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Rope Recommendations? - 3/14/2010 6:26:23 PM

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I'm sure this has been covered before, but I struck out with the search engine, hence the thread.

A potential play partner wants me to stock up on bondage rope, and I'm not sure what kind works best. Any advice for a newbie on what kind of rope to buy and where?

Many thanks!

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 3/31/2010 10:20:03 AM

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Check out Twistedmonk.com. I'd go to a hardware store and just feel the ropes and see which feels best to you. A note on Ropes, softer the rope the more slip a knot will have. Rougher ropes will damage the skin if drawn tightly over it. Also I'd get a few books on rope bondage. Chanta Rose has a good book called Bondage for Sex. http://www.amazon.com/Bondage-Sex-Chanta-Rose/dp/0977723801 Any other questions feel free to drop me a few messages I use rope in self bondage and bondage. Hope this helped.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 3/31/2010 10:40:59 AM

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_3022605/mpage_1/key_nylon/tm.htm#3027584
http://www.collarchat.com/m_3089217/mpage_1/key_jute%252Cnylon%252Chemp%252Cbraided/tm.htm#3089217

heres a couple threads to slosh around in DC. Main thing for pretty sex bondage is beware and test the burn of the rope, you drape it over your forearm and pull it quickly, if it burns the shit outta ya, outta here clown....the nylon looks like rope rope is cute for tying, but hanging the meat is a different matter. Being as how I suspect you aint gonna change your spots, for cock and ball tying the hardware store has those brown rolls shrinkwrapped of cord, about the size of a baseball.....JUTE! JUTE! JUTE! soft and lovely......... do not use that nasty sisal or what may be labeld hemp (cause it aint, it is fuckin scratchy and nasty)

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 3/31/2010 3:06:56 PM

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I like twisted nylon. I can get it anywhere-and it doesn't STINK.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 3/31/2010 5:24:11 PM

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Thanks, folks! I really appreciate the advice.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 3/31/2010 5:44:41 PM

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I've tried this thread before, and I did a bunch of research before and after. The best advice I've heard thus far is that for bedroom bondage or if you're just starting out, you should go for rope that can go in the washer. It'll get really sticky and smelly otherwise.

Hemp and most animal-based ropes require oil in order to remain supple and useable. They are therefore NOT machine washable. Nylon and cotton however, are both machine wash regular, tumble dry low. There are a LOT of people that prefer hemp, but my personal experience has been that its main advantage is visual. If you're looking for that particular visual however, by all means go for it.

Interestingly enough, equine experts, of whom there are more of than there are BDSM enthusiasts, have a similar debate. The hive mind there appears to recommend a solid braid nylon in the 3/8" to 3/4" range.

Scaling down to human weight and muscle strength, I've had excellent results with solid braid nylon in 3/8" for structural ties, 1/4" for ties that won't see much stress, and 1/2" for the most weight bearing of suspension ties. For purely decorative work, like hair or gloves, I use rat tail, an 1/8" satin nylon product available at any fabric store I've got a bunch of 3/16" rope, but I almost never use it.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/1/2010 11:03:34 PM

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I'd also really recommend twistedmonk. It is bdsm specific. Meaning he uses only rope that is best suited to bondage, which means ropes made of different materials that will cut out or at least reduce instances of rope burn. His stuff is not cheap, but also not expensive, and I believe its the best available. He also has some quick videos on the site for those just getting started and I think hes now throwing in a DVD with all rope purchases. Seriously, check it out.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/2/2010 7:56:00 AM

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dc,

Go to a hardware store. You can get soft cotton rope in a number of sizes.

It ain't cheap, though.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/3/2010 2:04:13 PM

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I've tried several types of ropes and for my purposes braided nylon is soft, sturdy and machine washable. A large marine store should have it on a reel so you can buy eight foot lengths.

When you get it home wrap a little masking tape around the ends then melt them with a lighter or gas stove. As soon as they go rubbery lay it on a cutting board and roll it round with the side of a knife.

I like to wrap about five inches around a broomhandle and wrap it with twine to form a one inch loop.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/3/2010 2:19:17 PM

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Go to any local Feed Store for farmers/horses. As they have a large choice of ropes at a low price. As well as a big ass assortment of crops whips and other fun toys that one can use to raise nice welts on a sub or slave!

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/3/2010 2:31:42 PM

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I have become rather taken with a local (to me) guy's signature product: Banda rope. I have no idea where the name comes from, but it is a low-stretch synthetic that knots and feels a lot like natural fiber. If I had nothing to do but babysit rope, I'd probably go all hemp, but this stuff is as maintenance-free as any nylon, while being about 70% as awesome as actual hemp. Only downside is cost, it's much pricier than nylon.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/9/2010 5:25:01 PM

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IMHO, synthetic rope is like nylon bedsheets. Ugh! Jute is my rope of choice. It has all the benefits of hemp but is lighter and polishes up nicely with use...and it doesn't stink of farmyards but each to thier own.

My prices are keen on natural fibres, especially on the Asanawa range of Japanese style shibari rope (loose laid and very light/flexible): http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/ESINEM-Rope

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/18/2010 10:45:38 AM

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Hemp and most animal-based ropes require oil in order to remain supple and useable. They are therefore NOT machine washable. Nylon and cotton however, are both machine wash regular, tumble dry low. There are a LOT of people that prefer hemp, but my personal experience has been that its main advantage is visual. If you're looking for that particular visual however, by all means go for it.

