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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:09:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

The general says he is getting a bunch of computer game playing pussies. Spin that how you choose.
The general says you are full of shit

Let me remind you of what you asked me:

"What is the quality of the new recruits being sent to you?" --thompsonx

My response to you:

"I've got no major complaints about the quality of new privates coming to our unit. But again, we're infantry." -herfacechair

What LadyPact observed while she attended her son's graduation:

Last week, I returned from a trip to Columbus, GA (Ft Benning) to be at his graduation. Now, of course, I'm not some great military mind, but again, I'm going to disagree with your ally Lt General Hurling. If those men that I saw standing on the field, My son included, were "soft" when they went in, they sure weren't on that day. They were damn physically fit. There's no question in My mind that they were in better shape than their civilian counter parts. --LadyPact

OK, let's take this real slow so that you could hopefully understand what's going on.

You asked me about the quality of "recruits" I was getting. You DIDN'T ask me about the recruits that the BCT's were receiving. Your article referenced what the BCTs were getting, not what I was receiving.

Hence, my question challenging you to find, where in the article, the general says that I'm "full of shit." Quotations used strongly off course.

Now, let's revisit one of the things the general said:

"this is a decline in our American society in terms of their physical capacity."

You're a part of American society, if our physical capacity has "declined," and if you interpret that as the new recruits being "pussies," wouldn't that make you an old pussy?

The generations preceding yours described yours as being soft, and could relate to harder times. Yet, people from your generation joined the military and served no problem. This goes back to what I said earlier, this is an issue that keeps coming up with each generation, it's nothing new.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:11:48 PM

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thompsonx: I am sure you have a point but if you keep your hat on perhaps no one will notice.

Tell that one brain cell of yours to quit trying to take you over and to start doing its job... so that you could see the blatantly obvious point I made. Instead, your posts make you come across as if you're possessed by a retarded ghost.

thompsonx: He was there now he is here. He is a three star general with decorations for spilling his own blood and spilling others blood.

Key words, HE IS HERE. Everything else is beside the point. He talks about the people he's getting. You used this in reply to my answering your question about the people I'M receiving. He was HERE, I was THERE. Your question was applicable to the privates I was receiving OUT THERE. Got it?

The fact that you'd ignore my first-hand accounts and the fact that I've recently combat deployed there, yet you'd turn around and trump the general's deployment experience, speaks volumes about your lack of integrity and hypocrisy.

thompsonx: Now he is charged with recruiting and training your replacements and you do not seem to feel he is qualified to offer his assessment.

Do I need to hire a retard interpreter to simplify my posts so that the stupid could understand what I'm getting across?

My replies emphasize the fact that your question asked me about the people I'M getting, NOT the people HE'S getting. Again, what you asked me: "What is the quality of the new recruits being sent to you?" --thompsonx

Do you see the underlined part? And if you're not going to respect the fact that I'm qualified to make assessments on our debate subject, given the fact that I've recently deployed to Iraq, you've got no legs to stand on.

thompsonx: Perhaps they should make you the general and him the rifleman since you are obviously so much more qualified than he.

When it comes to the quality of new privates that I'M getting; privates who've graduated AIT and schools enroute; soldiers from other units, yes, I'm more qualified to answer questions dealing with new soldiers coming to my unit. As soon as they're detached from their last TRADOC command, they're out of the general's hands unless they do something stupid before getting to their first permanent station. Again, what you asked me:

"What is the quality of the new recruits being sent to you?" --thompsonx

WHERE, in YOUR statement, does it ask me for the quality of new recruits that your general received?

Hence the focus of my replies, you used the wrong reference to address the quality of soldiers that I'm receiving.

"He is the one who says you are full of shit and I am prone to agree with him" -thompsonx

"The general thinks you and your opinion of the quality of the replacements is flawed" --thompsonx

Show me WHERE, in your linked articles, the general says what you claim he says.

If you read your articles, you'd notice that he talks about the quality of recruits that arrive at BCT, not the quality of the privates that report to a line unit. Your failure to answer my question, truthfully and factually, will be your silently admitting that you don't have an argument.

