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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 8:37:57 PM   
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Canada is a multi-cultural society that takes pride in its diversity. We don't expect people to divest themselves of their cultural heritage. We encourage them to celebrate it.


For what it's worth, Canada is considered a Cultural Mosaic.

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_mosaic

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Edited because I was advised that the link was broken and apparently now will not work! Copy paste folks ;-)

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 8:45:48 PM   
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And I will say that the people on the other side of the border.. DO say they are American. You are not quite correct in that the USA has claimed title to the continent, people I know from North and South America sometimes say American.. it is more likely that people from the USA would dismiss it, not the other countries.


We have had significantly different experiences. I don't usually quote Wikipedia as fact, but I will quote it now as it does somehow reflect a certain concensus amongst the populace:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_U.S._citizens

Different languages use different terms for citizens of the United States, who are known in English as Americans. All forms of English refer to these people as "Americans", derived from "The United States of America", but there is some linguistic ambiguity over this due to the other senses of the word American, which can also refer to people from the Americas in general. Many other languages use cognates of "American" to refer to people from the United States, but others, particularly Spanish, primarily use terms derived from "United States". There are various other local and colloquial names for Americans.

The adjective "American" originally referred to the landmass known as the Americas or America. "Americans" originally referred to the indigenous peoples of the Americas, and later to European settlers and their descendants. English use of the term "American" for people of European descent dates to the 17th century; the earliest recorded appearance is in Thomas Gage's The English-American: A New Survey of the West Indies in 1648. "American" especially applied to people in British America, and thus its use as a demonym for the United States derives by extension.

International speakers of English refer to people from the United States as "Americans", while cognates of "American" are used in many other languages. French, German, Dutch, Italian, Japanese, Chinese, Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian speakers use cognates of American (Japanese: アメリカ人 roma-ji: amerika-jin), (Russian: американец, американка), (Mandarin Chinese: pinyin- měiguórén, traditional- 美國人, simplified- 美国人) to refer to U.S. citizens. Spanish and Portuguese, however, chiefly use terms derived from Estados Unidos, the cognate of "United States" – estadounidense and estadunidense, respectively. The same linguistic ambiguity that occurs in English use of the term "American" occurs in the other European languages: to compensate for this, French (predominantly Quebec French) and Italian speakers may refer to U.S. citizens respectively as états-unien and statunitense, though this is less common, and German speakers may distinguish an Amerikaner as a US-Amerikaner. This confusion is also present in Portuguese, as people from the United States may alternatively be referred to as americanos in that language. However, in Spanish, americano chiefly refers to all people from the Western Hemisphere, and using it in the United States sense may be considered offensive; the Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas de la Real Academia Española advises against using it in this sense.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 9:01:28 PM   
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Canada is a multi-cultural society that takes pride in its diversity. We don't expect people to divest themselves of their cultural heritage. We encourage them to celebrate it.


Explain that to the Québécois.


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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 9:14:57 PM   
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Canada is a multi-cultural society that takes pride in its diversity. We don't expect people to divest themselves of their cultural heritage. We encourage them to celebrate it.


Explain that to the Québécois.




Je suis Québécoise. I addressed this in post 101.

Oh my... the irony! Post 101. ;-)

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 9:27:54 PM   
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Bear, not everyone of African ancestry is American. So why must they all select "African American"?


I wish they had a "Nigerian Scammer" listed




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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 9:33:59 PM   
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Bear, not everyone of African ancestry is American. So why must they all select "African American"?


I wish they had a "Nigerian Scammer" listed



I wish people stopped stereotyping Nigerians. I have awesome Nigerian friends and business associates.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 9:38:18 PM   
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Canada is a multi-cultural society that takes pride in its diversity. We don't expect people to divest themselves of their cultural heritage. We encourage them to celebrate it.


Explain that to the Québécois.



Je suis Québécoise. I addressed this in post 101.



You really didn't.

Or perhaps Meech Lake was just a language seminar.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 9:43:48 PM   
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Canada is a multi-cultural society that takes pride in its diversity. We don't expect people to divest themselves of their cultural heritage. We encourage them to celebrate it.


Explain that to the Québécois.



Je suis Québécoise. I addressed this in post 101.



You really didn't.

Or perhaps Meech Lake was just a language seminar.



Well I did indirectly. What I'm saying is that many of us Québécois actually believe Canada is a Cultural Mosaic. Not all of us are seperatists. Surely Zeph has related this to you. Besides, as of last week, apparently the seperatist movement is a lost cause ;-)

- LA

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 10:03:52 PM   
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My point is that as stated by wiki below..

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However, in Spanish, americano chiefly refers to all people from the Western Hemisphere, and using it in the United States sense may be considered offensive; the Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas de la Real Academia Española advises against using it in this sense.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 10:03:59 PM   
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I skimmed through this thread and perhaps I missed it, but the biggest issues is that Africa is not a COUNTRY, it is a continent. It contains many countries, all which go unrecognized. Some have mentioned that everyone in North, South and Central America (central by the way doesn't technically exist, only North and South as continents) could theoretically be termed as "Americans." We do on occassion hear the term "Asian American" with some regularity, but really it is only the term "African American" that is deemed the "politically correct" way to refer to everyone who is black. Why not "Kenyan American" just like we have "Italian American?" If I were to comment that if you are so "proud" of your heritage, you should be specific, most would say how they can't be because they were dragged over here on slave boats against their will and don't know exactly where they came from. Honestly, if your family has been here for that long, while your ethnicity might not be originally "American," the majority of you is. It is also important to note that while the whole "roots" story is always wonderful to tell, the reality is that while some slaves were "hunted" and imprisoned, the majority were already slaves in their tribe and traded by their tribal leaders for goods. But that really doesn't sound quite as dramatic, so it is rarely told. Now I am not saying that kind of slavery was or ever will be something that should have happened, but the constant concept that the all slaves brought over from Africa were living free is just simply not true. I believe that it was an abomination, both in the United States and anywhere else that it has and does occur. But I also don't think that making it out to be something it isn't is right either.

