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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:01:32 AM   
Jeffff


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Bullshit.



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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:02:47 AM   
LaTigresse


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As for why I have that opinion.........you are not giving the submissives and slaves NEARLY enough credit. We are talking about adult humans here......not geese.


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:09:28 AM   
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I didn't need your permission to have it.

As for why I have that opinion.........you are not giving the submissives and slaves NEARLY enough credit. We are talking about adult humans here......not geese.



in theory you may be correct, but in my experience and past observation, it usually doesnt work that way

as many submissives may be desperate for a relationship and rush into something

some so called dominants too, but most of the responcibility has to fall on the person that wants to be in control

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:10:58 AM   
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using fast reply....

What I think a LOT of people are missing about this whole topic is not that many of us said we WOULD order our slave to do so, only that we would expect them to follow the order IF indeed we ordered it.

If a slave chooses to belong to a master or mistress that would order something like this just for shits and giggles, they obviously chose wrong if they have a problem following the order.

If a woman is not going to take the time to get to know me, know my morals and values, and how those morals and values will affect my ownership of her, then she should not belong to be. This thread, to me, isn't about a specific act, it is about the dynamic between an M type and an s type in a total power exchange relationship. It is about really getting to know one another BEFORE becoming M and s. Not nitpicking a list of 'would you' after the fact.


This is what my original answer to this thread stated... I knew going in to a relationship years ago that he did not want a submissive that would be into public exhibitionism in front of unconsenting people.

KoM made a post a couple of years ago that stuck with me in regard to limits... he said that all relationships have limits, even those that claim not to, but the best relationships appear not to have any limits because those within them have such similar limits that it seems they have none at all... I hope I got his sentiment correct, because I could not find the exact post.

Boundaries in relationships are defined by both partners by their interactions with each other, and these are fluid. While I understand this, I also understood that the more compatible I am with my partner, the more chance of success the will be...


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:12:27 AM   
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I suspect that if OSF had meant "strip down to her underwear" he'd have said that. I think we're talking about stripping nekkid.


*giggles* Silly man, since when is osf that clear? Everything he writes is deliberately unclear.




actually.. this deliberately unclear is a new approach for him with this nic... his last nic... he tried to be more specific and well it didn't work out so well for him.... so.... he learned that it's better to be thought a fool than to be known as a fool! Hense... deliberately being unclear!

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:15:25 AM   
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I suspect that if OSF had meant "strip down to her underwear" he'd have said that. I think we're talking about stripping nekkid.


*giggles* Silly man, since when is osf that clear? Everything he writes is deliberately unclear.




actually.. this deliberately unclear is a new approach for him with this nic... his last nic... he tried to be more specific and well it didn't work out so well for him.... so.... he learned that it's better to be thought a fool than to be known as a fool! Hense... deliberately being unclear!


Well speak of the devil... I was just talking about you in the last post... hopefully I paraphrased you correctly and you can elaborate or correct my last post on this thread if I didn't


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:15:57 AM   
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Which is no doubt exactly what he was counting on. He surely must have known that this would happen, stupidity is not one of the things I would attribute to him.


Your right but it would be for those that get so worked up over him.
(Not you)



You wear smugness so well


Why thank you..Coming from someone like you it means the world.

Let me add this little morsel for thought..You look like you could use a meal.

usually..not in every case though..when a person points out something negative in another it's because it in some way mirrors what they dislike about themselves.




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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:19:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nonsense. People have to be responsible for their own actions

This attitude perpetuates the stupid submissive


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:21:19 AM   
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Nonsense. People have to be responsible for their own actions

This attitude perpetuates the stupid submissive



so you want unequal power but equal responsibility?

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:23:14 AM   
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Nonsense. People have to be responsible for their own actions

This attitude perpetuates the stupid submissive




The stupid, needy, desperate submissive... and if you ain't stupid, needy, and desperate you aren't a twue submissive, because we all know they are nothing but doormats... who else would be a submissive after all? I mean it doesn't pay well, it has horrible retirement benefits, and the hours suck


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:24:20 AM   
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Nonsense. People have to be responsible for their own actions

This attitude perpetuates the stupid submissive



I agree, completely...EXCEPT, that OSF qualified it with "...in my experience". So, maybe his experience had been with stupid submissives? If they are, indeed rushing into relationships with him, could be why he's formed the opinions he has. Now, it takes more than one person to rush into a relationship, but...not sure that's relevant at this point...lol....

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:32:10 AM   
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Nonsense. People have to be responsible for their own actions

This attitude perpetuates the stupid submissive



so you want unequal power but equal responsibility?


Actually, I can only speak for myself, and it's just one submissive's point of view. But, not only do I WANT that, I need it. I don't exist in a vacuum. I have responsibilities- kids, financial obligations, house, etc. Those are MY responsibilities. Might I share them with the right Dom? Of course, that's what a partnership is about. BUT, just because I surrender to Him in a power exchange relationship, it does not negate MY responsibilites. If anything, I suspect, many submissives have MORE responsibilities than their 'nilla counterparts, because they willingly take on responsibilities given them by their Partners. The average person has more leeway in what responsibilities are theirs.

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:32:37 AM   
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Nonsense. People have to be responsible for their own actions

This attitude perpetuates the stupid submissive



so you want unequal power but equal responsibility?


What the fuck does that even mean?

I live in a world where shit needs doing. I expect someone to make responsible decisions.

I don't live in the Castle Realm. I live in Chicago

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:38:29 AM   
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Nonsense. People have to be responsible for their own actions

This attitude perpetuates the stupid submissive




The stupid, needy, desperate submissive... and if you ain't stupid, needy, and desperate you aren't a twue submissive, because we all know they are nothing but doormats... who else would be a submissive after all? I mean it doesn't pay well, it has horrible retirement benefits, and the hours suck





I stand corrected I looked on all the chat boards and i couldn't fine one instance of a submissive bemoaning how she was let down by some so called dom

it would seem that all submissives are level headed and dont let their hormones get the better of them and positively cant be fooled by the many fakes haunting cm

how could i have been so naive?


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:47:00 AM   
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Nonsense. People have to be responsible for their own actions

This attitude perpetuates the stupid submissive




The stupid, needy, desperate submissive... and if you ain't stupid, needy, and desperate you aren't a twue submissive, because we all know they are nothing but doormats... who else would be a submissive after all? I mean it doesn't pay well, it has horrible retirement benefits, and the hours suck





I stand corrected I looked on all the chat boards and i couldn't fine one instance of a submissive bemoaning how she was let down by some so called dom

it would seem that all submissives are level headed and dont let their hormones get the better of them and positively cant be fooled by the many fakes haunting cm

how could i have been so naive?


And vanilla women are stupid about men too... your point?


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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:53:24 AM   
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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 7:54:34 AM   
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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 8:00:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		my point was about submissive women, not nilla women, not men nor geese

though miss cillie goos chose very well and is well taken care of, notice the grape

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 8:06:40 AM   
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my point was about submissive women, not nilla women, not men nor geese

though miss cillie goos chose very well and is well taken care of, notice the grape



An interesting concept

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RE: If you told your slave - 2/25/2010 8:06:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		osf are you purposely being obtuse or do you really, just not get it?

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