Your talking about "replacements" is another example of you grasping for straws. You need to read your sources with the intentions of understanding what they say... instead of what you want them to read.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:14:04 PM

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Lets see he was there.
He is a three star general.
He is a west point graduate.
And you know more than he does....you are really full of yourself.
Maybe you should email him and tell him how full of shit he is?

Now, for the elephant in the room that you consistently ignore. Yes, he was there, but he's not there RIGHT NOW. Take it away thompsonx:

"He was there now he is here." --thompsonx

Did you see the part that I underlined? Your question was applicable to people I received, not the people that the general received.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:16:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Zevar

Greetings HFC:

In reading this thread that you began I was reminded of the following:

"Many soldiers are led to faulty ideas of war by knowing too much about too little."
General George Smith Patton, Jr., U.S. Army

Negative numbnuts, that wasn't meant for someone that has combat deployed, who subsequently relayed his experiences in a discussion and debate. What I'm doing here is not that much different in concept than what Patton or others like him did when they came back.

No you are exactly the myopic moron patton was referencing

Wrong, dumbass, he was referencing people who've never combat deployed; people like you who's posts painfully show their lack of understanding of what's going on in the combat zone that we're debating about. You're PRECISELY one of the types of people he had in mind when he made that comment. You, and others like you on this thread, had a mouthful to say, yet the majority of what you said didn't came anywhere near reality as I observed it while over there.

THAT'S an example of what he was talking about.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:19:05 PM

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You're replying to a post generated by a man who insinuates that he combat deployed to Vietnam. Had he been a veteran, he would've seen from that article what I pointed out in this thread in response to his bringing that link up.

I did not insinuate anything. I said I spent a couple of years in vietnam...1965-67

Your posts don't do that claim any justice, that's why I dismiss your efforts to claim such as "insinuations."

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:21:36 PM

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He gets them and trains them and says they are a bunch of vidio game playing pussies which he sends to you

What he actually said:

"New recruits will receive more extensive training in hand-to-hand skills like kicking, punching and holds to prepare recruits for that kind of close combat that Hertling expects our soldiers to "be in for a very long time."

Nowhere in that statement does he say that he's going to send "video game playing pussies" downrange.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:26:45 PM

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thompsonx: Perhaps you should learn how to read. I have offered the assessment of someone who is in a position to know...her position is opinion...you do not seem to know the difference.

No, you offered the assessment of someone in TRADOC with regards to the soldiers he was getting. Remember, you asked me for the quality of recruits I was getting, not the quality of recruits that the general was getting. LadyPact provided her observation, which isn't opinion but fact. She described what she saw, and her description fit the question asking me about the quality of recruits I was getting. What she saw on the parade field? Those are the people that I get, not the ones that the general gets.

Know what constitutes a fact and an opinion before accusing someone of not knowing the difference.

thompsonx: You provide no evidence you only offer rhetoric

If this were the case, you wouldn't have problems answering my questions without providing me with your SPIN. Your failure to address those questions truthfully and factually constitutes silent admittance, on your part, that you've got no argument.

thompsonx: I only have issues with those who peddle bullshit as reality...you know kinda like you

Then you should have issues with yourself then. As one of my evidence, I advance the comments you make regarding what the general has said. What's really going on is that you have issues with people destroying your argument. You get further offended when more than one person goes up against you.

thompsonx: No she is providing opinion just like you

A description based on what we've each observed doesn't constitute opinion, but fact. The events we talked about happened, that's fact, not opinion. Now, insinuating that the general voiced his opinion about what I've said when the article doesn't support such claims? THAT'S opinion, I'm being generous at that one.

thompsonx: I have not questioned her right to post.

You insinuated that she should go along with your "agree to disagree" statement. By logical extension, you wanted her to stop commenting on the topic she wanted to talk about. Your intentions were clear.

thompsonx: So far you have not "destroyed" anyone's arguement.

I've destroyed people's arguments on this thread the moment they chose to argue against me. For example, you claimed that the General told me that I was "full of shit." After reading the article, I saw no entry that supported your claim. I challenged you to go back to the article to find where he actually said that. You've failed to do so. For your opinion about me "not" destroying anyone's argument to be true, you'd successfully find where the General told me that I was "full of shit."

