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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 5:54:48 PM   
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they bus in prostitutes like any other war.      some of them even join the Army.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 7:33:32 PM   
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Real0ne: Still sovereign?  who are you trying to kid aside from yourself?

Let's simplify this.

ME: Combat deployed to Iraq, recently been in country 7 1/2 months prior to returning to the US on R and R. Have seen Iraq's democracy, and self rule, in action.

You: Sitting in the comfort of your home, going off second hand information from 10 to 20 second news sound bites from your selected news source.

The real question is this, "who do YOU think YOU'RE kidding?" Another question... SERIOUS?!?!?!

I've seen their self rule in action, plain and simple. I've seen them function the way I've seen local governments in the US function.


Real0ne: The iraqi children that you saw?  ok nice qualifier to say all is well when you dont know.

Again, I've seen these kids with my own eyes, and have interacted with them, in person. You haven't. How is it that I'M the one that doesn't know? And here you are, not having been there recently (possibly not at all), trying to lecture me as if you know better.

Time for simplification.

I was there. You weren't. I know what I'm talking about.


Real0ne:Unfortunately this board wont allow me to post the pics of the brains falling out of some poor babies head and eyes the size of tennis balls because some perv will probly jerk to it so I cant show you up close and personal.

This is what I was talking about when I mentioned selective news reporting. Or worse, some conspiracy nut website on the internet speculating about what happened in pictures coming out of Iraq.

Our rules of engagement prohibit us from firing on unarmed civilians. We don't open fire on a hostile until we have positive identification of their hostile intent. We don't shoot innocent men, women and children.

The Anti Iraqi Force, on the other hand, will not hesitate to slaughter a bunch of kids just so that they could get to the one or two soldiers in their midst. This is one major reason to why their population overwhelmingly turned against the terrorists.

Conspiracy theorists, and radical news organizations, would take casualties, caused by terrorists, and try to pin blame on the coalition.

Regardless of what your websites tell you, I saw none of that. All I saw were healthy children, with full use of their body parts. If you still doubt this, remember which one of us was recently there.


Real0ne: Shall we talk about all the vets with DU poisoning (aka gulf syndrome), from the original theater? The ones who cannot nor can their wives/girlfriends give blood due to exposure or are you going to evade that one with a you did not see any of those people either?

One. This isn't the Gulf War. Two. Unlike the Gulf War, we've been in Iraq longer, done operations in Iraq longer, and have been exposed to Iraq longer. None of us are suffering from "Gulf War Syndrome." None of the Iraqis that I saw showed evidence of suffering those effects either.

I did see a blind man there, but his blindness was due to causes unrelated to human activity.

Remember, I've done combat patrols through their cities and country side... I'm telling you what I saw. It doesn't match your assumptions of what's in Iraq.


Real0ne: So just blow them the fuck away eh?  Because they didnt follow some fucking rule?  No harm no foul, no hard feelings just business as usual right? 

Go to a gunfight between two gangs, and flash a toy gun at them after they've been at it for half an hour or more. Or, flash something that has a silhouette that could pass as a weapon... let's see how far you'd get. Common sense is still applicable in Iraq, as it is in the United States.

Yes, it's dangerous out there. Why, in God's name, will you go out there with commercial assets, when you could ride with the military? Where it's safer? I've seen the press in Iraq, they've got distinct markings that sets them apart from everybody else. This is almost like going out in traffic, in pitch black, without wearing a reflective belt. You're asking for trouble.

I take it that you've never been in a situation, a constant situation, where you had to act quick for the sake of your survival.


Real0ne: Even on that shitty blurry flv on you tube I can see that there were children in the front seat of the van and those chopper cams are fucking tack sharp with zoom you can pick a fucking zit with so who you trying to bullshit here?

Did you even watch the video?

It starts with a bunch of people walking, the pilots identify them with weapons. Then one or two make like they're attacking the choppers... the choppers respond accordingly. They identify the two people that were reporters; however, you're conveniently forgetting the fact that these guys tend to double up as "regular citizens" and "hostiles."

Let's see, people shoot at you, or make the appearance of shooting at you, then they pick up a phone to make calls... him to spot you and call in their battles maybe?

When you're out in sector, and you're engaging someone that had just fired at you, or has made the appearance of firing at you, you're focused on one thing... eliminating the threat. You don't have time to sit there and nickel and dime what's going on. The time you spend fumbling with the "zoom" could be more than enough time for the hostiles to fire an RKG at you.

