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The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 5:12:05 PM

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It seems in our western ways we are now a target for the terrorist, now more so than ever before, why ?

Why is it we are a target ?

What have we done to become a target ?

How can we stop it ?

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 5:55:21 PM

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We are a target because we never mind our own business.

There is not really such a thing as a terrorist. Merely retaliatory people who had something of value swindled from them.

Usually their wealth.

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 5:57:25 PM

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George Bush didn't have the time to kill all of them..

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 6:02:50 PM

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There is not really such a thing as a terrorist. Merely retaliatory people who had something of value swindled from them. Usually their wealth.

Deliberately targeting innocent people is not explained by being pissed off over the cookies you lost.

K.

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 7:32:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

It seems in our western ways we are now a target for the terrorist, now more so than ever before, why ?

Why is it we are a target ?

Persistent meddling, encroachment, and exploitation.

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What have we done to become a target ?

See above.

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How can we stop it ?

Apologize for the above, and desist from similar action.

Of course, the masses are stuck in their fairy-tale perception of reality, and still don't realize that the "government" is a mere tool for the banking and corporate interests... who together create boogiemen to keep us living in fear.

Oh government... puleeeese protect us from the evil-doers!!! I don't care, go ahead and erode our rights... take our sons to die and get maimed... just protect us!!! ...

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 7:53:41 PM

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"Deliberately targeting innocent people is not explained by being pissed off over the cookies you lost"

Cookies ? What about your Wife and children ? The fact is we are a target because we fucked with them first. You ever see the movie called Black Rain ? The reason behind the title really only comes out towards the end. Japan surrendered after the first bomb, which came AFTER our acts of war against them. The Russians conveniently forgot to tell the rest of the world and the second bomb came.

The drug lord who was pumping our streets full of poison for our young said straight out "I will never stop until every American child is hopeless hooked on drugs". Something like that, for he had seen black rain, after the bomb. That villain was a hero. He lost people and was pissed and was not going to take it laying down. That's a MAN. WOMEN do not do this. This is OUR function in life, to kill.

Realize it and embrace it and you'll have alot less trouble along the way.

T

Edited to add, we are not always on the right side. Take that reasoning to the bankk and understand that the desk, fence or whatever does have two sides. Thos on the other side saw a different angle. They lost people, they are not US !, They owe us nothing and want nothing. We came there and fucked with them.

I am not necessarily anti Jew, but alot of Arabs have done alot more to get a country, unsung heros all over the world. You never heard of this terrorism shit years ago did you ? It's not because we hadn't fucked with them, that started in 1948. It's just that the world had not grown small enough yet.

My Grampa knew they were coming.

T

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 8:02:55 PM

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Since WWII the West has overthrown most governments in the ME, all to ensure oil profits.

How would the US deal with people overthrowing our governments? If the only way you could fight back was to strap explosives to your back, wouldn't you do it?

And "innocent"? We were the ones who firebombed millions of people to death in WWII...lets not get on too high a horse here. Most people who get blown up don't feel any better about that bomb falling from 30,000 feet or from the terrorist sitting next to them on the bus.

Now I don't sympathize with their methods, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the fingernails off of one if it would save one civilian but I also know that the way we are fighting these wars is doing more to support MORE terror than less.

The reason all that is important is you don't end terrorism by shooting more of them, by bombing more towns, by any of those means. You win it by changing the politcal landscape so they once again have some feeling of control over their own destinees.

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 8:09:49 PM

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why dont we start these "terrorist" debates out right for once with what the fuck is a terrorist?

Somebody who runs around scaring little gurls?

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 8:30:04 PM

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why dont we start these "terrorist" debates out right for once with what the fuck is a terrorist?

Somebody who runs around scaring little gurls?

According to Wiki, the International community has been unable to formulate a universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism.

So I suppose it all depends upon who you ask.

In an effort to prevent a derail, perhaps we can all agree that a terrorist is a person who commits an act of violent aggression, with the motivation of coercion and/or retaliation.

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 8:42:50 PM

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That villain was a hero. He lost people and was pissed and was not going to take it laying down. That's a MAN. WOMEN do not do this. This is OUR function in life, to kill.

Realize it and embrace it and you'll have alot less trouble along the way.

I can understand a man's anger and desire to retaliate under such circumstances, but how does hooking innocent children on dope make him a man?