What you're doing here is setting stress shields up. Your intellect is telling you that I pulverized your argument. Your ego, on the other hand, isn't having any of that, so you end up trying to rationalize an irrational position, so that you don't feel "as wrong." What you're really doing is blowing hot air in response just to give yourself a false sense of "not" being beat.

thompsonx: All you have done is prove your ignorance.

Don't dismiss facts and first hand observations as "ignorance." Don't let your ego get the best of you, that's what really talking through you when you dismiss me as "ignorant," when you could take a dignified course of action instead. Of course, I don't expect that to happen anytime soon, your ego is too large to swallow.

thompsonx: She may do as she pleases

Great, that means she could disregard this:

"I have mentioned before that I would agree to disagree on this subject since you are not willing to consider any point besides your own opinion...if that wont work for you then you might consider using the block button." -thompsonx

thompsonx: Cuz she is hawt and I enjoy perving her avitar...

Tracking, I guess that's the only way you could get up and close to a hot woman... by putting your face near her picture on your computer screen.

thompsonx: yours is just a rat with wings.

Not a good idea to prove that you have poor eyesight; in the same sentence you say that someone is hot.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:30:57 PM

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That is the difference between amatures like yourself and the professionals.
The ucmj is the "book" and punks who think barracks justice is how the military works do not understand the word discipline.
Discipline is the difference between a mob and professional warriors.
You obviously are part of the former which may be the reason for your singular lack of success in your current endeavor in the sandbox.

I was talking about a serious form of corrective training used to set people straight... like a senior NCO knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made.

Enlisted men striking officers is your idea of how the military is suppose to work.
This is why you are and always be an amature

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:33:18 PM

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Greetings HFC:

Consider this Marine saying:

I was that which others did not want to be, I went where others feared to go and did what others failed to do, I asked nothing from those that gave nothing and reluctantly accepted the thought of eternal loneliness should I fail, I have cried, pained and hoped; but most of all I have lived times others would say are best forgotten. At least one day I can be proud of what I was and will ALWAYS be..."A United States Marine!"

What he says is applicable to any service member that choses the sacrifices involved with the military, and its missions, over the comforts of life that the majority of society enjoys.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:37:56 PM

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Yes, you're misunderstanding me, I never said that I'll be in Iraq for two years, what I actually said:

"I'm back, this time for 2 years instead of 2 weeks!" --herfacechair

I'm still a bit confused on that. How did you manage to get two weeks home just prior to your return? Not that it's of any consequence, really. It's just My understanding that there is a window there.

My unit was originally scheduled to redeploy back to the United States before September 1, 2010. They scheduled the last leave block for the last half of May. See my leave R & R in that context, that R & R was available under the assumption that we were going to be in country for another 3 months.

Now, our deployment ran into factors, like treaty requirements, as well as mission accomplishment/conditions on the ground, etc. It all worked out to where we turned our area of operations over to the Iraqis early. Our success basically "placed us out of a job." On the other side of the coin, there's precedence where units got their deployments extended. There were talks about moving us to another AO.

So what do you do to the leave periods that are no longer months away from redeployment, but now less than 2 months? Those soldiers could be told, "nope, sorry, you're within the X month window to redeployment, so you're not going on leave!" Just to have the deployment extended.

Allowing people to go on R and R as if we were going to redeploy right b before September 1 guarded against that scenario. Heck, we had one guy in our battalion come back from R and R... 7 days before our scheduled redeployment.

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What I said earlier in this thread:

"The majority of the posters on this message board are either immediately to the left of center left to the far left. Those that are in the center, and to the right are in the minority on this message board." -- herfacechair

To be very clear, My purpose in asking that is, as a member of a military family, I've actually found that people were very supportive of Me and Mine. Granted, I don't dip My toe into this section often, but people on the site in general have always offered their best wishes.

