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There are a lot of great arguments here, but as often as not, pregnancy occurs from the basic reason of not using contraception - though I can stand in there with those who used contraception and still ended up with a little one.

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ORIGINAL: came4U

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If a womans abortion was considered a medical need - for example - abortion is recommend by medical staff because of medical complications(child is stillborn/mothers life at risk/cancer etc) - or the woman had been raped and reported, later to find she was prenant from said rape, does that make a difference to those who are against state paid abortion? In other words, does the reason make a difference?

not to me, no. But those are hypotheticals and hypothetical babies and health concerns and hypothetical incidents., that subject always arises. State paid or not, free or a nickel each abortion, I don't believe in abortion under any circumstance, so, NO. But, we, live in a society that puts a crisis of one situation over the posibility of 'life'. Most tend to believe in the 'take care of YOU/ME self first' policy. I don't, and that is my right, as a woman and a citizen.

*this talk of medical concerns reminds me of the fact that women have been giving birth for thousands of years ...and then you have the Monty Python episode of the 'machine that goes PINGGG'

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Yes it would make a difference to me - one is a medical necessity the other is a mental health and/or social issue.

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Then do you believe in state funded induction of a late term, non fruitful, pregnancy.

the.dark.

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If a healthy woman is transformed into an incubator for a fetus she does not want to carry to term, she may well go fucking bonkers and need years of therapy, or worse.

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Yes it would make a difference to me - one is a medical necessity the other is a mental health and/or social issue.

That's the biggest hole in your argument. An unwanted pregnancy carries all kinds of mental anguish. Mental health is a health issue. If a healthy woman is transformed into an incubator for a fetus she does not want to carry to term, she may well go fucking bonkers and need years of therapy, or worse.

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That's the biggest hole in your argument. An unwanted pregnancy carries all kinds of mental anguish. Mental health is a health issue. If a healthy woman is transformed into an incubator for a fetus she does not want to carry to term, she may well go fucking bonkers and need years of therapy, or worse.

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Men (if abortion is sought) should also be informed of that decision, if not to attempt to change the mind of that mother, then to console.

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Then do you believe in state funded induction of a late term, non fruitful, pregnancy.

the.dark.

If that child has passed away by natural causes, and that is proven, yes. In that case, it is no longer the taking of a life.

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If a healthy woman is transformed into an incubator for a fetus she does not want to carry to term, she may well go fucking bonkers and need years of therapy, or worse.

That 'healthy' woman should know then that

sex = possibility of pregnancy.

She also likely knows that

McDonalds = probability of ass getting fat.

if she cannot put one of those priorities over another in her decision making skills...she is beyond therapy.

* I used this example because I know a chick from work who told me about fucking some guy she met outside in a bar lineup then later thought she was pregnant....but ask her if she wants to go to lunch at McD's, she is gasping OMG NO, IT IS FATTENING, and baaad for ya!! lmao *shakes head

*to compare this in some obscure way...lets take the Meth program. City funded meth programs. Some believe 'hell, why should we as taxpayers pay for junkees who started and continued drugs and it is all self-inflicted and now they want us to 'fix them', wean them off slowly from their irresponsible actions???' others, might argue that 'to remove the burden of the junkee being still high OR not coming down slowly, it will save taxpayers in the end'. Either way, it is similar to abortion (in context) because someone is aiding another (via a medical proceedure) that BEGAN as a socially conceptual (even contemplatable/irresponsible) ACT.

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You know, this is something I really have an issue with. If a man has no desire to pay child support, the courts tell him he has no choice in the matter, that he chose to have sex, that he knew sex could result in pregnancy, and that he has to accept the consequences of his actions by supporting the child he helped to create.

Good luck saying the exact same thing about a woman.

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Whenever I see this come up over in the states, it's always difficult to seperate that tax issues from religious fervour.  We just do not have that problem here to the same extent.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Look, I really do respect other people's religious beliefs, and I know I'm a bitch for saying this but it really does scare me to think that someone who lets fear of God's wrath determine their political agenda might ever possibly become Commander in Chief of the most powerful army in the world.

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Look, I really do respect other people's religious beliefs, and I know I'm a bitch for saying this but it really does scare me to think that someone who lets fear of God's wrath determine their political agenda might ever possibly become Commander in Chief of the most powerful army in the world.

I guess you missed that whole Dubya thing.

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Various individuals vaginal odor eminations are a subject for Health and Safety, perhaps.

The subject of men's circumcision and everyone's thoughts on that matter would at this point be a separate thread in Off Topic or even Health, unless it is tied either to Political questions or Religious questions, but still a separate thread.

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminSigma

To all parties interesting in avoiding a long spring moderation.

Womens Rights and its surrounding concerns are at the table.

Various individuals vaginal odor emanations are a subject for Health and Safety, perhaps.

The subject of men's circumcision and everyone's thoughts on that matter would at this point be a separate thread in Off Topic or even Health, unless it is tied either to Political questions or Religious questions, but still a separate thread.

If the catcalling all around the table doesn't cease, there will not be enough penises and vaginas around here to carry on any sort of conversation about those penises and vaginas.

VideoAdminSigma