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RE: "African American"? - 2/22/2010 3:51:50 PM

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In context, it's strange that nobody else has mentioned that.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/22/2010 3:57:11 PM

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This came up in another prior thread.

The timing to bring it up again is not good- as some are very upset over the Compton Cookout.

Well yes PA, it was such a random and stupid post afterall and how dare you set up caring loving good liberal people by pointing that The Compton Cook-Out was run by a Jigaboo!

FDD it was run by a guy who calls himself Jigaboo Jones

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RE: "African American"? - 2/22/2010 3:59:33 PM

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That's nearly as exotic as me - I can't fucking stand the Caucasian bullshit either.

See... I don't understand...

If it's Caucasian bullshit, this labeling stuff....

How is it the Left in the United States get's all in a tizzy fit anytime one of the Lily White WASP Caucasian Republicans trys to get these labels removed from government forms, like say... The Census among others?

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RE: "African American"? - 2/22/2010 4:05:26 PM

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Coming from the rather small and insignifigant country of New Zealand, I was very confused by all these Americans that would blithely proclaim themselves "Irish" or "Swiss" or "African". For a while I thought they were all immigrants and had been in the country for a long time. I finally asked one why she did that, and she told me that it was a pride in ancestry thing.

Well - ok, but what is wrong with just being a kiwi or an American or a Brit? My family came from Ireland and England, and now i am in America and have a couple of Americans that have my genes. Does that make them Irishenglishnewzealand- American? That doesn't even address the fact that the Irish part of my ancestry were Picts. I'm happy to be a kiwi, and my kids are happy to be American/New Zealanders - depending on what country they are in, because they have dual citizenship.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/22/2010 4:06:32 PM

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This came up in another prior thread.

The timing to bring it up again is not good- as some are very upset over the Compton Cookout.

Well yes PA, it was such a random and stupid post afterall and how dare you set up caring loving good liberal people by pointing that The Compton Cook-Out was run by a Jigaboo!

FDD it was run by a guy who calls himself Jigaboo Jones

Well that doesn't make him a Bob, or a David or a Sally then does it?, I think if you were to ask Mr. Jones who he was, he would tell he is a Jiggaboo and proud of it.

On a serious note here... you DO realize that that's what Mr. Jones is going for right? That he is taking the faux concern of overt political correctness and faux victimhood and standing it on is ear, right? That he wants knee-jerk white liberals to feel uncomfortable and wants black people to see the foolishness worrying about who's be offened and what's is the motovation???

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RE: "African American"? - 2/22/2010 4:10:09 PM

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Well that doesn't make him a Bob, or a David or a Sally then does it?, I think if you were to ask Mr. Jones who he was, he would tell he is a Jiggaboo and proud of it.

On a serious note here... you DO realize that that's what Mr. Jones is going for right? That he is taking the faux concern od overt political correctness and faux victimhood and standing it on is ear, right?

Wellll now no it doesn't and yes I know that is his intent I am familiar with his website

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RE: "African American"? - 2/22/2010 4:12:49 PM

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See... I don't understand...

If it's Caucasian bullshit, this labeling stuff....

How is it the Left in the United States get's all in a tizzy fit anytime one of the Lily White WASP Caucasian Republicans trys to get these labels removed from government forms, like say... The Census among others?

You've missed the point: the term "caucasian" is derived from the caucasian hills in Africa. The point I made (which Kittin also mentioned) is that this is a regional term as well, just as much as African American. Nobody has their knickers in a twist over that one, though, with the possible exception of Peter Tosh (and anybody else who buys that whole Yakub story...)

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RE: "African American"? - 2/22/2010 4:31:13 PM

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See... I don't understand...

If it's Caucasian bullshit, this labeling stuff....

How is it the Left in the United States get's all in a tizzy fit anytime one of the Lily White WASP Caucasian Republicans trys to get these labels removed from government forms, like say... The Census among others?

You've missed the point: the term "caucasian" is derived from the caucasian hills in Africa. The point I made (which Kittin also mentioned) is that this is a regional term as well, just as much as African American. Nobody has their knickers in a twist over that one, though, with the possible exception of Peter Tosh (and anybody else who buys that whole Yakub story...)

How cool is that! I had no idea, thanks Moonhead

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RE: "African American"? - 2/22/2010 4:32:56 PM

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RE: "African American"? - 2/22/2010 4:35:52 PM

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FatDad's ancestors .

The one in the background looks like he could be Shrek's ancestor.....'cept he isn't green

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 2:39:40 AM

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When presented with a list of human 'types' on forms, I always tick 'other' for the reason that Caucasian does not fit neither does White and I am particularly interested why forms select almost every large region of the world where people come from, as if it is of so much importance, then add 'other' at the end as if it is no importance.