The main advantage of hemp (and jute) is not visual. For Japanese style techniques you need rope that is strong enough for suspension, at a small enough diameter not to cause nerve damage, that doesn't stretch too much and that has high enough friction for the almost knotless techniques. Nylon and many other synthetics hasn't got enough friction. Cotton has too much stretch and isn't strong enough for suspension unless you take a very large diameter.

Hemp and jute meet all three criteria. And besides, they actually can easily be boiled for cleaning, and even machine washing (in a pillow cover) is an option. If you really want your hemp oiled, just oil it again after washing.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/18/2010 10:49:32 AM

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True silk if you can afford it, and if you can find it. The finding it is the hardest part. If not though, that dark green and black army rope is awesome and readily available. I've got about 50m of the stuff, and it works great, especially if you want to hook it to something and not worry about fraying it or accidentally damaging it like you might with silk. I use the silk mainly for show purposes, when parading my pet. For true use, I use the nylon military rope.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/18/2010 1:11:59 PM

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Hemp and most animal-based ropes require oil in order to remain supple and useable. They are therefore NOT machine washable. Nylon and cotton however, are both machine wash regular, tumble dry low. There are a LOT of people that prefer hemp, but my personal experience has been that its main advantage is visual. If you're looking for that particular visual however, by all means go for it.

The main advantage of hemp (and jute) is not visual. For Japanese style techniques you need rope that is strong enough for suspension, at a small enough diameter not to cause nerve damage, that doesn't stretch too much and that has high enough friction for the almost knotless techniques. Nylon and many other synthetics hasn't got enough friction. Cotton has too much stretch and isn't strong enough for suspension unless you take a very large diameter.

Hemp and jute meet all three criteria. And besides, they actually can easily be boiled for cleaning, and even machine washing (in a pillow cover) is an option. If you really want your hemp oiled, just oil it again after washing.

I'll admit, I got the needed care for hemp off the twisted monk site a few years ago, and it is not personal experience. It is the recommendation of one of the bigger hemp suppliers in the US though. If they were wrong, than I will accept your expertise.

However, a larger diameter rope means less pressure per square inch of flesh, and therefore lessens the possible damage so far as I know. The rule of thumb I always learned for suspensions is more rope coverage, in more places, with the majority of the weight being supported by weight bearing muscular-skeletal structure away from surface nerve centers. What I know of Japanese suspension agrees with this; pelvis and chest take the majority of the load, mid thigh and bicep take a very minor if any load, and any wrist or ankle tie is restraint, not weight bearing. I'll admit I don't do "pure" bondage of any kind though, so I can't speak to the no tying thing. I didn't trust the hemp I tried to not need tying and I'll admit I didn't try it.

As an aside, Esinem isn't kidding, he's among the cheapest price on jute I've seen. $0.23/ft it isn't, but it beats the $1 to $2.50/ft I usually found when I was researching this stuff.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/18/2010 1:13:45 PM

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You know, this may be an odd source, but I often go to Houston's local Asian market district. They have lots of bazaars there and you can find some excellent rope, that not only works REALLY well, but is beautiful in appearance also.

I found some silk wound rope that I absolutely love, but unfortunately haven't had a chance to break in yet...but it feels divine on the fingertips. Hoping to find more in due time. Just something to consider if you're in a large city :)

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/18/2010 2:48:47 PM

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However, a larger diameter rope means less pressure per square inch of flesh, and therefore lessens the possible damage so far as I know.

That is true for pressure in many places but there are a few exceptions. For instance, a Japanese style chest harnes needs to be cinched below the armpits, and thicker rope increases the chances of nerve damage at this particular spot. Therefore, if you want to spread the load, more wraps of thinner rope is actually safer than less wraps of thicker rope. That is, if you use a Japanese takate kote style harness. Thus, 12mm cotton wouldn't be a better choice than 6mm hemp.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/18/2010 6:41:11 PM

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I had thought that was an over the arm above the breast, just chest below the breast harness? A quick Google search bore me out on that, but we're quickly getting off topic.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/19/2010 3:03:09 AM

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I had thought that was an over the arm above the breast, just chest below the breast harness? A quick Google search bore me out on that, but we're quickly getting off topic.

No, a standard takate kote style harness has both the upper and lower wraps going over the arms. Cinching those wraps prevents them from slipping over the shoulders onto the neck (and thus is an essential element). In this gallery, take a look at the 5th picture and you will see clearly what I mean by the cinch under the armpit.

I don't think this is quite off-topic, as the need to cinch relates directly to the question of rope choice. The bigger the diemater of the rope, the bulkier the stuff under the armpits, the more danger for nerve compression there (of course, that's not the only spot to be carefull about, the outside of the arms is as dangerous a place, if not more). Thus, it is an argument why 6mm hemp or jute is a superior choice to 10 or 12mm cotton for suspensions.

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RE: Rope Recommendations? - 4/19/2010 10:49:27 PM

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Not sure if these would interest you or not??

http://shop.secrettoysupply.com/Nylon-Rope-50-ft-5-16-inch-TY50.htm

http://shop.secrettoysupply.com/Nylon-Rope-50-ft-1-2-inch-diameter-TY051.htm

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