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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 4:57:52 PM

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This thread has become a train wreck.

tho the stomp was funny. lol

Lol PaHunk.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 5:46:16 PM

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That`s correct politesub.

I wouldn`t say popeye is bigoted,but he donates money to bigoted groups.Like the "Minute Men".Or questioned someone`s character based on his (homo)sexuality,which is another form of bigoted behavior.

And rich is very careful not to be obvious about it.But will post and agree with a bigoted piece from somewhere else.Like the Robert Reich slander piece by foxnews.

But popeye`s and rich`s political party, participated in the most blatant racist dirty tricks.Then,pseudo moderates like rich repeat the bull shit,spreading it,poisoning the debate with it.

Then to top it off,neo-cons cry foul with the ~we can`t criticize the president without being called racist ~ bullshit line.Or claim that criticizing a bigoted church or religious beliefs or practices is in itself,bigotry against religion.Like rich has.Let`s not even get into their republican buddies with the Obama is an Arab,Communist,nazi,death camp,birther,water the tree of liberty threats of violence bullshit from popeye`s and rich`s and sanity`s and fatdomdaddies`and cuckies` party.

I`m sure popeye and rich don`t think they are bigoted.Who does? I`m sure they have black friends and do business with them,etc.Watched all the episodes of ~Roots~.All the token requirements for a white guy to thinks he`s not with the knuckle draggers.

But don`t buy their taking exception.

They know exactly what they are doing and how to type around the margines.

Nod nod,wink wink.

So here it is, huh, O59? Just slap that racist label down. I hope the new order will grant me the slack to tell you to go right ahead and shove it back up your ass.

This is all you have, isn't it? Tag me as racist and hope people are dumb enough to buy it. Take off your shades, dude. I want to see the fear in your eyes that it isn't going to work, and when it doesn't you'll have nothing else.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 5:53:08 PM

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And what is "wrong" with the Minutemen?
They're just,...."doing the job the U.S govt, "refuses" to do!"

There's a Catholic Order that Panda, Polite sub and Owner should join; "The Holy Sisters of the Perpetually Offended."

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 7:44:22 PM

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I suppose you are referring to some specific event where you can "prove" it's all astroturf, though, right? Whatever. Your willful ignorance serves my goals nicely.

Per your request:

From Wikipedia:
The Tea Party Patriots are a national organization that claims to have over 1000 local chapters, run with the help of Freedomworks, a conservative nonprofit led by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey.[53][54][55][56][57]

The Tea Party Express is a national bus tour run by Our Country Deserves Better PAC, a conservative Political Action Committee created by Sacramento-based GOP consulting firm Russo, Marsh, and Associates.[55][58][59][60]

But you have a point- middle aged women do make up much of the movement. They just don't run it.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 7:51:32 PM

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Popeye, the thing with humour is that it can hide a myriad of agendas. If you truly meant your "joke" about the "poor" in a humourous way, it didnt come across like it.

That's a favorite rhetorical device of bigots and racists; they attempt to hide behind humor, when in actuality they mean every word they say in exactly the way they say it.

"Hey, let's go make some Nigras sit in the back of the bus!"
"Awwww, I wuz only kiddin'..."

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 7:56:47 PM

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You know what they say, "Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked nor stands in the way of sinners nor sits in the seat of mockers." Psalm 1:1. Fucking Glenn-Beck-lookin' mockers.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 9:21:14 PM

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I am sure I am not the only one who read the OP that way. Especially if you know the history of community organisers in the US, which originated in the black community.

Maybe if you are thinking of "community organizers" in the strictly modern sense of, a salaried employer of an agency funded by some combination of federal/state/local gov't and corporate contributions, who exist in order to increase the size of those grants. Even then, it's false to make it a black thing.

Churches have been organizing communities for a really long time, Polite. Has anyone ever led a revolution without organizing the community? Unions? Anarchists, communists, socialists, or temperance? How about about women's suffrage?

Community organizing among the second population of North America started with the first boat.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 9:27:26 PM

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Your turn.

What, "turn," Rex? You posted exactly as my theory said you would. Go with it. It will probably work for Boxer.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 10:06:15 PM

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I am sure I am not the only one who read the OP that way. Especially if you know the history of community organisers in the US, which originated in the black community.

Maybe if you are thinking of "community organizers" in the strictly modern sense of, a salaried employer of an agency funded by some combination of federal/state/local gov't and corporate contributions, who exist in order to increase the size of those grants. Even then, it's false to make it a black thing.

Churches have been organizing communities for a really long time, Polite. Has anyone ever led a revolution without organizing the community? Unions? Anarchists, communists, socialists, or temperance? How about about women's suffrage?

Community organizing among the second population of North America started with the first boat.

Yup.

They are the "the 1000 points of light",.... the smart bush talked about.

So, why are conservatives so antithetical to them?

Or is it just the ones that kick republican ass, that you guys don`t like,like say ACORN ,....Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now,because they`re enfranchising so many of those "po" folk who aren`t lily white?

