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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 3:13:42 PM   
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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 3:15:05 PM   
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I will never be monogamous.  Ever.  I'm as hard-wired for polyamory as I am for bisexuality and dominance.  Would you ever switch and play the submissive role if you found an otherwise perfect man who was dominant?  If you answer no, then you'll understand why I would never be monogamous.  I've tried it and hated it.  It was icky and wrong.  Never again.  I know most people are conditioned by society to believe monogamy is the "twue" way.  I just laugh and leave them to their narrow scope of reallity.  Some have even convinced themselves they're wired for monogamy.  From a biological standpoint, this is highly questionable, but if it makes them happy then it's all good.  It doesn't change anything for me.
 
My relationship with my husband is as intimate as any monogamous partnership.  Probably more so, because the fact is polyamory actually requires more and better communication and greater dedication to make it work, resulting in more intimacy than most monogamous couples ever dream of.  My husband is as close to perfect as I could ever want.  That doesn't mean we don't want to include other partners.  I'm polyamorous because monogamy is unnaturally restrictive.  I don't want to place limitations on how a relationship develops.  If I care for someone, I want to express that intimacy in any way that feels natural.  It may or may not be sexual, because love isn't all about sex.  Polyamory gives me the option to form close, intimate bonds with as many people as I choose.  I will never shackle my heart in the non-consensual slavery of monogamy.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 3:18:10 PM   
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I would not be able to for a very pragmatic reason. As I age My disabilities will intensify. Two slaves will permit each to have 'time off' from the intensive care routine and thus preventing care-keeper burn out. I expect to have some sex for many years t come.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 3:24:17 PM   
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quote:

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I will never be monogamous.  Ever.  I'm as hard-wired for polyamory as I am for bisexuality and dominance.  Would you ever switch and play the submissive role if you found an otherwise perfect man who was dominant?  If you answer no, then you'll understand why I would never be monogamous.  I've tried it and hated it.

I don't even have to ask myself that question to understand that some people are hard wired poly.

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  It was icky and wrong.  Never again.

Wrong for you.

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I know most people are conditioned by society to believe monogamy is the "twue" way.  I just laugh and leave them to their narrow scope of reallity.  Some have even convinced themselves they're wired for monogamy.  From a biological standpoint, this is highly questionable, but if it makes them happy then it's all good.  It doesn't change anything for me.


I actually never said monogamy was the true way. I truly wish people read the OP and understood its spirit before feeling attacked and in turn launching a totally unecessary counter attack. The OP asked a hypothetical question which addressed a potentially small pool of individuals.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 3:40:54 PM   
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I actually never said monogamy was the true way. I truly wish people read the OP and understood its spirit before feeling attacked and in turn launching a totally unecessary counter attack. The OP asked a hypothetical question which addressed a potentially small pool of individuals.

- LA


I'm not saying you're saying that.  I said I know most people think that.  All one needs to do is look at the anti-bigamy laws and the plethora of couple-centric media to know that, but I've also done a fair amount of research on the topic as part of my academic studies.  If the pro-monogamy bias doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't.  It's hardly a counter attack to post my opinion of the poly/mono question when that's exactly what you asked for.  You asked if we found someone who fulfilled our needs, would we be poly?  I've answered your question.
 
I wish you'd read and understand too.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 3:52:50 PM   
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Thank you for taking the time to explain further. I better understand where you are coming from now.

And yes you did answer my question and I acknowledged that you did.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 5:04:23 PM   
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In a word, yes.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 5:33:59 PM   
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If your husband were "monogamous to the core" you would not be seeing or interacting with anyone else. The person who allows you to see others is exercising core poly skills and attitudes.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 5:45:33 PM   
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quote:

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When I got married, I was pretty much set that this man was going to be the permanent person to satisfy ALL of my needs, including S&M; however, I knew that this was unrealistic. There's a part of me that craves the newness of new surrender and the unpredictability of a man suffering for my pleasure. I crave those things wholly independently of my desires for sexual satisfaction or emotional intimacy. It's not an either/or thing. I need and desire both. I want harmony in my relationship with my husband, I want my sexual needs met by him. But I want to be able to exercise my predatory "lust" when it hits, and I want to be able to indulge in outside encounters with other submissive/kinky men.


That makes sense to me. I have that predator inside me as well. One of my biggest fears actually is even if I found the perfect submissive partner that this urge would come up.  Let's say it is a pretty deep preoccupation for me.

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I get monogamy; I honestly can't say how I would feel if my husband wanted to see other women for "fun."


Well there you go. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? I mean unless one's man is being cuckolded.

In all honesty, I ask these questions because in talking with potential partners, in figuring out where I want to go, these are things that come up in my mind quite often.

Yes, I have a tendancy to over think things. That is because I am an analyst and strategist. I thank those who answered me in the spirit of helping me understand. I look forward to more responses :-)

- LA





Since we were separated at birth based on many of the other posts and threads, I can only offer the suggestion that you keep an open mind as your relationships evolve and develop.

