat on the back... Id like to meet them.

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but you didnt address the part about the comics and care package..../quote]

Sorry, here is a link providing not only a copy of the comic in question, but commentary:  I really, really, really wish it was sarcasm. Sometimes reality is even more sarcastic than I can make up.

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In December the Mexican government officially released a comic book that sanctions illegal aliens crossing our southern border. They claim it is to help migrant worker with the title The Guide for the Mexican Migrant, but upon viewing the comic book it shows illegal aliens crossing the Rio Grande, trapsing through Arizona,avoiding border patrol agents and instructs them on how to hide in American society so they aren't caught.
Source: http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000613.html

There is an on-line version of the comic book at the Mexican government website here. You can also download a copy of the comic book here(758K PDF file)

Again, sorry to hear your situation, however; "the only thing he can do to become legal is to go back over there and hope to get a visa", may not be possible, but it would be the same situation as everyone else desiring US citizenship.

Your situation was created by influences outside of your control and the control of your husbands, but ultimately before now, you both made additional decisions that placed you in the current condition. Just because I can't empathize doesn't mean I can't sympathize. Pragmatically, reality is harsh, but just like the comics it exists.

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Mahony asked all members of the Los Angeles Archdiocese to designate Wednesday as a special day of prayer and fasting for immigrants. The cardinal has in the past directed his parish to disobey any laws that would criminalize people who provide aid to illegal immigrants. Source: http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/2566446.html

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ORIGINAL: poweredup1
...(wait, shouldn't it have already happened??)...

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After the Senate Judiciary Committee approved and distributed a proposal for granting legal status to many undocumented aliens, conservatives were alarmed to discover that the 471-page bill makes illegal aliens eligible for in-state tuition costs. Under the proposal, illegals could pay the low tuition charged students who attend state universities in their home state, while legal residents of the U.S. would still be required to pay the much higher costs charged students who attend schools outside their state, the Washington Times reports. "This means that while American citizens from Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, Massachusetts have to pay out-of-state tuition rates if they send their kids to the University of Virginia or the University of Alabama, people who have illegally immigrated into the country do not," said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala.
 
"How much sense does that make, to have people here illegally and they have more benefits than those who are here legally?" Nine states allow illegal aliens to pay the in-state tuition rates, but the provision is under challenge in those states. If the new bill passes "the American taxpayers will be forced to pay for illegal aliens to replace their own children in the limited seats in college," said William Gheen of Americans for Legal Immigration. "Professional polls in North Carolina show over 81 percent opposition to in-state tuition for illegal aliens. "It is bad enough the Senate is proposing guest worker amnesty. Now they want us to pay college tuition for illegal aliens!" Source: http://www.alipac.us.

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

What I find interesting is that illegal imigration into the USA is a federal matter. Local police and even State Troopers are not allowed to arrest or even detain them untill imigration arrives. If an when an illegal imigrant is pulled over for speeding, the officer can only issue a ticket and can now tow the vehicle if it's not insured. Assuming that the person is an illegal imigrant is just speculation. A phone call can be made to imigration but that's the most that the officer can do.

I find it funny how often packages and ATM machines have forign language to read when so many of our illegal imigrants can't read. On the ATM machines, it always ask first which language I perfer before I continue with my transaction. Another second of time wasted on BS. The queston always read english. How is someone suppose to answer the question to begin with if the ATM machine always starts off in English? Even if you push the Espanol button, all that's left are numbers to push so what's the point?

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Someone help me with this please? Confusion is raining in my pragmatic brain.

If you are in the country illegally how can you openly and VERY publicly protest about the consequences of your illegal action becoming more serious? How can the police that are being paid by citizen's taxes, protect versus verify, and if here illegally, collect them and taking them back across the border?

The issue is the criminalization of illegal aliens and the employment thereof. Because this would seriously harm the lives of hardworking people and their families throughout the Americas, they protest. Its a sign of the USA's public health that you see a protest here, for if all those people were rounded up and sent to a GULUG, we'd be living in a semi-fascist police state. Illegal aliens working in the USA trying to support their families back home already live with enough anxiety and fear. Why would you want to compound their situation?

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ORIGINAL: kass3
It makes me feel sick how you speak about these 'illegal' people as if by merely being where they are they deserve to be punished. As if the only option in relation to this issue is locking them up or keeping them out. Have you wondered why they will risk all this to get into your country? If you don't want them in your country then be humane and help them stay in their own nation, offer aid, trade agreements, support their economy with your own much stronger one.

Your nation is supported in a large way by much poorer countries including those of South American, without them your food and other cheaply made product would be more expensive, your oportunites in life would be less accordingly.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone by making judgements of your nation that you probably feel are unjust  but I hope I showed you that equal judgements should be given about my own nation. It's easy to say...my nation, my home,  my priorities...but think about this your home is this planet and with that comes responcibilities to it and it's people... quality of life...it's imprtant to improve the quality of life of all people, not just those living within a political border.

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ORIGINAL: GreedyEvilBych

but you didnt address the part about the comics and care package....so I assume that you didnt actually believe that but that it was sarcasm...hopefully anyway. I hate Mexicos goverment if youd like to call it that...but we have spent thousands of dollars. traveled to Texas and Atlanta to the INS had meetings etc...and because he is a foreign national, the only thing he can do to become legal is to go back over there and hope to get a visa....which is NOT possible for our family. I absolutely do believe there should be stipulations for children who are here now and are left stuck more or less, I most certainly do believe there lifestyle and history should be taken into accomodation.... I do not support the ideas of those making it a felony, and althought impossible, it would be nice for those with such strong opinions to live it, have family who lives it, etc...because if they were in this same situation, I think the opinions would be different. I mean OF COURSE they would be lol. Have a great night everyone.

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Considered felons by the government, these migrants fear detention, rape and robbery. Police and soldiers hunt them down at railroads, bus stations and fleabag hotels. Sometimes they are deported; more often officers simply take their money.
The level of brutality Central American migrants face in Mexico was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail yard outside Mexico City shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant.
And while Mexicans denounce the criminalization of their citizens living without papers in the United States, Mexican law classifies undocumented immigration as a felony punishable by up to two years in prison, although deportation is more common.

Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEXICO_MISTREATING_MIGRANTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-04-18-18-08-31
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