There's the appearance of one in the beginning of the video.

I saw the front of the van to, you couldn't tell if those were kids, or accomplices. Not all kids are innocent, just talk to the kids that threatened to kill a couple of my battles for refusing to spare them some of our trash while at the burn pit.

I'm not trying to bullshit anybody, just giving the audience the facts, based on my experiences over there. The real question is this.

How dare you, after having not ben there recently, question my first hand observation of what's going on there based on your second hand information? Who are YOU trying to bullshit?


Real0ne: Then shooting the rescuers who clearly were trying to rescue the living?

The hostiles have a bad habit of shooting at you, then falling back and acting as if they're innocent bystanders. If you shoot one of them, and they fall back, they come back... with the help of their battles, pretending that they were innocent bystanders that were shot by accident. Apparently, you haven't had to deal with that.

Real0ne: You justify a fucking massacre in the name of "they didnt follow the rules".  What the fuck is wrong with you?

Again, did you even bother watching the video? The two people that were identified as being "press" didn't look like they were from the press, they didn't look like the people over there that represented the press. They didn't follow the rules, and didn't give any indication that they weren't hostile. Again, common sense. Mother Nature has a way of weeding out the stupid.

I side with the pilots, who acted the way they should've acted out in sector.

What's "wrong" with me? I've done combat operations out in sector, where, unlike you where you could drive by a dead animal, or a clump of trash, without second thought, I have to swerve around and put alot of distance, and deal with my heart skipping a beat or two. That scene in the video represented a hostile scene, which forced our pilots to act accordingly.


Real0ne: fuck you dont.

You don't, I know that for a fact, I've been there. When you're in a hostile environment like that, your mind is focused on things like survival. That pilot heard gunfire, and saw the people on the ground get into fighting positions before the choppers rounded the corner. You're engaged in a gunfight where one of two things could happen... you get killed or you prevail and move on.

Every little second counts, and every action you take has to contribute to defeating the enemy.

Had they laid their arms down, and surrendered, that whole scene wouldn't have happened.


Real0ne: bird pursued those people not the other way around.  Clearly they were just strolling around, even some crazed rambo fuckhead could see that. 

WRONG.

That bird was on patrol when they came across this group. I saw that video, and I saw them get into threatening positions on the ground. The pilot saw armed people, and heard gunfire.


Real0ne: was no evidence of weapons or threat,

Did you not see the AKs that the people were carrying in the video? Did you not see the launcher? Don't let yourself get fooled by the editors pointing to what looked like a camera, people were there carrying weapons...

And the Anti Iraqi Force has a habit of having camera men with them to record their attacks.


Real0ne: and when you are in a copter you have all the convenience of watching it on tv from a safe distance so

Not when you're in a hostile situation you don't. You do realize that they've taken choppers down with RPG, do you? Where they were at wasn't exactly "safe" from fire. You don't have that much time to react, and from the video, the "camera" could easily pass as a weapon.

Real0ne: need to spew horse shit all over my post.

Don't mistake facts for horse shit, and definitely don't mistake your horse shit for facts.

Real0ne: Then your shoot to kill policy, what the fuck is up with that. 

A dead terrorist won't try to kill you in the future.

Real0ne: They were down and out of commission and those fuckers just plain murdered those people. 

If you paid attention to the tape, the pilots were going to spare the wounded until able bodied people came into the scene. Then they fired at the SUV. Yes, the bad guys do drive those around. Again, enemy combatants have a bad habit getting into the fight, then withdrawing and pretending that they weren't involved with the fight at all.

Real0ne: Do you fucking kids even know the difference. 

Speaks volumes about your age if you could call a 40 year old a "kid." To answer your question, we know how to react in a hostile environment. I don't see any of what you try to describe in the video... but I do see what made the pilots concerned, and I see it in context of my understanding of how these people do things.

Real0ne: The whole damn thing was misreported so they could waste them.

No, only a part of the scene was captured, and displayed to the public. They didn't show the entire scene, the sequence of events that lead to the choppers, and other assets, zeroing in on that area. The only misrepresentation was from the website, not the military. If you've been in the TOC, you'd recognize that scene as selective reporting.

Remember, people shooting at you... then acting innocent.

Again, those reporters weren't using their heads.


Real0ne: Thanks for the news on the eastern front heir commandant.

