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Real0ne: Still sovereign? who are you trying to kid aside from yourself?
Let's simplify this.
ME: Combat deployed to Iraq, recently been in country 7 1/2 months prior to returning to the US on R and R. Have seen Iraq's democracy, and self rule, in action.
And you think a commie assed democracy is a good thing? Do you have any clue what that word even means? Do you have any clue that this country is a republic? As a republic why woudl we establish a democracy there?
You: Sitting in the comfort of your home, going off second hand information from 10 to 20 second news sound bites from your selected news source.
The real question is this, "who do YOU think YOU'RE kidding?" Another question... SERIOUS?!?!?!
I've seen their self rule in action, plain and simple. I've seen them function the way I've seen local governments in the US function.
Oh yeh? You arent privy to the legislation behind anything and you are dealing with an 2 card deck and dont even know it.
Real0ne: The iraqi children that you saw? ok nice qualifier to say all is well when you dont know.
Again, I've seen these kids with my own eyes, and have interacted with them, in person. You haven't. How is it that I'M the one that doesn't know? And here you are, not having been there recently (possibly not at all), trying to lecture me as if you know better.
Time for simplification.
I was there. You weren't. I know what I'm talking about.
YO ujust admitted that you only seen the kids that you were thowing candy to not the ones with birth defects from all the fucking depleted uranium you are spreading all over the place and now you go back to avoiding my point again.
Real0ne:Unfortunately this board wont allow me to post the pics of the brains falling out of some poor babies head and eyes the size of tennis balls because some perv will probly jerk to it so I cant show you up close and personal.
This is what I was talking about when I mentioned selective news reporting. Or worse, some conspiracy nut website on the internet speculating about what happened in pictures coming out of Iraq.
Our rules of engagement prohibit us from firing on unarmed civilians. We don't open fire on a hostile until we have positive identification of their hostile intent. We don't shoot innocent men, women and children.
The Anti Iraqi Force, on the other hand, will not hesitate to slaughter a bunch of kids just so that they could get to the one or two soldiers in their midst. This is one major reason to why their population overwhelmingly turned against the terrorists.
Conspiracy theorists, and radical news organizations, would take casualties, caused by terrorists, and try to pin blame on the coalition.
Regardless of what your websites tell you, I saw none of that. All I saw were healthy children, with full use of their body parts. If you still doubt this, remember which one of us was recently there.
You dont get it. I dont watch the news. Fuck I dont even watch tv its nothing but trash. I did see the helo cam so you dont need to tell me what they saw because I saw the same whit they did only the piss poor youtube blurry version not the tack sharp helo version and I could see there was no threat and how these idiots slaughtered those reporters and murdered children. Lawless fucktards with no damn respect for life.
Real0ne: Shall we talk about all the vets with DU poisoning (aka gulf syndrome), from the original theater? The ones who cannot nor can their wives/girlfriends give blood due to exposure or are you going to evade that one with a you did not see any of those people either?
One. This isn't the Gulf War. Two. Unlike the Gulf War, we've been in Iraq longer, done operations in Iraq longer, and have been exposed to Iraq longer. None of us are suffering from "Gulf War Syndrome." None of the Iraqis that I saw showed evidence of suffering those effects either.
I did see a blind man there, but his blindness was due to causes unrelated to human activity.
Remember, I've done combat patrols through their cities and country side... I'm telling you what I saw. It doesn't match your assumptions of what's in Iraq.
Well the syndrome is the same because the radiactivity is the same and I was talking about after 911.
Real0ne: So just blow them the fuck away eh? Because they didnt follow some fucking rule? No harm no foul, no hard feelings just business as usual right?
Go to a gunfight between two gangs, and flash a toy gun at them after they've been at it for half an hour or more. Or, flash something that has a silhouette that could pass as a weapon... let's see how far you'd get. Common sense is still applicable in Iraq, as it is in the United States.
Yes, it's dangerous out there. Why, in God's name, will you go out there with commercial assets, when you could ride with the military? Where it's safer? I've seen the press in Iraq, they've got distinct markings that sets them apart from everybody else. This is almost like going out in traffic, in pitch black, without wearing a reflective belt. You're asking for trouble.
I take it that you've never been in a situation, a constant situation, where you had to act quick for the sake of your survival.
So now you want claim they were not press because they did not have correct markings? What they were under cover insrugents that just happened to be real reporters? Hey that film showed it all. they were not even paying attention to those assholes in the helo. Say what you want the footage is the footage and no amount of your bullshit and waxing it over will change what we can all see for ourselves. No new reporter involved.