Personally, I don't care how politically correct the US feels the term "African American" is, I won't use it.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/23/2010 10:31:20 PM   
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Bear, not everyone of African ancestry is American. So why must they all select "African American"?


I wish they had a "Nigerian Scammer" listed



I wish people stopped stereotyping Nigerians. I have awesome Nigerian friends and business associates.

- LA




I absolutely agree.. which is why I stay away from those threads


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RE: "African American"? - 2/24/2010 3:01:43 AM   
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Besides, as of last week, apparently the seperatist movement is a lost cause ;-)


We actually haven't really discussed it. Besides it's been a lost cause for a very long time now, they just wouldn't admit it.


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RE: "African American"? - 2/24/2010 3:23:46 AM   
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It is furthermore discriminatory to call someone African American when one can not choose European American, Asian American and so on. I already mentioned this in another thread when a user called the term a perfect solution, saying black and negro are wrong.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/24/2010 3:34:22 AM   
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I'm curious ...

When did everyone of African ancestry become an "American"?


Because thats the way it is!
There's American.....and everybody else is "other"

Because America is NUMBER ONE, buddy! An' anybody who doesn't like it can STFU!

WOOOOO!!!

U-S-A!! U-S-A!!!!


You wont find an English American either. The correct term is colonial cousins.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/24/2010 3:34:49 AM   
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For the whole thread. GOOD LORD!!!! It's really not that important.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/24/2010 3:37:24 AM   
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Your welcome Julia, although I am English I find it hard to believe official forms in America only have two choices.


The thing is...

They should not have ANY choices.

Why should race matter?


No choices ? I thought you were all for the land of the free ? 

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RE: "African American"? - 2/24/2010 3:49:49 AM   
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Looking at this thread from the Forum listing page, I notice the number of hits this topic has received and how many pages it has run to, so it says as always when topics relating to race comes up, people are very interested for right or wrong reasons.

This to me indicates race is still a problem in our society far beyond our past, we have not really moved on that much at all, which is really sad and quite frankly irrelevant as people are people no matter where they hail from or even where their ancestry comes from, as it is the now that matters, not the past.

Whatever the reasons stated for ethnicity tick boxes to be included on official documentation, it is in fact keeping the thought of race and racism very much alive and by participating in this we are responding to another's desire to know the differences between us. You have to ask, who is it that wants to know and for what reason, what is the true purpose of this knowledge and how can it be misused.

So, if you like me are fed up with all this racial categorising, if there is an option to tick other , do so as it removes your input to other's desire to categorise between the obvious and polticaly sensitive racial groups. Hopefully in time if more people did this on official forms or not, the information to how many of this that or the other make up an area will be lost to those that wish to collect this kind of information for whatever means.

Also when governmental bodies state that they need this information to appropriate funding to various areas, ever notice that when something is deployed from governmental level, it falls far short of what is needed, or is just completely wrong, this just shows that mass manipulation of people is flawed and possibly exasperates tensions that are there and possibly creates more where there was none before. People are far better dealt with on a local level as people, not categories, rid information that leads to categorisation and maybe we might move in a direction that will quell this old negativity that is racism and where it rears it's ugly head.


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RE: "African American"? - 2/24/2010 4:25:57 AM   
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My point is that as stated by wiki below..

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However, in Spanish, americano chiefly refers to all people from the Western Hemisphere, and using it in the United States sense may be considered offensive; the Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas de la Real Academia Española advises against using it in this sense.



Ok. So there is an exception to the world population considering American = US Citizens. I learn something new everyday. :-)

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RE: "African American"? - 2/24/2010 4:50:00 AM   
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I don't know what other form would matter than what is listed here on CM. Census forms may have choices but at this point I have not recieved one so I don't know. When I last went to college, appropriate choices were listed, I generally choose Mixed.

My choices when I joined were:
  • Caucasian
    Asian
    Hispanic
    Indian
    Middle Eastern
    Native American
    African American
    Mixed



Note the above choice of African American which is the one at odds.. Once again it disregards that some African's who may be on CM may never have set foot in America. Same thing for people of African descent who were born and always resided in any other country.



The other which is at odds is Middle Eastern. For example, Iranians are Middle Eastern and Caucasian. Did they mean Arabic?

Anyhow, the list of ethnic groups is huge!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups#By_alphabet

Seeing as I have dual citizenship, I identify to 2 of those ethnic groups. So it isn't all cut and dry.

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RE: "African American"? - 2/24/2010 5:09:41 AM   
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Canada is a multi-cultural society that takes pride in its diversity. We don't expect people to divest themselves of their cultural heritage. We encourage them to celebrate it.


Explain that to the Québécois.


The seperatistes are a minority within Quebec as well as Canada.

Note they have yet to get a majority on any of the referendums that have been held.

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