I prefer my first hand accounts, and those of my battles, over an organization that could successfully deceive the viewers.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 7:48:39 PM   
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Doing my best to counter media propaganda against the Iraq War, as well as their silence on how things are really going there, using recent first hand experience.


What media propaganda would that be?

That we launched a war because we knew Iraq had WMD's but somehow after seven years we haven't been able to find them?



If your perceptions of the Iraq War are different from what I've described here, and on previous threads, then I'm talking about the propaganda perpetrated by your news source.

Both sarin and mustard gas were used against our troops post invasion. And get this, blister agents were used against Iraqis in my AO shortly before I went on R and R. What do these three things, sarin, mustard, and blister agents, have in common?
They're chemical agents.

What does WMD consist of? Chemical, biological, and nuclear agents. For further details, search the debates I've been involved with on this board arguing the sarin/mustard gas argument.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 7:52:49 PM   
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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 7:55:14 PM   
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RO,

do you really think he is for real?  he cant talk about that stuff- ie gag order.

true he maybe be on break- but do you really think he would post anything critical of his operation?



WRONG.

I could talk about the stuff we've already done. I can't, however, talk about OPSEC related information. I'm not involved in any operation that'd require me to uphold OPSEC, obviously since I'm here and am unable to be involved in such operations... operations that are going on right now. However; what's already happened doesn't constitute OPSEC. I'm under no gag order.

Ask yourself, which one of us has recently ben in Iraq, before trying to cast doubt on my credibility, or my state of mind, on Iraq War discussions.

That question should actually be directed at those who one; haven't recently combat deployed to Iraq and two; who're only armed with second hand information about what's going on there.


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 8:05:23 PM   
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HAND SALUTE! TWO!
Welcome home and *THANKYOU* FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY!
After Iraq is cleaned up how do you think the guys would like to go down to Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and Calif along the border? They could sure use you guys down there!
And what do you do for "a little female company" (wink, wink) in Iraq?


Thanks.

In order for us to secure the border, you guys have to fight to repeal the Posse Comitatus Act, or have a national emergency declared for those areas due to illegal immigration. For now, securing the border is the domain for the border patrol, for the sheriff, state police, and the national guard while not working in a federal capacity... depending on what each of those states desire.

As for female company, that's hard to come by when you're in an infantry outpost. But, once you get to the major FOBS, you have Air Force women, as well as civilian women.


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 8:07:08 PM   
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they bus in prostitutes like any other war.      some of them even join the Army.


SF did that, even flew them in on Ospreys, or picked whores up out in town, then dropped them off before sun rise. We didn't do that though.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 8:10:31 PM   
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Herfacechair..just ignore Pahunk and Real One, most of us do...they are batshit crazy conspiracy fruitcakes

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 8:12:55 PM   
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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 8:52:22 PM   
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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 9:33:10 PM   
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Dude. You rock for serving.
I have talked to more than a few vets coming home and most have stories similar to yours. While not taking a stand on or against the war, I will say that most agree there is a large chasm between the public impression, both of the war and many of its problems, and what is actually happening on the ground.
Again, thanks for serving.


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 9:42:10 PM   
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Joining the sentiment of most everyone here, thanks for your service. 

However, the most important question no one is asking: how is the scene over there?  Any good S&M clubs (the Flying Burka, perhaps)?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 9:46:39 PM   
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Fella, you've got a tough job.  And I appreciate the fact that you're on leave and could do a thousand things, and chose to spend that time with us.

Personally, I'd be chasing wimmins instead of dealing with some of the posters here...


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 9:50:30 PM   
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they bus in prostitutes like any other war.      some of them even join the Army.


I think pops was hinting he might give the guy a hummer if he would go shoot some Hispanic insurgents in Arizona.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 9:58:55 PM   
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I would like to know when and why you enlisted?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 10:15:04 PM   
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Herfacechair..just ignore Pahunk and Real One, most of us do...they are batshit crazy conspiracy fruitcakes



yeh take ars advice he never gets anything right


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 10:30:29 PM   
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HFC, if it is acceptable to address you in that manner Sir, thank you. You are fighting for your country and I think that it's pretty cool that you came here to spread the word, even though it is your version.

Now I don't really want to discuss the horrors of war so much, war is pretty much hell and I don't think there is any way to change that much. I know that there is probably quite a bit going on that you don't know, but not everyone knows eveerything.