Also, wouldn't embracing that our function in life is to kill, only exaberate the existing dysfunction in our world?

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 8:52:20 PM

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Of course, the masses are stuck in their fairy-tale perception of reality, and still don't realize that the "government" is a mere tool for the banking and corporate interests... who together create boogiemen to keep us living in fear.

How exactly can you be sure that you aren't the one living in a fairy tale perception of reality?

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ORIGINAL: subfever
Persistent meddling, encroachment, and exploitation.

I'm not sure that it's so simple, for instance how would those issues effect this American?

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 11:08:09 PM

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Convert to Islam (see: jihad. see: Koran).

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/7/2010 11:09:35 PM

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There is not really such a thing as a terrorist. Merely retaliatory people who had something of value swindled from them. Usually their wealth.

Deliberately targeting innocent people is not explained by being pissed off over the cookies you lost.

K.

Nor is attacking, say, Bali.

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/8/2010 3:58:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

It seems in our western ways we are now a target for the terrorist, now more so than ever before, why ?

Why is it we are a target ?

What have we done to become a target ?

How can we stop it ?

I don't think there is one reason, but several.

1. We are over there and have been over there fucking with almost every country in the middle east in one form or another. (Main Reason, IMO).

2. Some people are just insane, and gravitate to where ever the greatest chance for sanctioned killing is.

3. Some people are stupid, and interpret, or accept that their god wants them to kill.

4. Some are poor, and gravitate to whatever, can provide a way of not being "as poor", and or gain them and there family recognition.

5. Some people enter terrorism because of perceived harm to them because of some actions we've taken, many real and legitimate, some more theoretical.

6. In reference to the US, we are tied to and associated with Israel, and the Israeli military is just as bad as any terrorist organization in my opinion. Thus the friend of my enemy is also my enemy.

It's not a wise game to play, IMO, you can't stop someone that is willing to die to try to harm you, yeah, maybe you can stop some but you can't stop a million.

Example, you can take a cellphone, and rig it to a cheap RC plane, and build a UAV. Cost: sub 1000.00

With such you can transport shit over the boarder, such as bomb materials, biological weapons, etc.... At least a few parts at a time, but there is nearly zero chance of getting caught.

So, now, how do you stop a little RC plane? do we monitor the air down to the size of a bird?

Also this situation becomes worse the longer we go, as in as battery tech increases, so does the load capacity and or the range, making it even harder to stop.

Now, the cellphone method is crude, but there are also open source projects using embedded linux computers and better GPS systems. So, you simply program these using latitude and longitude, and a simple mechanism to release the cargo.

This also could be used to run drugs, with about zero chance of getting caught, you may lose your 1000.00 dollar plane every once in a while but how cares, you make it up in volume.

Safety is an illusion. There is simply not enough money on the planet to stop a dispersed motivated attacker. You can have individual victories but the war is impossible to win.

So, the solution going forward is not of greater confrontation, but there really only are couple paths, either, make friends somehow, or Mutually Assured Destruction.

That's my opinion, on the subject...

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/8/2010 4:40:31 AM

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I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Israel yet. America's unstinting and unfailing support of that genocidal bunch of fuckwits is one of the main reasons you people are so hated in the middle east, after all.

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/8/2010 4:43:24 AM

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I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Israel yet. America's unstinting and unfailing support of that genocidal bunch of fuckwits is one of the main reasons you people are so hated in the middle east, after all.

I did it's number 6 in my list.

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/8/2010 4:45:30 AM

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So you did. I beg your pardon.

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/8/2010 5:24:11 AM

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This is really very simple.

Terrorists hate the US.
Socialists hate the US.
Therefore terrorists are socialists and socialist are terrorists.

So the way to stop terrorists is to stamp out socialism by forming well armed militias to strike whenever socialism comes to light.

Glad we've cleared that one up

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/8/2010 7:38:55 AM

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In the case of the above dude- the TV - in his mind commanded him to do that.

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RE: The terrorist, what creates it ? - 3/8/2010 8:29:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

It seems in our western ways we are now a target for the terrorist, now more so than ever before, why ?

Why is it we are a target ?

What have we done to become a target ?

How can we stop it ?

Terrorism works.

It goes back to Algeria resisting the French. Even modern day terrorists study this conflict.

Yet another reason to do your own homework.

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