With him (my husband) being monogamous and me being "poly," essentially, the point "what's good for the goose is good for the gander," is a tricky one. I honestly don't know how I would feel if he wanted to have other partners. But at the same time, it's part of his "submissive" (if you want to call it that) wiring, his sense of sacrifice for my pleasure (at all costs), his total devotion as a man in a marriage that makes him "marriage material" to me. He doesn't have any interest in other women. Even when offered that as an idea of a way we could explore it.  And it's not a cuckold or humiliation thing. He's ok with me having outside partners as long as the relationship fit criteria we've agreed to as a couple. Is he happy about that? Not really. He's happy seeing me happy, though, so to him, it's for the greater good.  In a relationship sense, he endures the things that make me happy, despite it being hard for him; it's the same reason he endures any number of S&m things for me.

Going back to the predatory lust thing, again.  That's really the rub.  As amazing as a longterm partner can be in fulfilling ALL my kinky needs (because he knows more better than anyone), the one thing he can't deliver is authentic uncertainty. He's seen just about all my tricks.  I would consider bring a second femdom into the mix to change the dynamic so I can see that uncertainty, but it goes back to his core principles: he won't submit to anyone but me, and he won't be physically intimate or even flirt with another woman.  Since he can't offer me that, he understands my need to exercise my kinky urges now and then with "new victims."   He just doesn't want me to fall in love with any of them, and he doesn't want me to be in danger. As long as those two things are protected, he's ok with it.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 5:55:36 PM   
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I really appreciate your perspective again Akasha.

I guess I can work all of this over and over again in my mind but will ultimately have to figure all of this out when I decide to make a commitment with someone.

Your additions, as others, have been very helpful.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 6:14:12 PM   
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I really appreciate your perspective again Akasha.

I guess I can work all of this over and over again in my mind but will ultimately have to figure all of this out when I decide to make a commitment with someone.

Your additions, as others, have been very helpful.

- LA



If all else fails, we can start a bdsm video production company and film pretty boys and hot men in bondage all day long.  Then it'd just be "work" capturing those images of authentic desperation and vulnerability. Then we'll relax in our box seats at the hockey games (in both Anaheim AND Montreal)!

(btw, maybe we can have Price in our 'net')


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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 6:43:42 PM   
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Deal!! ;-)

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 2/28/2010 11:51:29 PM   
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My question is then, is one of the reasons why you are open to poly because you cannot find all of what you are looking for in one man?

I am going to change this to "one person" instead of "one man". My attraction to someone is based more on intelligence, sense of humor and shared ideals than gender or an expected set of characteristics. And loving, liking or finding one person attractive does not mean that other persons will not also appeal or interest me.


If you could, would you stop being poly?

My nature is poly, circumstances however may change since life can change very unexpectedly and rapidly.



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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 3/1/2010 5:02:07 AM   
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In a word, yes.


Somehow I missed this yesterday. You didn't elaborate, and I wish you would have. :-)

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 3/1/2010 9:13:14 AM   
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My question is then, is one of the reasons why you are open to poly because you cannot find all of what you are looking for in one man? If you could, would you stop being poly?


One of the reasons, perhaps, though I certainly have had partners who could give me enough of what I was looking for that I would have been fine being exclusive with them.  But there are many other reasons and benefits to poly.  Variety is only one of them.  Though that's a nice benefit to be sure.

For me personally, I think it is healthier not to put all of my emotional eggs in one basket, and for my primary partner to do the same.  Neither of us are very social people, and we don't tend to maintain a lot of friendships beyond a very casual level outside a relationship.   The fact that we can both have an emotional support system that doesn't rely 100% on each other is a very good thing for us. 

Also, there's tangible benefits to an extended family that can be there for you when you need it, either in a real emergency or a minor crisis where you need some kind of logistical support.  It made me smile when I was able to give one of my secondary's partners a detailed rundown on the restaurants and hotels of the area she was traveling to, as I was home with Internet access while she and he were visiting another state.  When I travel with my primary, I have reliable pet sitting and house sitting.  These are little things perhaps, but they matter.  I don't have any actual family in this state, nor close friends.  So for me, my extended poly family is a crucial support network.  In our situation, we don't have or want kids, and at this time we maintain separate residences and finances.  But if we did, the benefits of a multiple parent and/or multiple income household should be fairly obvious. 

With the good of poly also comes potential bad.  Poly is exponentially more work, with more need for trust, honesty, communication and intimacy, not to mention regular discussion/negotiation that involves more than one person's time and energy and convenience and emotional needs.  It can be a lot like herding cats.  When it goes wrong, it can go wrong explosively.  And when one person's unhappy, generally everyone's unhappy because of the ripple effect.  So poly can suck when it goes bad, but the end result of a communication breakdown or expectations mismatch aren't any different in poly than in mono. It just sucks for more people. 

On the upside, if you're doing poly in the first place, you should have at least a pretty good set of entry level skills in clear communication and negotiation of boundaries and needs, so it's reasonably likely that a poly person is better equipped to work through a communications breakdown than someone who is "running on default rules" for a relationship and has never clearly stated their expectations or has no experience negotiating rules and boundaries.  That would also be true of most people with experience in negotiating BDSM relationships.