You might not be up on my opinion but I will make it succinct. Man has forgotten how to make war. You don't do it lightly, but when you do you walk through there and leave no Man, Woman or child alive, nor any domesticated animals. Livestock are butchered and served to the victors. In the long run this results in less human suffering actually.

But we get into these protracted, controlled wars in the attempt to control a foreign people and their resources. I believe this to be wrong. That does not make you wrong. You had a good faith belief you were doing right and I respect that.

My questions will of course be of a different character because I learned differently. I see things differently.

Now let's say Iraq actually did have WMD. So what. Iraq was blamed for gassing the Kurds many years ago but that was proven wrong, when did they ever attack US ? There was no Al Queida there, but I know the real reasons the war started. We knew that 911 was from Afghanistan, yet attacked Iraq. Why do you think this happened ?

Well here is the deal, Saddam is about to convert to euros, and is sitting on huge stores of US currency. I mean ALOT of US currency. And he was pissed, his former friends who had put him into power years ago were against him now, so of course he was against them and everybody knew it. They knew what he planned to do, which was to start doing business in euros while flooding the market with USDs.

And the public support you enjoy there was not because Saddam was such a butcher, that country had a pretty good infrastructure going which we destroyed most of, and things were not all that bad. Saddam was actually one of the more moderate and liberal of the Arab type leaders. BinLaden was an old schooler who wanted Women's faces all covered in public and all that. They did not get along, at least on those points. If BinLaden trained anyone from or in Iraq, it was certainly not under the auspices of the Iraqi government at the time.

Now of course these people are emenies now, we have been fucking with them too long. And most of it was over oil. And that popular support ? The opposition has been killed off. The Iraqi government passed out assault weapons and militized (sp) the able bodied males to combat us. We were an invading force, and even if there was a wide spectrum of political beliefs at the time, I find it damn hard to believe that any citizen of any country would welcome a foreign invasion. 

In fact in the UN charter, peace is specifically defined as the ansence of opposition. It says nothing about how it was achieved.

I must go soon, but look to the words of Smedly P. Butler. He made Major General in the USN IIRC and he had a very profound statement in his waning years. He also believed in his best intentions, but later realized what he was doing and said straight out that he would not make war again. His reasons were quite valid I think.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 11:26:02 PM   
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Real0ne: Still sovereign?  who are you trying to kid aside from yourself?

Let's simplify this.

ME: Combat deployed to Iraq, recently been in country 7 1/2 months prior to returning to the US on R and R. Have seen Iraq's democracy, and self rule, in action.

And you think a commie assed democracy is a good thing? Do you have any clue what that word even means?  Do you have any clue that this country is a republic?  As a republic why woudl we establish a democracy there?


You: Sitting in the comfort of your home, going off second hand information from 10 to 20 second news sound bites from your selected news source.

The real question is this, "who do YOU think YOU'RE kidding?" Another question... SERIOUS?!?!?!

I've seen their self rule in action, plain and simple. I've seen them function the way I've seen local governments in the US function.


Oh yeh?  You arent privy to the legislation behind anything and you are dealing with an 2 card deck and dont even know it.


Real0ne: The iraqi children that you saw?  ok nice qualifier to say all is well when you dont know.

Again, I've seen these kids with my own eyes, and have interacted with them, in person. You haven't. How is it that I'M the one that doesn't know? And here you are, not having been there recently (possibly not at all), trying to lecture me as if you know better.

Time for simplification.

I was there. You weren't. I know what I'm talking about.


YO ujust admitted that you only seen the kids that you were thowing candy to not the ones with birth defects from all the fucking depleted uranium you are spreading all over the place and now you go back to avoiding my point again.


Real0ne:Unfortunately this board wont allow me to post the pics of the brains falling out of some poor babies head and eyes the size of tennis balls because some perv will probly jerk to it so I cant show you up close and personal.

This is what I was talking about when I mentioned selective news reporting. Or worse, some conspiracy nut website on the internet speculating about what happened in pictures coming out of Iraq.

Our rules of engagement prohibit us from firing on unarmed civilians. We don't open fire on a hostile until we have positive identification of their hostile intent. We don't shoot innocent men, women and children.

The Anti Iraqi Force, on the other hand, will not hesitate to slaughter a bunch of kids just so that they could get to the one or two soldiers in their midst. This is one major reason to why their population overwhelmingly turned against the terrorists.

Conspiracy theorists, and radical news organizations, would take casualties, caused by terrorists, and try to pin blame on the coalition.