Real0ne: Even on that shitty blurry flv on you tube I can see that there were children in the front seat of the van and those chopper cams are fucking tack sharp with zoom you can pick a fucking zit with so who you trying to bullshit here?
Did you even watch the video?
It starts with a bunch of people walking, the pilots identify them with weapons. Then one or two make like they're attacking the choppers... the choppers respond accordingly. They identify the two people that were reporters; however, you're conveniently forgetting the fact that these guys tend to double up as "regular citizens" and "hostiles."
Let's see, people shoot at you, or make the appearance of shooting at you, then they pick up a phone to make calls... him to spot you and call in their battles maybe?
When you're out in sector, and you're engaging someone that had just fired at you, or has made the appearance of firing at you, you're focused on one thing... eliminating the threat. You don't have time to sit there and nickel and dime what's going on. The time you spend fumbling with the "zoom" could be more than enough time for the hostiles to fire an RKG at you.
No there is the appearance of some dumb assed kid scared of his own shadow playing rambo on his video game. Thats what I saw and my version was blurry as shit youtube and I could see there was no threat. You fucking people are so fucked up you start seeing things just for an excuse to waste people because you have a license to murder with impunity.
There's the appearance of one in the beginning of the video.
Well a fucking stick would appear like one to a rambo idhit now wouldnt it.
I saw the front of the van to, you couldn't tell if those were kids, or accomplices. Not all kids are innocent, just talk to the kids that threatened to kill a couple of my battles for refusing to spare them some of our trash while at the burn pit.
I'm not trying to bullshit anybody, just giving the audience the facts, based on my experiences over there. The real question is this.
How dare you, after having not ben there recently, question my first hand observation of what's going on there based on your second hand information? Who are YOU trying to bullshit?
How dare you question my ability to read the same video you got the crystal clear version of and I could see there was no threat. Who the hell do you think you are? You pretend I heard this from media and I watched the fucking video and was franklyu shocked that this kind of slaughter goes on.
Then when they were down they made damn sure they were all dead with what 2 more salvos. Then when people tried to rescue the one person who was not dead you fuckers killed all them too.
I suppose they had rpg's stuffed up there asses right?
They zoomed right in on the littel kids in front.
Stop pretending I got this from some news source and man up to the fact this is worse than fucking nazis.
Real0ne: Then shooting the rescuers who clearly were trying to rescue the living?
The hostiles have a bad habit of shooting at you, then falling back and acting as if they're innocent bystanders. If you shoot one of them, and they fall back, they come back... with the help of their battles, pretending that they were innocent bystanders that were shot by accident. Apparently, you haven't had to deal with that.
Yeh I know the routine but again there was no threat, just some dumb shit trigger happy rambo kids opinion of the "appearance" of a threat.
Real0ne: You justify a fucking massacre in the name of "they didnt follow the rules". What the fuck is wrong with you?
Again, did you even bother watching the video? The two people that were identified as being "press" didn't look like they were from the press, they didn't look like the people over there that represented the press. They didn't follow the rules, and didn't give any indication that they weren't hostile. Again, common sense. Mother Nature has a way of weeding out the stupid.
Like how to the iraqis do that carry a fucking sign on the back saying hey I am not hostile while some tard on his video game is playing "GIT SUM"? There was not threat. there was no implied threat and the shit you talk about aint the reports I am getting back and I believe the people over that I know I can trust to give me the straight skinny not someone who justifies wholesale murder.
I side with the pilots, who acted the way they should've acted out in sector.
What's "wrong" with me? I've done combat operations out in sector, where, unlike you where you could drive by a dead animal, or a clump of trash, without second thought, I have to swerve around and put alot of distance, and deal with my heart skipping a beat or two. That scene in the video represented a hostile scene, which forced our pilots to act accordingly.
Bullshit. good sounding bullshit but bullshit none the less. There are no rules that predicate you crawling up their asses so close they can take you out. Its a clean sweep operation and we both know it.
Real0ne: fuck you dont.
You don't, I know that for a fact, I've been there. When you're in a hostile environment like that, your mind is focused on things like survival. That pilot heard gunfire, and saw the people on the ground get into fighting positions before the choppers rounded the corner. You're engaged in a gunfight where one of two things could happen... you get killed or you prevail and move on.
"before they got there" unclear and no danger present. I would say that too if I fucked up eh? didnt show up on the recording. Are we like talking super man or what?