Would I stop being poly if I could?  I'd really rather not.  I've been willing to do that in the past, and I might be willing again in the future, depending on the circumstance.  One thing I would have a very hard time doing is ending a relationship that I'd already started, so I'm very, very careful to spend a lot of time talking to the primary before adding anyone in the first place.  Currently I have a primary and a secondary, though the secondary designation is more about his not living in the household than the status of the relationship per se.  I am primary to both of them; the secondary has no other partners at the moment.  I have another secondary partner of very long duration (10+ years) whom I am not currently intimate with, as he has a monogamous primary who decided after some experimentation that she would prefer not to share.  We're still "family" in every way that matters though. 

I might conceivably agree to stop having PIV sex with anyone but my primary, but if I was asked to entirely drop the network of family and BDSM relationships that matter to me, I would not be willing to do that, and I would consider it an unreasonable and unhealthy request.


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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 3/1/2010 4:15:51 PM   
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LNT - Thanks for sharing. I do understand that network you call the family as well as it's importance. I have friends who I consider closer to me than my family actually. I mean I love my parents and brother dearly but they do not live in my city or share my daily life with me. My network here does. Some are ex-lovers or partners with whom I've become friends. Others have always been and will always be platonic. There is a handful, about 5, who I could go to with any crisis and never be judged. And same for them with me.

I guess those bonds are so strong to me, but they aren't necessarily sexual, though as I mentioned, some were sexual at certain times. I think of my friend who lives a few doors down with her son. She was my submissive lover and I would say that now our friendship is Domme/sub (if that makes any sense) though we haven't been involved for a few years now. Her and her son will always remain top priorities in my life. In fact, the last time I moved was to have an appartment closer to them.

These things are not simple, that's for sure.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 3/1/2010 5:19:08 PM   
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I've got enough with my husband/slave. But I got his permission to involve others (relation or not) before accepting him as my slave. For me, it's part of my freedom. I never needed this, but it's nice to know it's available.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 3/1/2010 5:51:07 PM   
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Lady Angelika, and all of the other Ladies who have responded …

Read the two recent posts by Lady Angelika on "Ask the Mistress", and i thought the questions She posed are not unique to Women. <smiles> Seems a lot of the thoughts Lady A is discussing, are quite similar to things i have hashed over in my brain before.

One thought mentioned in the first post, “Female Led Relationships: How does Your D/s relationship manifest its self” ...

... about men trusting one Lady, and holding Her in high enough esteem to be submissive, is spot on. Lady Angelika nailed it!

i have always been quite independent, and professionally have held significant leadership positions. So i really filter immediately to see if there is any basis for trust and esteem. i know i can submit, and have in the past, when i am confident i have high esteem for, and trust in, the Lady. i also know it is not going to work if that is not there. And i mean in everyday life, not sexually; because i do not surrender decision making easily.

Yet i have also found, there are not all that many single Ladies out there that can inspire trust and esteem in me. <smiles>

Another big thing that periodically concerns me, the type of Lady i seek, is also <likely> a natural predator. i do have a deep seated fear of all that could imply, to a long term relationship. And my fear is based on real life experience.

So while intellectually i understand all of the polyamorous discussion. i have come to the conclusion that this is something one can't even ponder, until a real life relationship exists, and it is becoming a close knit one.

Again, i believe, this was one of Lady Angelika’s thoughts. To which i will add, if my esteem and trust for a Lady is well placed ... and the desire for polyamory was in Her. i would go along. i have before. But then, i also know i need a lot more attention and communication! :-) Because the polyamory would be very one sided; as intimacy is very important to me. And I cannot cope with more than one Lady at a time, intimately.

Thought i would share this today, because You might wish to know, some men think about this stuff too! Yet, i feel, Lady Angelika’s post is more in touch with what some men might be thinking, then it appears.


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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 3/1/2010 6:05:56 PM   
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Well, I'm amazed at the responses in this thread. Me, I can't handle more than one woman at a time. The emotional energy it takes is too exhausting. One woman, alone, is enough to wrench my heart this way and that. I'd spend a weekend with my last then, come the Monday, develop an overwhelming urge to be sat in a cafe doing my favourite crossword. When it gets seriously heavy I want to get up into the mountains with my tent, utterly on my own. Do dommes boil the emotional centres of their menfolk any less than vanilla women? I don't know. I've yet to find out. But I doubt it.

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RE: Would you be monogamous with the all-in-one submiss... - 3/1/2010 6:56:28 PM   
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This may sound strange, but I'm not a real fan of monogamy at all. If I was involved with a woman, I wouldn't ever feel the need to hold her to some requirement that she has to be limited to just me. That's never been my belief. However, I'm not the sort that would be seeing other women, so in a sense there would be a pattern of monogamy but it would be generally one sided.

Now, for some reason every time I've been involved in a relationship with a woman, it has tended to be a monogamous relationship for both of us, even though I've been pretty much up front that I don't need that from my partner. My first mistress was one who was involved in so many relationships with others (men and women) that we had a great relationship because there was never any reason to fall into a sense of jealousy or mistrust. She demanded my allegiance to her, and I was happy with that.

So, I guess it takes all kinds.

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