Regardless of what your websites tell you, I saw none of that. All I saw were healthy children, with full use of their body parts. If you still doubt this, remember which one of us was recently there.



You dont get it.  I dont watch the news.  Fuck I dont even watch tv its nothing but trash. I did see the helo cam so you dont need to tell me what they saw because I saw the same whit they did only the piss poor youtube blurry version not the tack sharp helo version and I could see there was no threat and how these idiots slaughtered those reporters and murdered children.  Lawless fucktards with no damn respect for life.



Real0ne: Shall we talk about all the vets with DU poisoning (aka gulf syndrome), from the original theater? The ones who cannot nor can their wives/girlfriends give blood due to exposure or are you going to evade that one with a you did not see any of those people either?

One. This isn't the Gulf War. Two. Unlike the Gulf War, we've been in Iraq longer, done operations in Iraq longer, and have been exposed to Iraq longer. None of us are suffering from "Gulf War Syndrome." None of the Iraqis that I saw showed evidence of suffering those effects either.

I did see a blind man there, but his blindness was due to causes unrelated to human activity.

Remember, I've done combat patrols through their cities and country side... I'm telling you what I saw. It doesn't match your assumptions of what's in Iraq.


Well the syndrome is the same because the radiactivity is the same and I was talking about after 911.
 

Real0ne: So just blow them the fuck away eh?  Because they didnt follow some fucking rule?  No harm no foul, no hard feelings just business as usual right? 

Go to a gunfight between two gangs, and flash a toy gun at them after they've been at it for half an hour or more. Or, flash something that has a silhouette that could pass as a weapon... let's see how far you'd get. Common sense is still applicable in Iraq, as it is in the United States.

Yes, it's dangerous out there. Why, in God's name, will you go out there with commercial assets, when you could ride with the military? Where it's safer? I've seen the press in Iraq, they've got distinct markings that sets them apart from everybody else. This is almost like going out in traffic, in pitch black, without wearing a reflective belt. You're asking for trouble.

I take it that you've never been in a situation, a constant situation, where you had to act quick for the sake of your survival.


So now you want claim they were not press because they did not have correct markings?  What they were under cover insrugents that just happened to be real reporters?  Hey that film showed it all.  they were not even paying attention to those assholes in the helo.  Say what you want the footage is the footage and no amount of your bullshit and waxing it over will change what we can all see for ourselves.  No new reporter involved.


Real0ne: Even on that shitty blurry flv on you tube I can see that there were children in the front seat of the van and those chopper cams are fucking tack sharp with zoom you can pick a fucking zit with so who you trying to bullshit here?

Did you even watch the video?

It starts with a bunch of people walking, the pilots identify them with weapons. Then one or two make like they're attacking the choppers... the choppers respond accordingly. They identify the two people that were reporters; however, you're conveniently forgetting the fact that these guys tend to double up as "regular citizens" and "hostiles."

Let's see, people shoot at you, or make the appearance of shooting at you, then they pick up a phone to make calls... him to spot you and call in their battles maybe?

When you're out in sector, and you're engaging someone that had just fired at you, or has made the appearance of firing at you, you're focused on one thing... eliminating the threat. You don't have time to sit there and nickel and dime what's going on. The time you spend fumbling with the "zoom" could be more than enough time for the hostiles to fire an RKG at you.

No there is the appearance of some dumb assed kid scared of his own shadow playing rambo on his video game.  Thats what I saw and my version was blurry as shit youtube and I could see there was no threat.  You fucking people are so fucked up you start seeing things just for an excuse to waste people because you have a license to murder with impunity.


There's the appearance of one in the beginning of the video.

Well a fucking stick would appear like one to a rambo idhit now wouldnt it.


I saw the front of the van to, you couldn't tell if those were kids, or accomplices. Not all kids are innocent, just talk to the kids that threatened to kill a couple of my battles for refusing to spare them some of our trash while at the burn pit.

I'm not trying to bullshit anybody, just giving the audience the facts, based on my experiences over there. The real question is this.

How dare you, after having not ben there recently, question my first hand observation of what's going on there based on your second hand information? Who are YOU trying to bullshit?


How dare you question my ability to read the same video you got the crystal clear version of and I could see there was no threat.  Who the hell do you think you are?  You pretend I heard this from media and I watched the fucking video and was franklyu shocked that this kind of slaughter goes on.