Every little second counts, and every action you take has to contribute to defeating the enemy.
Had they laid their arms down, and surrendered, that whole scene wouldn't have happened.
oh so the us military informed all the iraqis that they wont get slaughtered if they keep their arms down right? How the fuck do you know? they didnt have their arms up and that is the posture if you wanna take out a helo. No rpgs or anything that even looked close to an rpg. No weapons.
Real0ne: bird pursued those people not the other way around. Clearly they were just strolling around, even some crazed rambo fuckhead could see that.
WRONG.
That bird was on patrol when they came across this group. I saw that video, and I saw them get into threatening positions on the ground. The pilot saw armed people, and heard gunfire.
Armed? Yeh right thats why they had to waste every motherfucker that came near them including the rescuers so the story would stick. Dont jerk me and try to play me for the fool man. again there is no record of gunfore on the tape.
Real0ne: was no evidence of weapons or threat,
Did you not see the AKs that the people were carrying in the video? Did you not see the launcher? There was no fucking launcher. Don't let yourself get fooled by the editors pointing to what looked like a camera, people were there carrying weapons... Bullshit there were no weapons and no resemblemce to weapons.
And the Anti Iraqi Force has a habit of having camera men with them to record their attacks.
Great story man! Bravo! great performance. One problem you wasted a bunch of real reporters and kids not insurgents so your story is bullshit and you have no way out but to man up.
Real0ne: and when you are in a copter you have all the convenience of watching it on tv from a safe distance so
Not when you're in a hostile situation you don't. You do realize that they've taken choppers down with RPG, do you? Where they were at wasn't exactly "safe" from fire. You don't have that much time to react, and from the video, the "camera" could easily pass as a weapon.
again I seen no threat the tape has no gunshots as claimed.
Real0ne: need to spew horse shit all over my post.
Don't mistake facts for horse shit, and definitely don't mistake your horse shit for facts.
Oh I wont mistake your bullshit cover for truth either and you can believe it.
Real0ne: Then your shoot to kill policy, what the fuck is up with that.
A dead terrorist won't try to kill you in the future.
Hey fuck you with your terrorist bullshit. Im not scared. I have more fear of the fucking reatard pdychopaths coming back than I ever will of the people over there. I heard enough bullshit in the last 10 years to last me 5 fucking lifetimes.
Real0ne: They were down and out of commission and those fuckers just plain murdered those people.
If you paid attention to the tape, the pilots were going to spare the wounded until able bodied people came into the scene. Then they fired at the SUV. Yes, the bad guys do drive those around. Again, enemy combatants have a bad habit getting into the fight, then withdrawing and pretending that they weren't involved with the fight at all.
KILL EM ALL AND LET GOD SORT EM OUT!!!
Yeh I read you loud and clear pal.
Real0ne: Do you fucking kids even know the difference.
Speaks volumes about your age if you could call a 40 year old a "kid."  To answer your question, we know how to react in a hostile environment. I don't see any of what you try to describe in the video... but I do see what made the pilots concerned, and I see it in context of my understanding of how these people do things.
yeh you could be my kid junior.
Real0ne: The whole damn thing was misreported so they could waste them.
No, only a part of the scene was captured, and displayed to the public. They didn't show the entire scene, the sequence of events that lead to the choppers, and other assets, zeroing in on that area. The only misrepresentation was from the website, not the military. If you've been in the TOC, you'd recognize that scene as selective reporting.
Remember, people shooting at you... then acting innocent.
Again, those reporters weren't using their heads.
It shows the only solution in your mind is waste them. now you claim to have seen a gun and earlier you correctly used the word appeared. since they did not have any. since they were bonifide reporters there is nothing you can say at this point to justify what happened except that it was mass murder and then wasting people in the van who also showed no threat is a fuckign atrocity of nazi proprotions. Now we get these fucking lunatic rambos coming home to live in our society.
Real0ne: Thanks for the news on the eastern front heir commandant.
I prefer my first hand accounts, and those of my battles, over an organization that could successfully deceive the viewers.
yeh well the video showed it all and there was no excuse for slaughting them even if they were iraqis they need to hang who ever was involved. and spare me the being under fire bullshit as if I dont know the drill ok.
Man up this country will now go down in history following the wonderful eisengruppen tradition with the american twist. If you ever examine nurmenburg you would know they would have your pals on the end of a rope for war crimes.
It takes a man to man up...which leaves you out.
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