What I said to LaTigresse:

If you've known people who served, or are currently associated with anybody that served, you would've never wished that on someone that you don't personally know. Every person I've known/met, who have friends/family in the military, never wished for my harm... they wished me luck and prayed for my safe return. --herfacechair

What I said to you, which you didn't include in your quote above:

"I'm arguing from the center right, which draws comments mainly from people on the far left, some from people in the center left. Together, these are the people attacking me, their posts constitute the majority on this thread. There were plenty of posters that came here and thanked me for my service. One of them wasn't sincere about it, as evident by her turning around and attacking me. Another one was being sarcastic when he "thanked" me. Both of us are arguing with him right now." --herfacechair

You do see the bolded red statements, do you?

The point that I was getting at, with both statements, is that out there, in the real world, or here, with people in the political center (left or right), or people on the right, I get the best wishes and support.

The people on the far left, the ones that I'm debating with here? They have a deep seated hatred for the military. Many here won't admit it. The people I'm arguing with represent the side of the argument that opposes the Iraq War, and wish for its failure. They extend that hatred to me... especially since I represent boots on the ground testimony that goes against their beliefs. It's like this on this board, and it's like this in the real world.

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ORIGINAL: herfacechair

After you read these two, go back to the last sentence of the first quote, that's how I see things when someone implies, or suggests, that I'm doing this because I'm ordered to do it. This will tell you why I didn't take the "following orders" approach. The number of times I wanted to do it? ZERO.

This is just a personal thing of Mine that makes Me chuckle. Even though it is a Politics and Religion section, it's still a BDSM forum. I tend to find it funny that, as such, there tends to be a lack of connection about obedience. (You'd probably have to know Me better as a Dominant on that one.)

I take the common law approach to this.

You're not my mistress/domina. We never went through the steps to start a BDSM relationship. I don't wear your collar around my neck. As such, I owe you NO obedience. You're just another poster on this forum. I responded the way I did because you asked me questions you wouldn't have asked had you read all my posts here; or made comments you wouldn't have made had you read all my posts.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:49:25 PM

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That is the difference between amatures like yourself and the professionals.
The ucmj is the "book" and punks who think barracks justice is how the military works do not understand the word discipline.
Discipline is the difference between a mob and professional warriors.
You obviously are part of the former which may be the reason for your singular lack of success in your current endeavor in the sandbox.

I was talking about a serious form of corrective training used to set people straight... like a senior NCO knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made.

Enlisted men striking officers is your idea of how the military is suppose to work.
This is why you are and always be an amature

This post proves two things:

you still cant spell
Its highly unlikely you were in VietNam

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:51:21 PM

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^ sings ^ Happy Days are Here Again ~~~

~~ la ~~ la here again

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 5:52:54 PM

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That is the difference between amatures like yourself and the professionals.
The ucmj is the "book" and punks who think barracks justice is how the military works do not understand the word discipline.
Discipline is the difference between a mob and professional warriors.
You obviously are part of the former which may be the reason for your singular lack of success in your current endeavor in the sandbox.

I was talking about a serious form of corrective training used to set people straight... like a senior NCO knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made.

Enlisted men striking officers is your idea of how the military is suppose to work.
This is why you are and always be an amature

Where, in that comment, or the parts that you left out so that you could make a strawman argument, did I insinuate that enlisted striking officers is how the military is supposed to work? You're coming across as if you expect the military to operate the way you expect it to operate... as if you don't expect the above to happen if the conditions are right. It's comments like this that make it very hard for me to believe that you're a veteran, or that you served in Vietnam. On the other side of the coin, it's comments like this that make me believe that if you did serve, you got your azz kicked a lot.

Based on your posts, you don't come across as having the military experience, or enough of it if you did serve, to determine if someone is an amateur or not.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 6:07:37 PM

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That is the difference between amatures like yourself and the professionals.
The ucmj is the "book" and punks who think barracks justice is how the military works do not understand the word discipline.
Discipline is the difference between a mob and professional warriors.
You obviously are part of the former which may be the reason for your singular lack of success in your current endeavor in the sandbox.

I was talking about a serious form of corrective training used to set people straight... like a senior NCO knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made.