Then when they were down they made damn sure they were all dead with what 2 more salvos.  Then when people tried to rescue the one person who was not dead you fuckers killed all them too.

I suppose they had rpg's stuffed up there asses right?

They zoomed right in on the littel kids in front.

Stop pretending I got this from some news source and man up to the fact this is worse than fucking nazis.



Real0ne: Then shooting the rescuers who clearly were trying to rescue the living?

The hostiles have a bad habit of shooting at you, then falling back and acting as if they're innocent bystanders. If you shoot one of them, and they fall back, they come back... with the help of their battles, pretending that they were innocent bystanders that were shot by accident. Apparently, you haven't had to deal with that.

Yeh I know the routine but again there was no threat, just some dumb shit trigger happy rambo kids opinion of the "appearance" of a threat.


Real0ne: You justify a fucking massacre in the name of "they didnt follow the rules".  What the fuck is wrong with you?

Again, did you even bother watching the video? The two people that were identified as being "press" didn't look like they were from the press, they didn't look like the people over there that represented the press. They didn't follow the rules, and didn't give any indication that they weren't hostile. Again, common sense. Mother Nature has a way of weeding out the stupid.

Like how to the iraqis do that carry a fucking sign on the back saying hey I am not hostile while some tard on his video game is playing "GIT SUM"?  There was not threat.  there was no implied threat and the shit you talk about aint the reports I am getting back and I believe the people over that I know I can trust to give me the straight skinny not someone who justifies wholesale murder.



I side with the pilots, who acted the way they should've acted out in sector.

What's "wrong" with me? I've done combat operations out in sector, where, unlike you where you could drive by a dead animal, or a clump of trash, without second thought, I have to swerve around and put alot of distance, and deal with my heart skipping a beat or two. That scene in the video represented a hostile scene, which forced our pilots to act accordingly.


Bullshit.  good sounding bullshit but bullshit none the less.  There are no rules that predicate you crawling up their asses so close they can take you out.  Its a clean sweep operation and we both know it.


Real0ne: fuck you dont.

You don't, I know that for a fact, I've been there. When you're in a hostile environment like that, your mind is focused on things like survival. That pilot heard gunfire, and saw the people on the ground get into fighting positions before the choppers rounded the corner. You're engaged in a gunfight where one of two things could happen... you get killed or you prevail and move on.

"before they got there" unclear and no danger present.  I would say that too if I fucked up eh?  didnt show up on the recording.  Are we like talking super man or what?


Every little second counts, and every action you take has to contribute to defeating the enemy.

Had they laid their arms down, and surrendered, that whole scene wouldn't have happened.


oh so the us military informed all the iraqis that they wont get slaughtered if they keep their arms down right?  How the fuck do you know?  they didnt have their arms up and that is the posture if you wanna take out a helo.  No rpgs or anything that even looked close to an rpg.  No weapons.


Real0ne: bird pursued those people not the other way around.  Clearly they were just strolling around, even some crazed rambo fuckhead could see that. 

WRONG.

That bird was on patrol when they came across this group. I saw that video, and I saw them get into threatening positions on the ground. The pilot saw armed people, and heard gunfire.


Armed?  Yeh right thats why they had to waste every motherfucker that came near them including the rescuers so the story would stick.  Dont jerk me and try to play me for the fool man. again there is no record of gunfore on the tape.


Real0ne: was no evidence of weapons or threat,

Did you not see the AKs that the people were carrying in the video? Did you not see the launcher? There was no fucking launcher. Don't let yourself get fooled by the editors pointing to what looked like a camera, people were there carrying weapons...  Bullshit there were no weapons and no resemblemce to weapons.

And the Anti Iraqi Force has a habit of having camera men with them to record their attacks.



Great story man!  Bravo!  great performance.  One problem you wasted a bunch of real reporters and kids not insurgents so your story is bullshit and you have no way out but to man up.


Real0ne: and when you are in a copter you have all the convenience of watching it on tv from a safe distance so

Not when you're in a hostile situation you don't. You do realize that they've taken choppers down with RPG, do you? Where they were at wasn't exactly "safe" from fire. You don't have that much time to react, and from the video, the "camera" could easily pass as a weapon.

again I seen no threat the tape has no gunshots as claimed.




Real0ne: need to spew horse shit all over my post.

Don't mistake facts for horse shit, and definitely don't mistake your horse shit for facts.

Oh I wont mistake your bullshit cover for truth either and you can believe it.