Instead of attacking and doing dirty tricks to kill them,you conservatives ought to join in the democratic process and start your own versions of ACORN.

Instead of trying to bar Americans from the process,your party should be do all it can to bring them in.Your party is even under a court supervised consent decree,barring things like voter challenge lists,illegal purging,etc.(remember Florida?)

And this...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/03/us/politics/03voting.html

is what we get from your party.

"Last November, the Republican Party went to court seeking to end the decree, arguing in part that a rise in voter fraud required the change. A voting expert for the Republicans, Tom Josefiak, argued in court that the political landscape had shifted, with African-Americans serving as president and attorney general.

With such officials in place, Mr. Josefiak had testified, he found it hard to believe that laws on the books regarding voter fraud, intimidation and suppression were not “going to be actively pursued by this Justice Department.”

Mr. Josefiak also testified that the chairman of the Republican National Committee and its chief administrative officer are African-American, and that the party had no incentive to intimidate minority voters."

Right,....the POTUS is black,......that means racism is over.....

Sure it is.....nod nod,wink wink.........rich.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 10:19:31 PM

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Gee. It's kinda like reading the transcript of the President taking quesions. Much blather, that goes on and on without ever addressing the point.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 10:39:28 PM

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So repeating a foxnews quip is your definition of addressing the point.

mmmm-k

I think the topic is community organizers and why you republicans have problems with them.

The folksy line about the Pilgrims was warm/fuzzy.I mean we`re allllllll community organizers,aren`t we....,he-he.

Like we`re allllll joe the plumber or alll Arizonans,like your sister Sarah said.....lol right rich?

When cons mock or attack a CO,a celebrity or any organization really,it`s because they are successful at beating republicans.

That`s the reason rich`s buddies tried to kill ACORN.It was b/c they registered the wrong voters,liberals,poor people,blacks,Latinos,and women.

All the demographics that traditionally vote democratic.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 10:54:13 PM

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Popeye, the thing with humour is that it can hide a myriad of agendas. If you truly meant your "joke" about the "poor" in a humourous way, it didnt come across like it.

That's a favorite rhetorical device of bigots and racists; they attempt to hide behind humor, when in actuality they mean every word they say in exactly the way they say it.

"Hey, let's go make some Nigras sit in the back of the bus!"
"Awwww, I wuz only kiddin'..."

Dubble, go back and read my posts, when did I say it was a "black" thing?
I didn't grow up in a black neighborhood! I grew up in a hardscrabble poor workingclass neighborhood.
That's why I'm perplexed by this "racist" "bigot" thing. The "community organizers" in my neighborhood were all Union guys and ww 2 vets.
As usual the "politically correct" goose-steppers are trying to read something in it that's not there!
It seems Polite sub must think that all black people live in "poor neighborhoods."
Hmm, who's the "racist?"

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 11:32:14 PM

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Pop,

When Obama 1st emerged,the GOP started a whisper campaign to destroy him,dehumanize him.

Is he or isn`t he an Arab? hhhhhmm,...People want to know...

"Where does he get his money from?" became a boiler plate talking point.And one of your questions.

And yet another constant one,..... was the questioning of his time as a "community organizer",like it was a pejorative or dirty word.

The foxheads and mc-gramps/palin down to every other media rightist was trying to besmirch and degrade the time Obama spent selflessly serving his community.Being a point of light,in that 1000 points of light.Some people really do do those things.

He could have just gone off to a law firm and become rich years and years before he did,but he took a job for a couple hundred a week and a car, to just help people get what they needed.Student loans,food/clothes/legal help,legal protection,counseling,better schools,better sevices,adult daycare,rides for the eldery,referrals,a job,a law passed/killed,a doctor,etc.

There`s nothing sinister about them.No one`s being brainwashed.The soviets aren`t funding them.

So Pop,it`s not you necessarily that seems racist when you ask these questions.It`s the guys to your right and left ,...who`ve been asking them,as well as saying some pretty ugly,racist things too that make you seem similar.

So when you spout those question and lines,folks will associate your questions and you with the republicans and their "southern strategy",which was blatantly racist.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/1/2010 11:46:08 PM

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Pop,

When Obama 1st emerged,the GOP started a whisper campaign to destroy him,dehumanize him.

Is he or isn`t he an Arab? hhhhhmm,...People want to know...

"Where does he get his money from?" became a boiler plate talking point.And one of your questions.

And yet another constant one,..... was the questioning of his time as a "community organizer",like it was a pejorative or dirty word.

The foxheads and mc-gramps/palin down to every other media rightist was trying to besmirch and degrade the time Obama spent selflessly serving his community.Being a point of light,in that 1000 points of light.Some people really do do those things.

He could have just gone off to a law firm and become rich years and years before he did,but he took a job for a couple hundred a week and a car, to just help people get what they needed.Student loans,food/clothes/legal help,legal protection,counseling,better schools,better sevices,adult daycare,rides for the eldery,referrals,a job,a law passed/killed,a doctor,etc.

