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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 2:51:02 PM   
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I will ask you again, what form are you speaking of? Where is this form? You are talking a hypothetical than I am not going to address this... get freaking specific.. WHAT FORM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.


This would be the second time in this thread I've directed your attention to the OP.


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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 2:55:26 PM   
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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 4:00:34 PM   
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Who would howl the loudest if the United States of America eliminated ALL racial identifiers on government forms including the Census?

Seriously...

If a Bill was entered into Congress tomorrow to end all racial check boxes, on welfare forms, on employment forms, school applications... everything with the possibility of private medical records, which groups would work the hardest and employee the most special interest money and lobbyists to defeat said Bill?

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 4:08:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I will ask you again, what form are you speaking of? Where is this form? You are talking a hypothetical than I am not going to address this... get freaking specific.. WHAT FORM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.


This would be the second time in this thread I've directed your attention to the OP.



Your OP doesnt address the question, that wont change no matter how often you direct peoples attention to it. A specific form, showing just the two choices you are suggesting would be helpful.


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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 4:15:58 PM   
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I was born in New Zealand, so technically I am a pacific islander. What most people want to know with forms that ask ethnicity is if I am a polynesian - so why don't they have a little box that asks "polynesian"?

And the forms that i have filled out in the last year that wanted ethnisity were customs and immigration, and college aid forms.


Well it might be important to know some of these things if you spoke English as a second language when applying to college. It might help you get scholarships from donors to specific scholarship programs.. for example I have gotten one because I was a single mother, that was one of those questions I filled out in my college aid forms.. .I got money for it from a private donor that wanted to give scholarships to single parents.

I would agree that it is not always a good question to ask, but take the question on a case by case basis, instead of blanket assertions that these questions are somehow wrong. For example, in order to serve a community well it might be important to know how many people speak certain languages, how they identify in regard to religion, etc. No one can force you to answer these questions... you can leave them blank.



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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 4:17:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I will ask you again, what form are you speaking of? Where is this form? You are talking a hypothetical than I am not going to address this... get freaking specific.. WHAT FORM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.


This would be the second time in this thread I've directed your attention to the OP.




I have read it three times, you mention the Negro College Fund, is that what you are talking about?

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 4:25:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BLoved

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I will ask you again, what form are you speaking of? Where is this form? You are talking a hypothetical than I am not going to address this... get freaking specific.. WHAT FORM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.


This would be the second time in this thread I've directed your attention to the OP.



Your OP doesnt address the question, that wont change no matter how often you direct peoples attention to it. A specific form, showing just the two choices you are suggesting would be helpful.




Thanks for showing me that my reading comprehension wasn't as poor as I was beginning to think it was... I read it several times and I couldn't see what he is specifically talking about

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 4:27:05 PM   
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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 4:28:01 PM   
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Your welcome Julia, although I am English I find it hard to believe official forms in America only have two choices.


That depends on where you are and what you are doing...

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 4:32:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know what other form would matter than what is listed here on CM. Census forms may have choices but at this point I have not recieved one so I don't know. When I last went to college, appropriate choices were listed, I generally choose Mixed.

My choices when I joined were:

  • Caucasian
    Asian
    Hispanic
    Indian
    Middle Eastern
    Native American
    African American
    Mixed





Note the above choice of African American which is the one at odds.. Once again it disregards that some African's who may be on CM may never have set foot in America. Same thing for people of African descent who were born and always resided in any other country.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 4:43:29 PM   
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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 6:05:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Maybe he was talking about CM, he never said


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I'm curious ...

When did everyone of African ancestry become an "American"?

When selecting "Ethnicity" here, a person of African ancestry must select either "African American" or "Other".



If you look at the "Edit Profile" page of your profile you will see at the top several "Required Fields".

One of those is "Ethnicity".

< Message edited by BLoved -- 2/23/2010 6:06:12 PM >

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 6:22:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Maybe he was talking about CM, he never said


From the OP:
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I'm curious ...

When did everyone of African ancestry become an "American"?

When selecting "Ethnicity" here, a person of African ancestry must select either "African American" or "Other".



If you look at the "Edit Profile" page of your profile you will see at the top several "Required Fields".

One of those is "Ethnicity".


So when a person is required to check what ethnicity they are...when does it become moot point if a person is of mixed heritage yet is a second, third or sixth generation American or Canadian?

So if a person is part French, part Irish, part Ukrainian, part Native and is 5th generation Canadian, wouldn't it be redundant to obsess about the specifics of their ethnicity when checking off Caucasian would suffice? I mean this person could by some definition check off European yet that would be misleading as most would automatically assume that person wasn't born in Canada or the US.

Being politically correct is fine, it's when it becomes too redundant that it becomes idiotic and quite asinine.


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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 6:34:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BLoved
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Maybe he was talking about CM, he never said

From the OP:
quote:


I'm curious ...

When did everyone of African ancestry become an "American"?

When selecting "Ethnicity" here, a person of African ancestry must select either "African American" or "Other".

If you look at the "Edit Profile" page of your profile you will see at the top several "Required Fields".

One of those is "Ethnicity".

So when a person is required to check what ethnicity they are...when does it become moot point if a person is of mixed heritage yet is a second, third or sixth generation American or Canadian?

So if a person is part French, part Irish, part Ukrainian, part Native and is 5th generation Canadian, wouldn't it be redundant to obsess about the specifics of their ethnicity when checking off Caucasian would suffice? I mean this person could by some definition check off European yet that would be misleading as most would automatically assume that person wasn't born in Canada or the US.

Being politically correct is fine, it's when it becomes too redundant that it becomes idiotic and quite asinine.


Bear, not everyone of African ancestry is American. So why must they all select "African American"?

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 6:52:43 PM   
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I'm curious ...

When did everyone of African ancestry become an "American"?


Because thats the way it is!
There's American.....and everybody else is "other"

Because America is NUMBER ONE, buddy! An' anybody who doesn't like it can STFU!

WOOOOO!!!

U-S-A!! U-S-A!!!!

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 7:07:24 PM   
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I'm curious ...

When did everyone of African ancestry become an "American"?

Because thats the way it is!
There's American.....and everybody else is "other"

Because America is NUMBER ONE, buddy! An' anybody who doesn't like it can STFU!

WOOOOO!!!

U-S-A!! U-S-A!!!!


And they say there are no honest Americans ...

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 7:53:27 PM   
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Obviously, the checklist was assembled by an American thinking of other Americans, meaning to respectfully refer to various ethnicities, not nationalities.

An error for a multi-nation site? Sure. A philosophical conundrum? An ethnocentric slam?

Only if you set the bar really, really, fucking really really low.

How about if they put at the top "If you live or moved to the U.S., you would be _____________."


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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 8:00:57 PM   
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Your welcome Julia, although I am English I find it hard to believe official forms in America only have two choices.


The thing is...

They should not have ANY choices.

Why should race matter?

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 8:08:10 PM   
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For me, it doesn't. For a lot of others, however, it definitely does (generally people preferring their own race).

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 8:10:53 PM   
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