Real0ne: Then your shoot to kill policy, what the fuck is up with that. 

A dead terrorist won't try to kill you in the future.

Hey fuck you with your terrorist bullshit.  Im not scared.  I have more fear of the fucking reatard pdychopaths coming back than I ever will of the people over there.  I heard enough bullshit in the last 10 years to last me 5 fucking lifetimes.

Real0ne: They were down and out of commission and those fuckers just plain murdered those people. 

If you paid attention to the tape, the pilots were going to spare the wounded until able bodied people came into the scene. Then they fired at the SUV. Yes, the bad guys do drive those around. Again, enemy combatants have a bad habit getting into the fight, then withdrawing and pretending that they weren't involved with the fight at all.

KILL EM ALL AND LET GOD SORT EM OUT!!!

Yeh I read you loud and clear pal.


Real0ne: Do you fucking kids even know the difference. 

Speaks volumes about your age if you could call a 40 year old a "kid." To answer your question, we know how to react in a hostile environment. I don't see any of what you try to describe in the video... but I do see what made the pilots concerned, and I see it in context of my understanding of how these people do things.

yeh you could be my kid junior.

Real0ne: The whole damn thing was misreported so they could waste them.

No, only a part of the scene was captured, and displayed to the public. They didn't show the entire scene, the sequence of events that lead to the choppers, and other assets, zeroing in on that area. The only misrepresentation was from the website, not the military. If you've been in the TOC, you'd recognize that scene as selective reporting.

Remember, people shooting at you... then acting innocent.

Again, those reporters weren't using their heads.


It shows the only solution in your mind is waste them.  now you claim to have seen a gun and earlier you correctly used the word appeared.  since they did not have any.  since they were bonifide reporters there is nothing you can say at this point to justify what happened except that it was mass murder and then wasting people in the van who also showed no threat is a fuckign atrocity of nazi proprotions.   Now we get these fucking lunatic rambos coming home to live in our society.


Real0ne: Thanks for the news on the eastern front heir commandant.

I prefer my first hand accounts, and those of my battles, over an organization that could successfully deceive the viewers.


yeh well the video showed it all and there was no excuse for slaughting them even if they were iraqis they need to hang who ever was involved. and spare me the being under fire bullshit as if I dont know the drill ok.

Man up this country will now go down in history following the wonderful eisengruppen tradition with the american twist.  If you ever examine nurmenburg you would know they would have your pals on the end of a rope for war crimes.
 


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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 11:28:38 PM   
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HAND SALUTE! TWO!
Welcome home and *THANKYOU* FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY!
After Iraq is cleaned up how do you think the guys would like to go down to Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and Calif along the border? They could sure use you guys down there!
And what do you do for "a little female company" (wink, wink) in Iraq?


Thanks.

In order for us to secure the border, you guys have to fight to repeal the Posse Comitatus Act, or have a national emergency declared for those areas due to illegal immigration. For now, securing the border is the domain for the border patrol, for the sheriff, state police, and the national guard while not working in a federal capacity... depending on what each of those states desire.

As for female company, that's hard to come by when you're in an infantry outpost. But, once you get to the major FOBS, you have Air Force women, as well as civilian women.



Chair, posse committatus doesn't apply in that situation. Bush (already) had Troops down there a few years ago but only for six months or so and not exactly "on" the border.
I remember reading something about the Army being in existance to "stem invaisions" and this certainly qualifies as an invaision in anyone's book.
We could have that entire border locked down tight just like S. Korea's if Obama would put Troops there but he's just another lacky for big business it seems.
Funny, we guard S. Korea's border but not our own? Hell, we were even guarding Iraq's border with Syria and Iran! Unbelievable!
People are getting angrier by the day at the current state of affairs. That's a "good" thing, you guys will have a lot of new managers in Washington after November.
So, do they have "Gentlemen's Clubs" in Iraq?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 5/5/2010 11:43:34 PM   
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popeye,

dont you think its ironic that they have the north american corridor in the works for public viewing 14 pages deep on the whitehouse website at the time and at the same time the big push for protecting the borders?

Do you see the irony in the double think?

they always give people both sides at the same time.  It shorts one side of the brain while connecting with the other regardless of which side of the isle people fall on.

some people connect with the open borders, others connect the failure to protect them, others connect woth NAU and never put it together when in fact the plan was to leave them open all along.

its SOP state terrorism against the people.


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