I understand selecting a 'type' of human might be useful for tailoring resources for certain communities, basically what is given as the reason for requesting 'type', but I believe why should one group or a few groups be selected for better service than other groups, surely all should receive the same as there is no difference in us apart from our current colour, place of birth and language.

But, I suspect this asking for ethnicity has racial segregation overtones, something from a less enlightened past and what does it matter what a person is as long as the bloody taxes are being paid. Having a selection of racial types at an authority's disposal can only lead to generalisation, the belittlement based on once common thought yet another thing from the dark past.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 3:57:16 AM

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Just a quick note the Caucasus Mountains are not in Africa but in Europe, they are generally deemed as the line between Europe and Asia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 5:06:01 AM

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I'm sure there must be African-Canadians

Yes, there are Afro-Canadians. Where I am however, I tend to meet a lot more Carribean-Canadians, Jamican-Canadians and in Montreal, an overwhelming majority of Haitian-Canadians.

Some call themselves black, or Noir. I tend to just call them people ;-)

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 5:09:25 AM

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Technically, if one was Canadian of African descent they would then also be African American, since Canada is part of the America's just as Brazil might be, though they are on the southern part of this continent.

Actually, it isn't quite so. Technically, yes, all the countries in North, South and Central America are part of the Americas and we are all technically Americans.

However, because US citizens have appropriated the American title so strongly, it has been taken away from the others. I'm not saying this in a snarky or bitter way, just very matter of factly.

If one says they are American, guaranteed the overwhelming majority will consider them being from the United States of America.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 5:26:59 AM

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Let's say you have a continent, let's say it is Africa. Each of the countries calls themselves by the countries name. We are Egyptians, Ghanians, Liberians blah blah blah. Say there is one country. This one country is called the United States of Africa. This country pumps it's ever-lovin fist in the air. "Proud to be an African, best damn country in the world. We are Africans."

There is a discrepancy most folks from that continent can see but the USof Africa on the whole does not. They consider themselves to be the true Africans, the only Africans, the only ones to hold the title.

Uh, I dont think so.

South Central North America--all America.

As far as blacks with African roots here in Canada, (the land of no black people yeah right) consider the Underground Railroad. Then in later years consider the Foreign Exchange Student for example, we have hosts and hosts of people directly from Africa. They find love here, get married have wee ones...

Ethnocentricity is what it is and in some cases it is just that someone looking at their navel and thinking they are the epicenter of it all in many more ways than they ever really are.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 5:27:08 AM

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I mean, are we to believe there is something insulting about just being "African", that we have to add "American" to make it acceptable?

We are one of the of the few places that does this... and it is not as if we are ashamed of our roots that we do it, it is actually a statement of pride in them...

I'd agree with you if "Black" was also available as a choice. But offering "African American" exclusively isn't a statement of pride, it's a statement of coercion. So what that Desmond Tutu is a South African national hero - we require him to call himself AMERICAN? So what that Naomi Campbell is a British citizen - she still is required to call herself AMERICAN?

And what about those American black people who decide that they want to identify as just Americans? I don't go around calling myself Polish American or Czech American all the time (in fact, I find it insulting when people do it - I chose to become an American for a reason).

If a black American citizen wants to refer to himself as African American - more power to him. But mandating it even for non-Americans is really quite offensive for all parties involved.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 6:28:03 AM

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I'm an Irish German Dutch French English American. I think that's all of them.

I'm an Anglo-Saxon-Irish Hispanic (my great-grandmother was Spanish).

So why are you happy with the profile insisting that you come from the Caucasian hills in Africa? Isn't that as much of an issue as the whole African American thing?

The Caucasus mountains form the northern edge of the Georgian Republic, to the east of the Black Sea.

I've no objection to the generic term as it applies to all light-skinned people of European descent.

"African-American" does not apply to all dark skinned people of African descent ... it only applies to dark-skinned Americans of African descent.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 6:33:05 AM

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Coming from the rather small and insignifigant country of New Zealand, I was very confused by all these Americans that would blithely proclaim themselves "Irish" or "Swiss" or "African". For a while I thought they were all immigrants and had been in the country for a long time. I finally asked one why she did that, and she told me that it was a pride in ancestry thing.

Well - ok, but what is wrong with just being a kiwi or an American or a Brit? My family came from Ireland and England, and now i am in America and have a couple of Americans that have my genes. Does that make them Irishenglishnewzealand- American? That doesn't even address the fact that the Irish part of my ancestry were Picts. I'm happy to be a kiwi, and my kids are happy to be American/New Zealanders - depending on what country they are in, because they have dual citizenship.

It is part of the American 'melting pot' paradigm: doesn't matter where you come from, you're an American.

So to show pride in one's heritage, people started creating hyphenated designations: African-American for one.

However, a lot of us are not American, nor do we subscribe to the melting pot paradigm.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 6:52:03 AM

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Congratulations Bob!

Because if you I now hate the word paradigm.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 6:53:45 AM

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