Enlisted men striking officers is your idea of how the military is suppose to work.
This is why you are and always be an amature

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 6:10:36 PM

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REPEAT POINT

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That is the difference between amatures like yourself and the professionals.
The ucmj is the "book" and punks who think barracks justice is how the military works do not understand the word discipline.
Discipline is the difference between a mob and professional warriors.
You obviously are part of the former which may be the reason for your singular lack of success in your current endeavor in the sandbox.

I was talking about a serious form of corrective training used to set people straight... like a senior NCO knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made.

Enlisted men striking officers is your idea of how the military is suppose to work.
This is why you are and always be an amature
REPEAT POINT

Where, in that comment, or the parts that you left out so that you could make a strawman argument, did I insinuate that enlisted striking officers is how the military is supposed to work? You're coming across as if you expect the military to operate the way you expect it to operate... as if you don't expect the above to happen if the conditions are right. It's comments like this that make it very hard for me to believe that you're a veteran, or that you served in Vietnam. On the other side of the coin, it's comments like this that make me believe that if you did serve, you got your azz kicked a lot.

Based on your posts, you don't come across as having the military experience, or enough of it if you did serve, to determine if someone is an amateur or not.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 6:10:50 PM

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I was talking about a serious form of corrective training used to set people straight... like a senior NCO knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made.

Do you also believe in "fragging" or is just "knocking an officer on his ass" sufficient to teach him how to command?

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 6:13:59 PM

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I was talking about a serious form of corrective training used to set people straight... like a senior NCO knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made.

If it is ok for a senior nco to knock an officer on his ass is it ok for a private to knock an officer on his ass or to knock you on your ass?
Your concept of military discipline is typical of your sort of amature soldier

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 6:16:55 PM

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I was talking about a serious form of corrective training used to set people straight... like a senior NCO knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made.

Do you also believe in "fragging" or is just "knocking an officer on his ass" sufficient to teach him how to command?

To keep this in line with what I was talking about...

An officer sends his soldiers to another outpost, despite the convoy commander's suggestion that the officer email the information. On their way there, they get attacked and sustain casualties. Once there, they're told that the information that they provided could've been emailed. The convoy commander, upon RP, knocks that officer on his azz.

If you've deployed to Vietnam, this wouldn't be outside your paradigm.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 6:21:41 PM

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I was talking about a serious form of corrective training used to set people straight... like a senior NCO knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made.

If it is ok for a senior nco to knock an officer on his ass is it ok for a private to knock an officer on his ass or to knock you on your ass?
Your concept of military discipline is typical of your sort of amature soldier

Until you could answer the questions that I've asked you, you've got no legs to stand on when it comes to asking me questions.

Go back to the scenario that I gave you to get a look at what I'm talking about. My idea of military discipline, as well as setting certain people straight, is one that's been used in the military. That one example is one of many ways that we ENSURE that we WIN our fights. If you served like you claimed you did, you wouldn't be in strong disagreement. Quit trying to fool people about you serving in the military.

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RE: Back from Iraq for a short time, ready to answer yo... - 6/28/2010 6:22:49 PM

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I was talking about a serious form of corrective training used to set people straight... like a senior NCO knocking a LT on his ass for making a stupid decision that got people killed, or almost got them killed, a decision that common sense dictated he shouldn't have made.

Do you also believe in "fragging" or is just "knocking an officer on his ass" sufficient to teach him how to command?

To keep this in line with what I was talking about...

An officer sends his soldiers to another outpost, despite the convoy commander's suggestion that the officer email the information. On their way there, they get attacked and sustain casualties. Once there, they're told that the information that they provided could've been emailed. The convoy commander, upon RP, knocks that officer on his azz.

If you've deployed to Vietnam, this wouldn't be outside your paradigm.

So in your world enlisted men can smack officers around when they do not agree with their orders. You swore an oath to follow orders but then amatures like you can change their mind when it is convenient...is that why you have been sent home? Are you awaiting court martial for smacking an officer?
Your knowledge of how the military seems to have a few gaps in it?

(in reply to herfacechair)

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