There`s nothing sinister about them.No one`s being brainwashed.The soviets aren`t funding them.

So Pop,it`s not you necessarily that seems racist when you ask these questions.It`s the guys to your right and left ,...who`ve been asking them,as well as saying some pretty ugly,racist things too that make you seem similar.

So when you spout those question and lines,folks will associate your questions and you with the republicans and their "southern strategy",which was blatantly racist.

Owner, again, I was talking about "community organizers" not about President Obama!
You're reading something into it that's just not there!
Gee, thanks a lot for lumping me in with "the guys on my left and right."
Who are the groups that are funding the community organizers? You're talking about a LOT of money!
I'm not one of the bad guys, I just want to see my country run the right way.
Is "poor neighborhood" some kind of leftist "code" for "black?"

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/2/2010 12:09:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250Panda, so where's the "bigotry" in those statements?

Every single one of your condescending, disparaging remarks ridiculing poor people is a bigoted remark, and it doesn't matter how many "quotation marks" you put around them to show that it's "OK" because you're really only "joking." If you honestly don't see that, then you don't know any more about bigotry than you do about community organizers. And you obviously know almost nothing at all about them.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250Do we see "community organizers" in wealthy neighborhoods knocking on doors?

Yes, as a matter of fact. I have seen that many, many times.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250What if they knocked on John "French" Kerry's door, do you really think they'd get a check from HIM? ...
You don't get any money by knocking on doors in wealthy neighborhoods, unless you're lucky enough to run into one of the butlers or maids at the nearby market who feels sorry for you!

What are you talking about? I have never in my life seen a community organizer knock on a door and ask for a check. Where are you getting this crap? You don't know anything at all about what most community organizers in this country do, or how they do their jobs.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250Panda, and why do you think community organizers *always* go to "poor neighborhoods; because those people are *HOME!* A lot of them don't work, they're on some kind of "govt. assistance!" They haven't worked in DECADES! And they always go in the afternoons when they're just waking up!

Yep. No bigotry there. None at all. No truth, either, but hey - you're obviously having tons of fun with this, so don't let me rain on your parade.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250Go to a "poor neighborhood" and try to tell people your're going to take them to protest in Arizona in the hot sun all day but you're not going to pay them! They'd be throwing fortified wine bottles and stolen t.v.s at you!They're getting *paid* to sit on the front porch and drink a "40 oz" and you want to make them "w,...w,...w,..work,....for................ *nothing?*

None there, either. I don't know what I was thinking.

Panda, your second and third sentances directly contradict each other!

"Yes, as a matter of fact I have seen them many, many times!"

"I have never in my life seen a community organizer knock on a door and ask for a check!"

Well which is it?
Obviously you've never heard of "Massperg" They knocked on our door when I lived in Massachusetts many, many times but, we lived in a "poor neighborhood!"
There's got to be a "manual" somewhere! You lefties aren't capable of marching on your own.
You guys are starting to sound like *Communists.* Is there some type of "Manifesto" that you guys are reading that is putting ideas in your heads?

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/2/2010 12:47:01 AM

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Is "poor neighborhood" some kind of leftist "code" for "black?"

Nope,unfortunately, it`s the harshest of realities.

Someday, I`m going to start a thread asking why African Americans are still behind in so many areas and yet such a high % of them are in jail or on probation.

Another day tho and hopefully without the demagogerists spoiling the discussion.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/2/2010 12:50:37 AM

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Is "poor neighborhood" some kind of leftist "code" for "black?"

Nope,unfortunately, it`s the harshest of realities.

Someday, I`m going to start a thread asking why African Americans are still behind in so many areas and yet such a high % of them are in jail or on probation.

Another day tho and hopefully without the demagogerists spoiling the discussion.

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Owner, I have your answer; DRUGS!

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/2/2010 2:50:51 AM

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I am sure I am not the only one who read the OP that way. Especially if you know the history of community organisers in the US, which originated in the black community.

Maybe if you are thinking of "community organizers" in the strictly modern sense of, a salaried employer of an agency funded by some combination of federal/state/local gov't and corporate contributions, who exist in order to increase the size of those grants. Even then, it's false to make it a black thing.

Churches have been organizing communities for a really long time, Polite. Has anyone ever led a revolution without organizing the community? Unions? Anarchists, communists, socialists, or temperance? How about about women's suffrage?

Community organizing among the second population of North America started with the first boat.

Rich, the OP was about modern community organisers, as was my post. Hence my comments on bigotry and racism.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/2/2010 6:49:11 AM

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So repeating a foxnews quip is your definition of addressing the point.

I don't watch Fox News, O59, and I already knew that coming back with a flurry of off-topic bullshit was yours.

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RE: "Community Organizers." - 6/2/2010 7:12:35 AM

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Rich, the OP was about modern community organisers, as was my post. Hence my comments on bigotry and racism.

Even then, Polite, identity politics, and the organized chasing of handouts isn't going to automatically be a black thing.

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